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Devil May Cry
05-15-2002, 05:28 PM
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2865558,00.html

Oh man....that article about Microsoft
cutting the price of XBOX made me laugh.

If you havent read it, go do it now so you know what I'm
talking about.

Basically, its supposed to be Microsoft talking about
slashing the price.....but all they do in the article is
talk smack about Nintendo and Sony!

They had the nerve to call Nintendo "the little guy"!

Actually, they called Nintendo the "little guy", and Sony
the "middleweight guy"....and referred to themselves as the
"heavyweight"!!!!

Well, if thats the case, someone should tell the
heavyweight that they're losing the fight.

I mean, I like Xbox alot...its a great system, but
stupid statments like that are just retarted.


It seems like they're referring to themselves as being
superior to NINTENDO and SONY just because they're focusing
alot on online stuff......probably not the wisest move.

I think Microsoft are gonna find out that focusing on
online games isnt gonna get them anywhere.


They called Nintendo's online plan..."feeble", but it
actually may be the best out of all 3.

Then they go on to say something like, "well, Nintendo says
thier taking online seriously, but this is a joke"...or
some other rubbish like that.....when in fact....
NINTENDO HAS ALWAYS SAID ONLINE IS NOT THIER FOCUS!


This is like the 3rd time recently that I've read articles
with peole from Microsoft where they try to make it sound
like NINTENDO and Sony are inferior to them.

Yea....that must be why you guys tried to BUY
NINTENDO...because they are crap.

What will they say next week at E3....when everybody is at
Nintendo's both being blown away by Metroid:Prime, Mario,
Zelda, Star Fox, and whatnot?

ANYWAY, I just thought that statement from Microsoft was
the stupidest thing I've heard since, well, the last
statment they made.

Dar
05-15-2002, 05:33 PM
That's pretty funny.:D

Fixxer
05-15-2002, 05:33 PM
Seems to me ur the only stupid one here... They were talking about their online status. Nintendo is leaving it up to the developers = Lightweight. Sony just getting started = Middleweight. Xbox just about to launch = Heavyweight. Its just an analagy.

Msterrrr
05-15-2002, 05:34 PM
ohh may i be the first!!!

http://users.pandora.be/p0p0/youare.swf

VeNoMiZA
05-15-2002, 05:36 PM
It's a good competition im in a bad mood right now :( so if i say somthing fresh sorry.lol. which im not though.And remember to understand what you read it helps out alot.;p

shpankey
05-15-2002, 05:46 PM
Your mamma talks too much smack. ;)

Boomer
05-15-2002, 05:49 PM
Your mamma talks too much smack

lol good one

faceoff508
05-15-2002, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by shpankey
Your mamma talks too much smack. ;)

heheh

Devil May Cry
05-15-2002, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Fixxer
Seems to me ur the only stupid one here... They were talking about their online status. Nintendo is leaving it up to the developers = Lightweight. Sony just getting started = Middleweight. Xbox just about to launch = Heavyweight. Its just an analagy.

Ummmmm no you = teh st00pid n00b

They are talking about VALUE not online plans. They say how xbox is much more of a value than GC or PS2, then start ranting about how crappy the competition's online plan is.

Xbox sheep, loyal to the end.

Xaminor
05-15-2002, 05:58 PM
Sony did the same stuff with the PSO when it was the little guy and now Sony is slipping a little bit and MS plans on taking advantage of their weaknesses just as Sony did with Nintendo. BTW I bet you are one of those guys that use to hate the Xbox and now you like it? Am I right?

Fixxer
05-15-2002, 06:00 PM
You've got a lightweight, a middleweight, and a heavyweight in the ring right now--with the little guy being Nintendo. Their online announcement could not have been more feeble. It's a cop-out to just announce a component and a game. If you're taking online seriously, you need to enter with a little more force than that



I think Sony is obviously the middleweight. They've got more power than the little guy. They've announced some games (for online) but don't seem to have a clear direction yet


Value yes, but seems to me they are talking about online alot.

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Xbox sheep, loyal to the end

Your the biggest sheep here. I'm not taking time outta my day to go post **** on other consoles boards, your dedication is commendable
:p

dave_m123
05-15-2002, 06:22 PM
I can never understand why people who hate a system have so much time to go and post on forums related to that system. Makes no sense at all.

thunderkiss2k1
05-15-2002, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by Devil May Cry


Ummmmm no you = teh st00pid n00b

They are talking about VALUE not online plans. They say how xbox is much more of a value than GC or PS2, then start ranting about how crappy the competition's online plan is.

Xbox sheep, loyal to the end.

DevilMayCry, I think Microsoft is right on with their comments. The reason I say that is because Nintendo seems determined to keep gaming in the dark ages(ie , no online play). Yes, they have bowed a bit to the fact that gamers, as a result of experiencing it with Dreamcast, want online gaming, but everyone knows that if they had their way, we'd NEVER have it. Sony, your personal fave, has made , IMO, possibly the worst mistake possible by making their adaptor an addon. To me, this shows greed on the part of Sony. Microsoft knew that addons don't usually sell well, so they created their console with an adaptor standard. Peace.

l Maximus l
05-15-2002, 07:14 PM
I completely agree with the article. It's not ignorant, it's the bold face truth.

Microsoft was, indeed, referring to the on-line plans. Read the context, Devil May Cry. Read left to right, that always helps ;)

Microsoft had their on-line plan ready even before they put in the first screw in the XBox console. They have put together a very thorough plan delivering what will be true to what "next generation" gaming is all about. On-line is the future, and Microsoft saw that from inception.

Basically, Sony and Nintendo are following in XBox's footsteps. Nintendo is definately the light weight in that they are not going to put a lot of concentration with on-line gaming...I truly believe it will be to it's dispair. Metroid Prime? Bah! You can't compare that to Halo. :rolleyes:

Sony is defianetely the middleweight. They have much stronger plans for on-line gaming in comparison to Nintendo. But, it still falls far short of what Microsoft is doing. The fact that Sony has mentioned *some* games put them in a stronger status compared to Nintendo which hasn't even hinted towards some games.

One thing is for sure, Microsoft knows networking. It's going to be jaw dropping and probably take console gaming to the next level leaving Sony and, especially Nintendo, in perverbial dust.

I'm sorry, Devil May Cry, but, I had to laugh my ass off when you stated the list of Nintendo games that Microsoft will allegedly have to worry about...lol....

I doubt that Zelda, who appears to be in Pampers in this new version, will even come remotely close to Unreal Championship and a 32 man deathmatch!!

BWAHAHAHHAHAHHA!!!

Innotech
05-15-2002, 11:32 PM
too much arrogance is never a good thing. Online does not guarantee success.....especially not in this volatile market.

Kraft
05-15-2002, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Innotech
too much arrogance is never a good thing. Online does not guarantee success.....especially not in this volatile market.

It doesn't matter what you think, because I am way better than you are. And your mom. and your dog. Don't talk to me, you will detract from my awesomeness.

GokuX
05-16-2002, 12:08 AM
All the game companies at one time or another have talked smack about each other. So what's the big deal exactly?

Bakero
05-16-2002, 01:16 AM
:) :D :D :)

Yeah everyone talks smack, so I don’t really give a 5hit about that, it’s part of the fun.
Anyway concerning the guy being quoted, and in no way I’m referring to X-Box, so keep that in mind. He does sound like an arrogant little 81+(#, and he’s first sentence is total bull5hit.

“We want to make the Xbox more accessible to more people," Hufford said. "That's why we're dropping the price. $199 is the sweet spot for a lot of gamers. It's about making it more accessible to more people”

Give me a ****1n break. You droped the price of the X-Box to compete JACK not to be a nice @55 to the gamers. Honestly do you guys think Microsoft would have droped the price of the X-Box if they didn’t think Sony was Dropping the price of PlayStation2, HELL NO (if you think so go ahead and smack yourself). But it’s typical Company Rep talk, I honestly don’t expect him to say “we did it cause we knew Sony was Dropping PlayStation2’s price to 200 smackers, and know if we didn’t we will be in deep 5hit”. Haha more accessible my @55…

Reading the stuff this guy said, he does sound like he’s full of himself. But to all who has a problem with his statement, get over it. All this big companies like to talk smack non of them are saints. They will say anything that will sound like music to our ears and make them look good, “That's why we're dropping the price. $199 is the sweet spot for a lot of gamers. It's about making it more accessible to more people”. Just be a little cynical, don’t believe all the crap they feed you.

:cool: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :cool:

Hugh_Jass
05-16-2002, 08:32 AM
It's standard business practice to present the facts in your own favor.

The only reason Sony and Nintendo have ANY online plans is because MS has that magical little Ethernet port. Console gamers worldwide, regardless of their platform, should praise the XBOX for driving the industry forward.

dave_m123
05-16-2002, 09:26 AM
Errm wasent it sony who in a rush dropped there prices after finding out MS had been planning a drop for weeks?

Seems its sony who **** themselves here not MS.

And he is right the online options from sony and nintendo are pretty much a joke.

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 09:56 AM
i love $#!t talkin. . . anyone who plays me on XBC should know that:D

Devil May Cry your thoughtless comment made me laugh. . . read between the lines dude

first off. . .about MS calling themselfs the heavyweight. . . .online discussion or not no company spokes person will ever directly say that their biggest competitors have better ideas or plans then them. . .its just not the way business works.

think about MS saying this. . . "well we r quite confident in our service but our biggest competitors Sony has alot beeter plans and already has their stratagy in the works while we r just gettig started with our plan"

uhhh. . .no thats just not the way it works

second they r talking about online for all 3 consoles and in that aspect MS is the heavyweight. . . . i can just say that i could go home right now and accualy play a game online. . it might not be officially run my MS and it might have lagg or delay or whatever but hey i can still do it . . . .who has played GC or PS2 online yet. . . .



Originally posted by Gerard
Oh btw see this smiley :rolleyes: , it means you made a sarcastic comment, just so ya know u used it wrongly so in other words you weren't talkin smack about metroid, good for you.

acccualy if u could read this smiley :rolleyes: is called 'rolleyes'. . .as in Max is rolling his eyes back cauz Metroid would have to win game of the year to match up against Halo and i dont think thats gunna happen so for u my confused friend ill just gav ya a :confused: cauz thats what u r

Kraft
05-16-2002, 11:26 AM
Im glad we are argueing over what a smiley face means because that is really really really important :rolleyes:

Oh, and you can predict to some extent with some games, Gerard. Shaq-Fu 2 will never be a million copy seller, whereas halo 2 probably will. And metroid prime won't live up to halo's standards. Metroid Prime is not being hailed as a killer app, just a good fps. MS developed halo to sell xbox's, which it obviously did. Nintendo is developing MP to milk the metriod franchise and provide the GC with a decent FPS, which it will do. It doesn't have the fanfare and hype to achieve what halo achieve though, I am willing to put money on that. I am not saying its not going to be a great game and the quality of halo, but halo is one of those amazing oddities that just worked. Unfortunately for every oddity like that, there is another oddity that is a great game that isn't going to sell as well as it should.

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 11:27 AM
im not an Xbox fan boy. . .

im a Gerard fanboy your my Hero :rolleyes:

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by Gerard
Oh btw see this smiley :rolleyes: , it means you made a sarcastic comment, just so ya know u used it wrongly so in other words you weren't talkin smack about metroid, good for you. ;)

The rolleyes smiley, yes, does indicate sarcasm, but, it also indicates when something is pathetic: Like thinking that Metroid Prime is going to compare to Halo or even being a threat to the XBox. :rolleyes:

My curiosity is when Nintendo is goint to finish squeezing the milk out of the nipples of Mario, Zelda, and Metroid and actually think of a new concept. ;)

AlBoogy
05-16-2002, 01:00 PM
Hey DMC, youre an xbox sheep now? If I recall arent you the same one pre-launch that used to only post bad stuff about Microsoft? And you would only post when something negative happened. You used to be the biggest ps2 fanboy in here. What changed your mind??

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Gerard
And believe me sonny boy metroid will be comparable to halo judging from what ive seen so far graphically it looks better.

Guess u got a crystal ball that looks into the future too. . . .

Rowdie
05-16-2002, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by Devil May Cry
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2865558,00.html

Oh man....that article about Microsoft
cutting the price of XBOX made me laugh.

If you havent read it, go do it now so you know what I'm
talking about.

Basically, its supposed to be Microsoft talking about
slashing the price.....but all they do in the article is
talk smack about Nintendo and Sony!

They had the nerve to call Nintendo "the little guy"!

Actually, they called Nintendo the "little guy", and Sony
the "middleweight guy"....and referred to themselves as the
"heavyweight"!!!!

Well, if thats the case, someone should tell the
heavyweight that they're losing the fight.

I mean, I like Xbox alot...its a great system, but
stupid statments like that are just retarted.


It seems like they're referring to themselves as being
superior to NINTENDO and SONY just because they're focusing
alot on online stuff......probably not the wisest move.

I think Microsoft are gonna find out that focusing on
online games isnt gonna get them anywhere.


They called Nintendo's online plan..."feeble", but it
actually may be the best out of all 3.

Then they go on to say something like, "well, Nintendo says
thier taking online seriously, but this is a joke"...or
some other rubbish like that.....when in fact....
NINTENDO HAS ALWAYS SAID ONLINE IS NOT THIER FOCUS!


This is like the 3rd time recently that I've read articles
with peole from Microsoft where they try to make it sound
like NINTENDO and Sony are inferior to them.

Yea....that must be why you guys tried to BUY
NINTENDO...because they are crap.

What will they say next week at E3....when everybody is at
Nintendo's both being blown away by Metroid:Prime, Mario,
Zelda, Star Fox, and whatnot?

ANYWAY, I just thought that statement from Microsoft was
the stupidest thing I've heard since, well, the last
statment they made.

Dude, do you often find yourself stuggling on standarized reading comprehension skills tests? Judging by how you broke down and understood that single article I can't immagine you ever passing such a test. :cool:

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by Gerard

There has yet to be a bad mario or zelda game and you can add metroid into that equation as well so if the public wants these games theyre obviously gonna get them.


dude u ever play Zelda II or Mario Party. . . obviously not cauz they both sucked. . .but judging form your opinions here just put Samarus(Sp), Mario or Link into a game it automaticlaly become the best game ever. . . . and belive me i have nothing agaist Zelda its prob one of my fave games all time

btw graphics dont make a game. . . alot of games 'look' better then halo but that dont mean $#!t
and how can u just look at a games graphcis with out playing it you self and comapre it to the Game of the year 2001. . . . .

have u even played halo for more then 5 mins???



Originally posted by Gerard


Well at least nintendo have their own franchises and didn't buy out a company just to get a game that was hyped for the mac and pc.



Sony bought Suqare to keep FF exclusive.
MS bought Bungie to keep Halo exclusive.


a comapny buys another company it happend all the time for many diff reasons. . . . take a business class or somthing to learn about business polotics but then u might have to take one of them standardized tests Rowdie was talkin about n/m

Kraft
05-16-2002, 01:31 PM
LOL! He called maxi 'sonny boy'! heh. Hey Gerard, whats the difference between MS buying Bungie so they can produce a killer app for the XBox and Nintendo hiring Shigeru Miyamoto (sp?) to make killer apps for their system? None that I can see, its part of the game. And you ask what if MS didn't have halo? Well I am sure the MS machine would have found another developer to create a game as good as halo and it would have sold just as well. MS is good at stuff like that.

As for bad Mario games, Luigi's mansion was dumb as crap, I couldn't play it for more than a half hour before giving up and going back to the box. I thought mario 2 was retarded and I am really suprised they remade it for the GBA. Mario paint was a flop. Dr. Mario 64 didn't sell well, and neither did mario world 2. Other not great sellers include mario tennis, mario golf and the wario games after the first one.

And if anyone should have learned anything about video games by this point, its that great graphics don't necessarily mean a great game. Lots of games with crazy awesome graphics turn out to be bombs. Anyone remember Daikatana for the PC? Game was friggin beautiful and highly anticipated... until people actually played it.

As far as the box not being able to touch the nintendo franchise? Halo sold over a million. DOA3 has done the same. What nintendo franchise has done that? Mario? Zeldo? Metriod? Thats right... none of them have. No, thats not touching, thats more of a slap in the face.

Rowdie
05-16-2002, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Bakero

Yeah everyone talks smack, so I don’t really give a 5hit about that, it’s part of the fun.
Anyway concerning the guy being quoted, and in no way I’m referring to X-Box, so keep that in mind. He does sound like an arrogant little 81+(#, and he’s first sentence is total bull5hit.

“We want to make the Xbox more accessible to more people," Hufford said. "That's why we're dropping the price. $199 is the sweet spot for a lot of gamers. It's about making it more accessible to more people”

Give me a ****1n break. You droped the price of the X-Box to compete JACK not to be a nice @55 to the gamers.

He didn't say the price was dropped to be nice, he said it was dropped so it would be more accessible. He even repeats it twice for those with poor comprehension skills. Guess that wasn't enough.


Honestly do you guys think Microsoft would have droped the price of the X-Box if they didn’t think Sony was Dropping the price of PlayStation2, HELL NO (if you think so go ahead and smack yourself).

OK kids gather round. This is a perfect example of why you might NOT wan't to talk smack about chit you are clueless about. The facts of the matter are that MS was going to announce the price cut at e3 and when sony got wind , alont with every other gamer that cares about such things, Sony quickely moved to cut the price. Probably knowing that to the vasty majority of folks who wouldn't have any reason to know better it would look like MS was dropping its price to compete. It worked perfetly on this guy and he's buzzing around sites that if he would have read them would have put him striaght. Anyone think he should smack himself?


But it’s typical Company Rep talk, I honestly don’t expect him to say “we did it cause we knew Sony was Dropping PlayStation2’s price to 200 smackers, and know if we didn’t we will be in deep 5hit”. Haha more accessible my @55…

Dang man, nothing like talking out your azz then getting it all jammed right back up it.



Reading the stuff this guy said, he does sound like he’s full of himself. But to all who has a problem with his statement, get over it. All this big companies like to talk smack non of them are saints. They will say anything that will sound like music to our ears and make them look good, “That's why we're dropping the price. $199 is the sweet spot for a lot of gamers. It's about making it more accessible to more people”. Just be a little cynical, don’t believe all the crap they feed you.

Couldn't agree more on the being cynical take. Being informed is also good.

Can't really figure out where you get the full of himself take?? Full of MS' online plans though. :cool:

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Gerard


Well at least nintendo have their own franchises and didn't buy out a company just to get a game that was hyped for the mac and pc. I wonder how many xboxes would have sold without halo seeing as that was the number one selling game for it. Hmm food for thought. Probably half as many if even.

**cough** Square **Cough** **Cough** **Final Fantasy** **Cough** **Cough** *Max turns his head the other way*


And believe me sonny boy metroid will be comparable to halo judging from what ive seen so far graphically it looks better.

**cough** opinion **cough** **cough**

"sonny boy"..... :rolleyes:


See the difference is people associate nintendo with games like mario and zelda so they expect and want those games. All people associate microsoft with is dodgy operating systems and bloated software.

Now that I've cleared my throat... What do you mean by "bloaty software". Are you some sort of a nerd? Look, let's reason for a moment. Who are the kind of people that want to see more Mario, Luigi, and Zelda games? Kids? Most likely. What's next, Mario Meets Link? Steel Mario? Mario Football? boring.... :o [/B]



There has yet to be a bad mario or zelda game and you can add metroid into that equation as well so if the public wants these games theyre obviously gonna get them.

I find it hilarious how you treat your own opinions as if they are facts. :rolleyes: By the way, Dr. Mario was a sure fire hit! Zelda II really was the record breaker! Mario Tennis should have gone platinum! :o [/B]



A nintendo machine wouldn't be complete without the biggest platform game of all time and the xbox has NOTHING that can touch it.

Uh...oh yeah? Uh...well, I bet my...uh....daddy can beat up your daddy!!! :rolleyes:


Seems the xbox is lacking in a few key areas one of them being a flagship character for the console.

Flagship character? Does the XBox really need one? lol...well, I don't think it "needs" one, though, if they came out with one I wouldn't exactly mind. Nintendo really needs a NEW character, though :rolleyes:

Kraft
05-16-2002, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by Gerard

By mario games i am referring to the mario series of mario 1,2,3 mario world etc not the spin off games that had nothing to do with the actual series. And since when was luigi's mansion a mario game? Last time i checked it let you play as luigi not mario.


As for mario 64 think you;re very misinformed as to it not selling well. Mario 64 was the first true 3d game for a console as far as ive read the japanese went nuts for it and it sold a lot worldwide.


I said Dr. Mario 64. What you call as 'spin-off' but is still part of the mario franchise. If mcdonalds creates a new hamburger its not called a 'spin-off' of the original, its still a mcdonalds hamburger. and all the afformentioned are still mario games and still sucked.


Originally posted by Gerard
The difference is microsoft sat back and let the hype build up for the pc and mac versions of this game then swooped in pi$$ing off plenty of people world wide to make it exclusive for their xbox. Halo would have been a far better game on the pc and no-one can deny that because it would have proper online multiplayer, the xbox multi is good but nothing about it can compare to playing online with 30 odd people.

Shigeru miyamoto wasnt making a game for another company only to defect somewhere else so its a daft comparrison.

Why does it seem like you are hyping hype? I am a *huge* PC FPS supporter. I have all the quakes, all the unreals, all the tribes, all the half-lifes and keep track of whats coming out when. I keep up with the hype. And there really wasn't that much hype for halo coming out on the pc and mac. In fact, when I heard about the XBox picking up bungie I just straight shrugged it off. *points out to gerard that the mountain he just scaled was actually a molehill*

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 02:14 PM
*sigh* ok Greard u win man. . .everything u said is a fact and Xbox is going under . . . well im off to buy a GC now so i can play award winning titles like Luigis Mansion. . . .

i like the comment about the spin off games with mario dont count as mario games to try and cover that "no bad mario game" line ROFLMFAO good one

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Gerard
By mario games i am referring to the mario series of mario 1,2,3 mario world etc not the spin off games that had nothing to do with the actual series. And since when was luigi's mansion a mario game? Last time i checked it let you play as luigi not mario.


Oh man...I just about fell out of my chair laughing at the last two sentences! BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Kraft
05-16-2002, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Gerard


Lets see, zelda isn't a kids game and neither is mario, if you had ever played one (which you probably havn;t) you would know that they are far too challenging for the average 12 year old to complete

I beat the original 2 or 3 marios by the age of 12 and my 12 year old brother tore through mario 64 like a hot knife through butter. And zelda isn't a kids game? Did they decide to emphasize this by making it look like a gian cartoon? Dude, you must have been a pretty dumb 12 year old...


Originally posted by Gerard

Whats wrong with having a flagship character for a console? Its the name that they associate with that console you could say halo is associated with xbox seeing as pc and mac owners got fuked over by big bills cheque book.

Nothing is wrong with a flagship character, though ships should be switched out now and then, or the us navy would still be sailing old wooden sailboats. Master Chief is now a flagship character, and pc and mac people didn't get 'arsed out' of anything. There wasn't a lot of hype, and its coming to pc anyways with added bonuses. Don't be bitter just because you couldn't play it on your computer a year early.

Oh, and max can use the smiley faces however he likes. For some reason I can understand his sarcasm just fine.

by the way, gerard is cool:rolleyes:

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by Gerard
Lets see, zelda isn't a kids game and neither is mario, if you had ever played one (which you probably havn;t) you would know that they are far too challenging for the average 12 year old to complete. Mario 64 was hard enough as was mario world on the snes. less said about the zelda games the better, i never did complete ocarnia of time :/


first off my cousin is less then 12 and he beat both games Mario 64 and Zelda 64. . .

dude u r the biggest nintendo fanboy and u didnt even beat Ocarina of time??? even i beat that one bro

Mario not a kids game . . . . u should do stand up dude u prob got the whole fourm rolling on the floor with that one. . . .

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Gerard

Well done maximus i see you're still using the :rolleyes: smiley in the improper manner.

Thanks. :o


Lets see, zelda isn't a kids game and neither is mario, if you had ever played one (which you probably havn;t) you would know that they are far too challenging for the average 12 year old to complete. Mario 64 was hard enough as was mario world on the snes. less said about the zelda games the better, i never did complete ocarnia of time :/

I beat Ocarina of Time. That horse was sure swell. :rolleyes: By the way, don't let my 10-year-old nephew see what you said here considering he beat both of the games without any problem ;) [/B][/quote]


Ur daddy can beat my daddy, uhhu very relevant. *walks away whistling again.

Common sense will tell you that I was simply referring to how childish you are acting.


Whats wrong with having a flagship character for a console? Its the name that they associate with that console you could say halo is associated with xbox seeing as pc and mac owners got fuked over by big bills cheque book.

If you would kindly read what I stated once again. I have no problem about flagship characters that act similar to a system's logo, however, I did say that Nintendo really needs a new one. Mario is older than my grandfather's buck skin condom.

PROUDXBOXOWNER
05-16-2002, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Devil May Cry
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2865558,00.html

Oh man....that article about Microsoft
cutting the price of XBOX made me laugh.

If you havent read it, go do it now so you know what I'm
talking about.

Basically, its supposed to be Microsoft talking about
slashing the price.....but all they do in the article is
talk smack about Nintendo and Sony!

They had the nerve to call Nintendo "the little guy"!

Actually, they called Nintendo the "little guy", and Sony
the "middleweight guy"....and referred to themselves as the
"heavyweight"!!!!

Well, if thats the case, someone should tell the
heavyweight that they're losing the fight.

I mean, I like Xbox alot...its a great system, but
stupid statments like that are just retarted.


It seems like they're referring to themselves as being
superior to NINTENDO and SONY just because they're focusing
alot on online stuff......probably not the wisest move.

I think Microsoft are gonna find out that focusing on
online games isnt gonna get them anywhere.


They called Nintendo's online plan..."feeble", but it
actually may be the best out of all 3.

Then they go on to say something like, "well, Nintendo says
thier taking online seriously, but this is a joke"...or
some other rubbish like that.....when in fact....
NINTENDO HAS ALWAYS SAID ONLINE IS NOT THIER FOCUS!


This is like the 3rd time recently that I've read articles
with peole from Microsoft where they try to make it sound
like NINTENDO and Sony are inferior to them.

Yea....that must be why you guys tried to BUY
NINTENDO...because they are crap.

What will they say next week at E3....when everybody is at
Nintendo's both being blown away by Metroid:Prime, Mario,
Zelda, Star Fox, and whatnot?

ANYWAY, I just thought that statement from Microsoft was
the stupidest thing I've heard since, well, the last
statment they made.
microsoft said everything right since sony and nintendo officials are talking too much crap about us and u could kiss my a$$ if you dont like it.

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by KraftSLU

by the way, gerard is cool:rolleyes:

use the dam'n smiley right WTF is your problem dude:mad:

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Gerard



I was expecting a bs response like this. If i had've said its too hard for the average 2 year old some moron would have sad his 2 year old brother beat it etc etc bla bla bla. ;)

Were you using your magic crystal ball? ;)

Kraft
05-16-2002, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by Gerard



I was expecting a bs response like this. If i had've said its too hard for the average 2 year old some moron would have sad his 2 year old brother beat it etc etc bla bla bla. ;)

its nice to see this is the only thing you could come up with in response, saves me a lot of typing. Anyways, I played nintendo games including mario, metriod and zelda since I was 7, and they were never 'too hard' to beat. The fact that you cannot realize that they have been, are, and always will be kid franchises is quite laughable. And you are calling me the moron, double laughable.

Gerard just got a little cooler:rolleyes:

PROUDXBOXOWNER
05-16-2002, 02:31 PM
gerard two words for u:"go home!"

silvertrace
05-16-2002, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Gerard


No i just know the mentality of 90% of the morons of this forum. That mentality being : a bull$hit answer for every contingency.
;)


are those rubber sheets on that bed???

*silver informs fellow xba-ers that we got a bed wetter on our hands....... ;)

Kraft
05-16-2002, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by Gerard


So define a kids game for me then moron. Is a kids game any game that hasn't got blood guts and entrails flying out of it in every which way? This arguments as old as the game cube is for kids argument which was utter bs.


A kids game is any game that has a fat plumber in a brightly colored outfit that says "It'sa me! Mario!" and stomps on little mushroom guys with fangs. Or any game that looks like a giant cartoon. metriod is your only plausible arguement in that it is geared more towards teens. An adult game is one with a little ESRB rating that says M on the front of the box as far as im concerned. Otherwise it would either be a family game or a kids game.


Originally posted by Gerard


Resident evil disproved that litle bs theory. I suppose to keep people like youself happy you would like mario to tear off peoples heads and $hit down their throats? Wake up moron the game was never based around that kind of crap, mario games have always been designed so more or less any age can play and enjoy them.

Lol, you mean nintendo is going to appeal to a different audience by rehashing the same crap that has been produced 4 times already? No way! If you weren't telling me this I wouldn't believe it...:eek: Have fun with all the resident evil games I have already played.

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Gerard


So define a kids game for me then moron. Is a kids game any game that hasn't got blood guts and entrails flying out of it in every which way? This arguments as old as the game cube is for kids argument which was utter bs.

Any game that has a cartoonish appearance and has characters that yell "Yahooooo!" and dance as if they were kissed by a telebubby certainly qualifies as a kids game. Also, look at game ratings...I think that gives a good indication, too. Sports games aside, of course.


Resident evil disproved that litle bs theory. I suppose to keep people like youself happy you would like mario to tear off peoples heads and $hit down their throats?

Ah! The classic "Resident evil" arguement! My crystal ball worked!!! ;) Seriously, that is Nintendo's only defense. But, let me try to reason with the you, the unreasonable. The President of Nintendo of America flat out stated that their market is for males between the ages of 10-12. I couldn't agree more! ;)


Wake up moron the game was never based around that kind of crap, mario games have always been designed so more or less any age can play and enjoy them.

Of course anyone could play them! But, the vast majority of males in their young 20s to mid 40s don't find it as amusing as a kid does. Again, common sense.

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Gerard



They were never too hard to beat huh? So i suppose you completed mario world on the snes inside a day finding every one of the big coins over 96 levels? BULL$hit.

lol, dude...I guess a person must be an adult to find big coins ;)

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by Gerard

Is a kids game any game that hasn't got blood guts and entrails flying out of it in every which way?

*givas a standing ovation*

they'll show u what a kids game is here
link (http://www.esrb.com)

Snoopy7548
05-16-2002, 02:40 PM
wow, you must be soooo talented, being able to find all those coins. thats such an accomplishment!

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Gerard

Rehasing the same crap hmm? If i remember rightly pgr and msr are basically the same game with updated graphics and a "refined" kudos system. There hasn't been a mario game for nintendo's main consol since 1996 on the n64. 6 years ago, msr racer was about roughly a year or so before pgr.

Look, don't throw out PGR when we are talking about rehashing games. It's the first racer of it's kind.

As for Nintendo not bringing out another Mario game since 1996, you have to be joking. But, putting Mario Tennis, Golf, and the others aside for a moment, sure demonstrates how rapid Nintendo is for releasing new games. That's one of the main reasons I dropped Nintendo and won't look back.

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by Gerard




Oho aside from sports games. So its possible for a sports game to be geared for all ages but impossible for a platformer to be geared for all ages? Tel me when you've removed your foot from your mouth.



Find a link stating that about the 10-12 bs. Oh im sorry you thought that up.


:) :p :cool:

First, sonny boy ;) I was talking about game ratings. Sports games have an "Everyone" rating, therefore, I simply stated that sports games are the exception to figuring out how to distinguish a mature game and a kids game based on game ratings. How does your shoe taste? ;)

As for the 10-12 "bs", how about you try. You'll find it just by searching with Google. Have fun :)

Kraft
05-16-2002, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by Gerard


Sorry to inform you but the gamecube resident evil has over 70% of new content so you havn't played this version of it. ;)

Rehasing the same crap hmm? If i remember rightly pgr and msr are basically the same game with updated graphics and a "refined" kudos system. There hasn't been a mario game for nintendo's main consol since 1996 on the n64. 6 years ago, msr racer was about roughly a year or so before pgr.

Ahh, I forgot that you got to choose what games count as mario games and none of the mario parties, dr. mario 64 luigi's mansion or GBA mario games count! Oh, and one game following another is a sequel. 3+ is a franchise or dynasty. 30+ is ridiculous.

Happy 900th post to me :)

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by Gerard


Pgr=msr with better gfx and refinedkudos system. First racer of its kind? Naa more like rehash.



Wait wait wait now let me understand this, you complain about there being an abundance of mario games then you complain it takes nintendo too long to make them. That really makes sense right there. ;)

Well, I was giving you benefit of the doubt that you meant adventure-type Mario games. So, before you think you got me on something, just remember that. But, now I see that you're beyond having any hint of common sense you'll know that Dr. Mario, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf and a plethera of Mario games came out between 1996 and when the GameCube launched.

Is the wear and tear on my keyboard worth debating with you?

Snoopy7548
05-16-2002, 02:53 PM
it doesnt matter WHO made them. all that matters is its just ANOTHER mario game. even if capcom made the next mario game, it wouldnt mean jack sh*t, its still a mario game

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by Gerard


Afaik mario golf and tennis were made by 3rd party and not nintendo. Since i never owned any of them i can't be sure on it.

Dude, you are a riot! Who had the property rights to Mario? Nintendo right? What does it matter who makes the game as long as it's still Mario and can only be played on a Nintendo console? Dude, just admit it, you lack reasoning ability.

Kraft
05-16-2002, 02:58 PM
no, the last 'proper' mario game was super mario advance, released about a year ago. And whats with the whole mario on a computer statement? Trying to show us that its overplayed even more than we thought before?

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by Gerard


There was in fact a pc version of dr mario as scary as it sounds. Mario has appeared on the pc in various forms.

I never knew that. And, yes, it's freaky.

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Gerard


As i stated before "for the main console".

:(

Gerard, even if your argument had validity in that Nintendo hasn't made a new Mario game since 1996, which, of course, isn't valid since they made several Mario games in the interim, it still demonstrates that throughout many years, Nintendo hasn't thought of anything new other than an Italian Plumber.

Personally, I like variety in games. Not rehashed games that have characters that have been milked for all their worth. If you like Mario and the gang rehashes, I have no problem with that! Have fun! Drink a beer! None of us care!

PROUDXBOXOWNER
05-16-2002, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Gerard


Nah
nobody likes u or want u plz get the boarding pass and <big><b>GET THE HELL OUTTA XBA NOW</big></b>

Kraft
05-16-2002, 03:09 PM
just because I felt like it :) pictures that show certain games aren't geared primarily towards adults:

<img src=http://members.aol.com/DL5map/m.gif>
<img src=http://abacus.sj.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_71c212f6ec874005f52c4b45d5/i-1.JPG>
<img src=http://www.tbi.net/~max/zeltoon3.jpg>

by the way, I also ran across zelda, mario and pikachu lunchboxes and such... no master chief, DOA3 or any xbox games lunchboxes though :(

Kraft
05-16-2002, 03:18 PM
Oh, and a website created by someone without their head in their arse who actually realized the games cater to children:

http://www.tbi.net/~max/ztoonzel.htm

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 03:24 PM
can we get a list of proper and not proper mario games cauz im really not to clear on this. . . my impression was that if the game had the word "Mario" in the title it was a Mario game. . . . . maybe Mario being a charicter in the game or showing up in the title has nothing to do with it. . . .

hummm does this mean that games without 'Mario' in the title could be Mario games!!! maybe Halo is a Mario game and thats y it is so good!!! i think im on to something here

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by Gerard

And so what if the new zelda is cel shaded? jsrf if i recall rightly is cel shaded and enough people like that. To quote someone else in this thread "graphics don't matter, gameplay does".

I'm not a fan of JSRF...it's just not my cup of tea, so to speak. But, the last screenshots I saw about JSRF didn't exactly look like the main character needed to be burped and have a diaper changed.

For awhile there, I thought Zelda was turning into something special until the new version was announced for the GameCube. You have to admit, this definately bummed out a lot of Nintendo fans.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of cel-shaded games, but, that's just me. I'm very selective with them.

Kraft
05-16-2002, 03:45 PM
I posted those pics to show that they were geared towards kids, it had nothing to do with gameplay, ger. of course with your crystal ball, which is much better than our crystal balls, im sure you can tell its going to be a smash hit, huh? :rolleyes:

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Gerard


Proper mario games imo.


NES
Super mario bros
Supermario bros 2
Supermario bros 3

SNES
Super mario world

NU-64
Super Mario 64

GBA
super mario advance

GB
mario land
mario land 2
mario land 3



Not proper, wario land, 2 etc, dr mario, mario paint,etc. basically any game thats not in the style of the usual mario games.

maybe u missed the rest of my post but Halo is a Mario game:rolleyes: (can i use that there??)

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Gerard
I may buy zelda i dunno, personally im more into racing games and sports these days. :)

If I owned a Nintendo GameCube, I would be more into racing and sports, too, considering the options ;)

Kraft
05-16-2002, 03:56 PM
I have to say, this is definately one of the most entertaining threads I have posted in as of late :)

Monga
05-16-2002, 04:02 PM
Lets just say Mario, Zelda, Star Fox etc. do extremely well. What happens then? Correct me if im wrong, but were there any killer games or must haves after the slew of rehashes? I just don't see where nintendo's going, they seem to not really care bout online, so they are sticking with 1st party games...how many plumber games can one make? Just my opinion i guess...

DZNUTZ
05-16-2002, 04:04 PM
oppium u listed your "proper" mario game list...and left out MARIO CART and SUPER MARIO CART?!?!?!?! damn man..what u smoking...and can i have some?

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 04:04 PM
I admit, there is one game on the Gamecube that I believe blows out XBox's competition: NBA Courtside. That game puts NBA Live 2002, NBA2K2, and NBA Inside Drive to shame, I think. Though, I don't think it quite puts NBA2K2 to "shame" since that is a solid game as well, but, I do think that Courtside on the GameCube is a little better.

Too bad the GameCube controller sucks ass, though. In my opinion.

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by KraftSLU
I have to say, this is definately one of the most entertaining threads I have posted in as of late :)

ditto



Originally posted by DZNUTZ
oppium u listed your "proper" mario game list...and left out MARIO CART and SUPER MARIO CART?!?!?!?! damn man..what u smoking...and can i have some?

My bad brotha ill be sure to put Halo cart and super Halo cart on there too. . .but wait there not proper "halo" games. . .

and sorry u cant have some my stash is depleated

~ ~~#ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ>

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by Motoko S9


The comfort is GREAT.

But the fact is, the comfort doesn't match up with the buttons' feel and layout, unfortunatley. :(

The buttons are just.....so......so.....blechy. :( :D

I don't know if it's just me, but, I absolutely hate the GameCube controller. The feel of it in my hands is way too small. The D-pad has to be the smallest in history, too! The left joystick with the molded padding is pretty nice, though. Feels comfortable. I hate the button layout and I hate how the Z button (replaced the trigger on the N64) is just a button completely out of place on the top right. The triggers for it are okay, though...I noticed that they do mold to the fingers okay. But, what the hell is up with the yellow joystick? Damn, someone could poke their eye out with that thing! :eek:

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by Gerard

People make such a big deal out of "graphics dont matter gameplay is what counts" if and when it supports their side of the argument, someone earlier in the thread stated that in xbox favor now that whole philopophy is out the window when needed.


http://www.tbi.net/~max/zeldacube3.jpg



accually i think that looks F&%#ing amazing visually incredable and im sure that the game would have been up there with the other Zeldas with game play. . . its just too bad they couldn't make a whole game out of it



also one thing that nintendo does have that i kinda with the box went with is the directional pad that is shaped like a cross and not a circle. . NES's always had that i mean i dont use the D-pad much but when i do i like the cross alot better. . .other then that the conrtoller for the Cube blows i mean the @$$hole that set the buttons up really made a mess

MidniteArrow
05-16-2002, 05:14 PM
Well, I just read all 8 pages of this thread and let me just say: "Wow." I was first driven to thoughts of passionate debate on how the Xbox is technically superior to the other consoles and what exactly persons usually meant when they referred to Nintendo as a "kids" console family. Then I got to the smiley arguement. WTF are you guys thinking? You were actually spending valuable bits argueing over where you are "supposed" to use a certain smiley!

Like any of you have the right to tell me when and where and how I get to use a certain smiley.

:) :( :o :p :mad: :rolleyes: ;) :confused: ;) :D

That's secret code for "bite me" you non-english typing cool person want-to-bes. Hey, I've got an idea - learn to express yourselves properly and you won't need a smiley to inform your audience that you were just sarcastic. Then you'll be cool.

P.S.: I hope the readers of this thread realize that the above comments, while generalized in the plural, are targetted at one specific individual.

Snoopy7548
05-16-2002, 05:21 PM
uh huh:rolleyes:

l Maximus l
05-16-2002, 05:36 PM
I wonder if these faces are appropriate with these sentences...hmmm..:

1. SWEET!!!!!!!!!!! :(

2. Dude, that sucks.... :cool:

3. I have an awesome BEER BUZZ!!!! :o

4. I agree, dude!!!! :confused:

5. WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

Okay, I'll stop :D

OppiumNitrates
05-16-2002, 06:58 PM
huh huh maybe when we're cool we can be in Todd's gang huh huh

Yeah heh heh

Bakero
05-17-2002, 10:07 AM
:) :D :D :)


originally posted by some guy name Rowdie
He didn't say the price was dropped to be nice, he said it was dropped so it would be more accessible. He even repeats it twice for those with poor comprehension skills. Guess that wasn't enough.

Ok Jack @55 let’s go ahead and take a few steps back here so we won’t embarrass our selves (just you dude) any further, ay? I used the word “nice” as a metaphor. Let me explain for those with poor comprehension skills. He said “accessible”, meaning, we did it for the good of the customer, because we think the people deserves it blah blah blah. But of course people who has more sense would immediately understand that this is not at all the case, but the truth is they dropped the price to compete, not to make it accessible to their beloved customers (hence, substitute the word accessible with nice).


OK kids gather round. This is a perfect example of why you might NOT wan't to talk smack about chit you are clueless about. The facts of the matter are that MS was going to announce the price cut at e3 and when sony got wind , alont with every other gamer that cares about such things, Sony quickely moved to cut the price. Probably knowing that to the vasty majority of folks who wouldn't have any reason to know better it would look like MS was dropping its price to compete. It worked perfetly on this guy and he's buzzing around sites that if he would have read them would have put him striaght. Anyone think he should smack himself?

I and many other people who cares to checkout news about the video game industry once in a while, would care to differ. Many months ago, If you know what you are talking about, you would know that most analyst, news people, editors from video game sites/magazines, fans, blah blah blah…anticipated that Sony to announce a PlayStation2 price drop by spring or E3. I personally think that Microsoft acted in anticipation in the much talked about and sensible price drop of PlayStation2 for it has been out for a year and a half now, lets face it everyone’s been talking about it since last holiday and everyone’s best guess is Sony will do it during E3 season. So we could argue about who’s move it was to drop the price first and who made what to compete, but I’m sure we will just be going back and forth and not agree on anything. But the bottom line is both companies did what they did to compete not to be nice to you and me, OK?


Dang man, nothing like talking out your azz then getting it all jammed right back up it.

You can go ahead and think of a reply for that one for me. Perhaps you can talk your “azz” out and jam it right back up.


Couldn't agree more on the being cynical take. Being informed is also good.

Can't really figure out where you get the full of himself take?? Full of MS' online plans though.

Yeah, couldn’t agree more my self, being informed is truly a plus. I sure as hell am of the things I talk about.

Oooh by the way I do think that Microsoft dropped the X-Box price in anticipation of Sony’s plans to do so with the PlayStation2.

;) :eek: :eek: ;)

Kraft
05-17-2002, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by Bakero

Oooh by the way I do think that Microsoft dropped the X-Box price in anticipation of Sony’s plans to do so with the PlayStation2.


But Sony said not even a month ago that it has no reason to drop the prices of the PS2 when questioned about the xbox price drop rumors. Either they are a bunch of liars who are living off of market manipulation, or they had to drop the price because microsoft was about to undercut them with price.

Bakero
05-17-2002, 10:19 AM
:) Those Sony Ba5tard5 :D

Kraft
05-17-2002, 10:24 AM
Yeah, if a car dealer talked me into buying a crappy car just so he could make an extra buck when I could have had a better car for the same price... he is a ba5stard.

If a video company suckers someone into buying their sub-par system when they could have gotten a system that was a better deal for their money... they are ba5tards too.

Oh, this is based on the personal belief that the ps2 is surviving off of the name alone right now.

MidniteArrow
05-17-2002, 10:29 AM
One phrase describes our economy: Let the buyer beware. I hope you don't take this too harshly, but, if you get taken for a ride on a purchase it is your own fault. You should always do reasearch before purchasing a product so you are well informed.

Anyone who gets "taken for a ride" by the Sony hype machine deserves what they get.

Marc
05-17-2002, 10:33 AM
I must've missed this earlier, but let me throw in my 2 cents. The short version is as follows: I totally agree with the article. I saw nothing wrong with it. As far as controllers go, the original xbox controller was fine. The new S controller, in my mind, is far superior, especially the button placement. It is far better than the POS2's dual****. Either way, xbox reigns supreme.

Devil May Crap: Go play on your outdated POS2. Microsoft has every right to talk smack, because they are the best in the business. If you have so much spare time, why not start your own web site or at least post your lunacy on other message boards where the posters actually give a damn what you think.

Marc
05-17-2002, 10:47 AM
Damn, Gerrard, I just read that exchange between you and Maximus and he really gave you a verbal thrashing. He made you look stupid and you made yourself look stupider by seeming to not even realize it. You should really stay out of debates with people smarter than you. Stick to some Nintendo fanboy board or something...

Kraft
05-17-2002, 10:50 AM
Yeah, marc, because maximus was the only guy arguing with him :) Lol, oh well. that was a fun time yesterday either way

Bakero
05-17-2002, 10:52 AM
You know…compering cars and consoles doesn’t really make any sense. Well think about it. It’s not like…hmmm…per say you buy a Kia pride and your friend buys a Toyota Camry. It’s a given that the Camry is a better car, it looks better, it has more horse power, and the AC doesn’t die on you. Although the Kia can practically go anywhere and everywhere the Toyota Camry can. It’s not like the Toyota can go on the Ten Freeway and the Kia can’t. I guess what I’m trying to say is, unlike in cars, you cant travel the same roads in consoles. Only one can play Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy X, the other Rouge Leader, Super Smash Brothers Melee, and another Halo, Rallisport Challenge. If console where like cars all that would matter to know which is best is who has the most power and has more to offer for the money. So I guess that’s why there are a lot more people who prefers PlayStaion2 or Game Cube over X-Box. ;)

Bakero
05-17-2002, 10:59 AM
:) :p :p :)


Originally posted by MidniteArrow
One phrase describes our economy: Let the buyer beware. I hope you don't take this too harshly, but, if you get taken for a ride on a purchase it is your own fault. You should always do reasearch before purchasing a product so you are well informed.

Anyone who gets "taken for a ride" by the Sony hype machine deserves what they get.

I don’t know about other people, perhaps you have a crystal ball and can see through people’s living rooms. But I have a lot of fun with my PlayStation2 and it was well worth the $300 plus tax.

P.S. I also have an X-Box and I have fun with that as well.


:cool: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :cool:

Kraft
05-17-2002, 10:59 AM
But in my mercury sable I can get leather seats, a factory bose system v8 with a supercharger, traction control, electronic wheel torque distribution, and many other things you can't get with your ford taurus, which is practically the same car... and yeah, they can drive down the same highway, but mine can drive down it at a lot faster speeds than yours can if need be.

Ok, maybe not the best analogy, but they still shouldn't try to sell game systems to people based on "its got more games" because that means absolutely nothing. If you want to buy a system based on its game library, go buy an NES. There are over 4000 games for it.

MidniteArrow
05-17-2002, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by Marc
Devil May Crap: Go play on your outdated POS2. Microsoft has every right to talk smack, because they are the best in the business. If you have so much spare time, why not start your own web site or at least post your lunacy on other message boards where the posters actually give a damn what you think.

We should all "give a damn" what others think. It is illogical to give this advice. Your expectation is that "Devil May Cry" will read this information and take it to heart - thus "giving a damn" what you think. Stating that you do not "give a damn" what this person thinks will not manipulate their thoughts to a state where they will be receptive to your ideas or concerns.

Bakero
05-17-2002, 11:11 AM
:D :p :p :D

Who said anything about who has more games? The point was certain games are played by certain systems. It’s about persons and personal choice…I think…

:eek: :confused: :confused: :eek:

Kraft
05-17-2002, 11:15 AM
yeah, but thats not the arguement most people make with sony... well, pretty much because "playstation exclusive" is turning into an oxymoron. yeah, there are a few, but at the rate sony has been losing their exlusives... I don't think they are going to hold out much longer.

MidniteArrow
05-17-2002, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Bakero
:) :p :p :)



I don’t know about other people, perhaps you have a crystal ball and can see through people’s living rooms. But I have a lot of fun with my PlayStation2 and it was well worth the $300 plus tax.

P.S. I also have an X-Box and I have fun with that as well.


:cool: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :cool:

I didn't mean (and don't think I did) imply that everyone who has PS2 was "taken for a ride" by Sony. Just that if a person does feel that they were, it is their own fault - either as a result of a lack of proper research or a lack of knowing what their own needs were. Don't blame Sony. They are just in business to make money off of you. Don't expect any more out of the relationship than that (which is the exact same relationship we have with Microsoft).

wals9331
05-17-2002, 11:44 AM
I like reading these threads about making fun of people for buying certain systems. I have both a pos2 and a xbox. Guess which one i use more? The pos2 of course. All the sweet games are out for it right now. In a few months when all the sweet games come out for the xbox, I will start playing that too. Then after that when all the sweet games come out for the gamecube I will buy that too. Everyone wishes they have certain games for certain systems....thats why you need to buy them all :).

P.S. Man i am tempted to make a comment that i will be yelled at for....

Oh yeah...when is the xbox gonna get some more original games and not just old pos2 games that i beat 6 months ago?...oops i am gonna get yelled at for that :)

Kraft
05-17-2002, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by wals9331

Oh yeah...when is the xbox gonna get some more original games and not just old pos2 games that i beat 6 months ago?...oops i am gonna get yelled at for that :)

Why stick with PS2 when you can get all the same games (but revamped and better) and more on the XBox? Personally, since I've been out of the gaming loop for a while, because of college, I am going to opt for the xbox as it does have original games AND all the ps2 games, except they look and play better (for the most part). Im not knocking anyone that has a ps2, when you bought it I'm sure it was a good buy. But I do think that buying a ps2 now is a mistake and money is definately better spent on a box or a cube. Thats just my opinion though

Oh, and wals... if you love your ps2 so much why do you keep calling it a PoS2?

Bakero
05-17-2002, 11:55 AM
:) :D :D :)


yeah, but thats not the arguement most people make with sony... well, pretty much because "playstation exclusive" is turning into an oxymoron. yeah, there are a few, but at the rate sony has been losing their exlusives... I don't think they are going to hold out much longer.

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2865698,00.html

Well here’s a list of upcoming games to be seen or talked about at the E3 expo composed by Gamespot. You’ll find that PlayStation2 simply has more games being developed for it, meaning quite a bit are exclusives. At a quick glance I could say 3 to 2, PlayStation2 has more games being developed for it (if you like I could count all the games for a more accurate ratio, J/P). I wouldn’t say it’s a few, it’s safe to say PlayStation2 still has much more exclusives than the X-Box. But I’m sure some of those games will later be announced for the X-Box, maybe a third or half?

Looking at that list I could think of quite a bit of note worthy (not to say that it will be great games) exclusive games that probably won’t land on the X-Box. And as long as the PlayStation2 stay the industry leader I think it will always have a couple more exclusives than X-Box or the Game Cube.


I didn't mean (and don't think I did) imply that everyone who has PS2 was "taken for a ride" by Sony. Just that if a person does feel that they were, it is their own fault - either as a result of a lack of proper research or a lack of knowing what their own needs were. Don't blame Sony. They are just in business to make money off of you. Don't expect any more out of the relationship than that (which is the exact same relationship we have with Microsoft).

Fare enough. I’m glad that someone agrees with me that these company doesn’t exactly love us. Not to say that they are total devils, but come on, some of us take sides so personally that you would think there mother is Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo.

:cool: ;) ;) :cool:

wals9331
05-17-2002, 11:55 AM
Because thats what you guys call it. Plus I think its funny :)

Bakero
05-17-2002, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by KraftSLU

Oh, and wals... if you love your ps2 so much why do you keep calling it a PoS2?

Lolz :D I was wondering that myself. Give him a break though he's probably new to forums or sumtin. Wals PoS2 means - Piece of 5hit 2
:)

wals9331
05-17-2002, 12:06 PM
I know what it means. I just like to type in "xbox terms".

Why would i wait half a year to get a game that has, "slightly better graphics and 2 extra levels". Crap in 6 months another bunch of sweet games will be out and it will be considered old. I own Halo (F-ing sweet), Project gotham (kinda *** in my opinion), and spiderman (sweet). thats all my games because thats all i wanted (i actually just bought project gotham because i didnt want it to collect too much dust). Oh well back to work :)

Kraft
05-17-2002, 12:11 PM
good point bakero, they do have a lot of exclusive titles coming out. Honestly I think the box and the ps2 need to develope some poster children. Playstation *had* crash until it bled over into the box, and conversly the box *has for a little while* the master chief until that ports to PC. I don't know anymore, this is such a mindless debate. Even I have obviously been brainwashed as I probably wouldn't pick up a ps2 if it were only 100 bucks saying stuff like "jaggies" and "outdated" or possibly because I don't honestly have an extra 100 bucks...

Though in all honesty, after looking at that list I can say I am happy with my box purchase as there are a lot more box games that are coming out that appeal to me than on the cube or ps2. I am jealous that I wont be getting to play these though:

tenchu III
summoner II
Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure

j/k on the last one :) I guess I will have to visit my friend and play his ps2 to get my fill on those games. Though that will be a change since he is forever at my place playing halo, tony hawk 3 and nhl2002 with me...

Dre
05-17-2002, 12:12 PM
Just let it die guys... :)

l Maximus l
05-17-2002, 12:17 PM
Personally, I don't have the desire to buy a PoS2 or a LameCube and this is why:

XBox will have the majority of the major hits that are found on the PoS2, however, the XBox versions will contain "XBox Xtras" which include enhanced graphics, more levels, more weapons, more playable characters, and other applicable additions that deem fit. In my opinion, why buy a PoS2 (if you don't have one) when the XBox will have better versions of the same games? Now, I do realize that not all of the games are being made for the XBox, but, like a said before, the vast majority of the major hits are. And, not all people have played those games, including myself, so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to buy a PoS2 (I also think it's funny to call the PS2 a PoS2 :D)

As for the LameCube - I'm not 10 years old anymore. While I do have good memories with the NES, Super NES, and *some* with the N64, I can't justify purshasing a GameCube for the sake of having a few good games. Besides, in my opinion, the controller sucks the juice out of rocks! But, I will say that the GameCube is a great system for people in the 10-12 range and I will also say that there are some good exceptions like Resident Evil which I think is a great game. I've seen it and played it. But, it's not good enough to buy the GameCube just for that game, atleast for me...may be good for others, though.

Now that the price tag of all three systems is at $199.99, the best value for your buck is the XBox. It has more features than the GameCube and more power than both of the systems. Also, no need for add-ons like a hard-drive, ethernet for on-line capability and LAN gaming, and no need for one of those stupid multi-taps just to play a game with four players.

wals9331
05-17-2002, 12:26 PM
The gamecube definitely equals kiddy in my book also. I just like to play all the best games when they first come out. I cant tell if which games are going to be remade better....so i just get them when they first come out. Maybe sony should put a warning on the packages, "To be made better and introduced on the Xbox in the next couple months", to warn me not to buy it until then. Just a thought :)

Snoopy7548
05-17-2002, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Bakero
You know…compering cars and consoles doesn’t really make any sense. Well think about it. It’s not like…hmmm…per say you buy a Kia pride and your friend buys a Toyota Camry. It’s a given that the Camry is a better car, it looks better, it has more horse power, and the AC doesn’t die on you. Although the Kia can practically go anywhere and everywhere the Toyota Camry can. It’s not like the Toyota can go on the Ten Freeway and the Kia can’t.

but who would ever think about buying a kia? theyre such crap cars. a toyota is soooo much better. they last a really long time, unlike other cars. my dad has a toyota tacoma truck, he has 150,000 miles on it, and the only thing hes had to replace is the starter, and he still uses the truck to this day, and its still as good as new. he hasnt even had to replace the brake pads). just because the kia may be cheaper doesnt mean its the better car. it'll probly break down after 50,000 miles. lol, i have no idea why i just wrote all that, its totally irrevelant to the topic.:D

MidniteArrow
05-17-2002, 04:15 PM
The games look and perform better on the Xbox. That is a measurable fact. I don't care how many games come out for the Atari, I'd rather have an Xbox. We are soon getting to the point where the gaming market is saturated with games. There's just not enough time to play them all (not and have a life as well).

Having said that... a good HTPC kicks Xbox's ***.

Marc
05-18-2002, 02:13 AM
Midnite Arrow: I see your point, even though that guy has a nasty habit of popping up here and bashing Microsoft. IMHO, he's an idiot...
I also agree with what you just posted. I already have so many games for just the xbox that I can't possibly have a life and play them all. If I had other consoles there would be no way to fit time in to play all the games. I guess too many games is better than too few, though.

Bakero
05-18-2002, 09:52 AM
:)

Marc
05-18-2002, 12:22 PM
Hell no, dude, you're cool. I'm talking about Devil May Cry.

GRAVEDIGGER
05-22-2002, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by Motoko S9
:: comes back to thread after 2 days and realizes everyone is talking about cars..... ::

:: proceeds to slowly leave thread ::

:D

LoL. Mokoto

I couldnt even bother to flame this "devil may cry" guy, i dont have the time to waste. Besides you guys dug his way before i did. But then again he dug his own grave making statements like he did:rolleyes:
...Anyways...


Untill next time...:mad:

MidniteArrow
05-22-2002, 08:49 PM
Just when you think a thread is dead....

GRAVEDIGGER
05-22-2002, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by MidniteArrow
Just when you think a thread is dead....

:rolleyes: Hmm...Just when you think the *New* smart asses were done talkin. Who are you man?
I couldnt let this thread go and not give my opinion, this is the first time i saw this thread(havent been here for a lil while)..anyways...dont know why i'm explaining myself to you...hmm...


Untill next time...:mad:

JADE8704
05-22-2002, 09:19 PM
Posted by Gerard:

By mario games i am referring to the mario series of mario 1,2,3 mario world etc not the spin off games that had nothing to do with the actual series. And since when was luigi's mansion a mario game? Last time i checked it let you play as luigi not mario.

Umm...buddy, Luigi's full name is Luigi Mario if you knew anything about the Super MARIO BROTHERS....man...you're a gc fanboy and you didn't even know that? how sad....
:(

MidniteArrow
05-23-2002, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by GRAVEDIGGER


:rolleyes: Hmm...Just when you think the *New* smart asses were done talkin. Who are you man?
I couldnt let this thread go and not give my opinion, this is the first time i saw this thread(havent been here for a lil while)..anyways...dont know why i'm explaining myself to you...hmm...


Untill next time...:mad:

I am me. The comment was not intended as an attack on you GRAVEDIGGER (Not yelling - you spelled with all caps). I was just commenting on the thread. It's been around for a while, and just when you think the posting is through, it gets bumped as it was today.

On a side note, I hope I misinterpreted your statements. It almost seems as though you are saying I'm not entitled to my opinion just because you have more posts than me...

GRAVEDIGGER
05-23-2002, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by MidniteArrow


I am me. The comment was not intended as an attack on you GRAVEDIGGER (Not yelling - you spelled with all caps). I was just commenting on the thread. It's been around for a while, and just when you think the posting is through, it gets bumped as it was today.

On a side note, I hope I misinterpreted your statements. It almost seems as though you are saying I'm not entitled to my opinion just because you have more posts than me...

Hmm...Well i guess i did misinterperate your post, because i thought you were one of those new guys who just come in here to insult peoples opinions(we've had a few of those).

And i in no way was inferring your post count was low or that you're not entitled to your opinion because you're new, but what i was doing was defending my own right to comment on a thread that i wanted to, a thread that i saw for the first time(as Jade did right after me)......that you missunderstood...



All things aside, Welcome to XBA Forums


Untill next time...:mad:

MidniteArrow
05-23-2002, 03:37 PM
No, I'm not like that. I'm not saying that I don't insult persons opinions, but when I do, I always provide data to back it up (or at least make a good arguement why they are wrong).

I reserve sarcasm for light-hearted humor. Dethroning one who places themselves at a level higher than they actually should reside deserves real data, not grammatic trickery to imply their misconceptions.

P.S.: I love it when old threads get bumped - more so when they are threads like this that spark passionate debate. It adds a small level of passion to my dull work day.

GRAVEDIGGER
05-23-2002, 03:47 PM
LoL..i feel ya...the typical work day can be pretty boring.


Untill next time...:mad:

Shorezy
05-23-2002, 03:51 PM
THis is one of the most funny posts i've read! AHAHAHAH

MidniteArrow
05-23-2002, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by GRAVEDIGGER
LoL..i feel ya...the typical work day can be pretty boring.


Untill next time...:mad:

The boredom today is being magnified due to a copy of "Hunter: The Reckoning" sitting on my desk staring at me. It's amazing the voices can get through the shrinkwrap. They tell me to do things. Green things.

Must...
resist...
one...
more...
hour........

MidniteArrow
05-23-2002, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by halo_11
THis is one of the most funny posts i've read! AHAHAHAH

Which post and what's funny? Come on man! Share with the group!

melon
05-24-2002, 04:43 AM
i don't know, it could go either way, i think

Knight
05-24-2002, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by Devil May Cry


Ummmmm no you = teh st00pid n00b

They are talking about VALUE not online plans. They say how xbox is much more of a value than GC or PS2, then start ranting about how crappy the competition's online plan is.

Xbox sheep, loyal to the end.

Nintendo sheep, loyal & Dumb & Blind to the end!!

Knight
05-24-2002, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by Gerard


Resident evil disproved that litle bs theory.

One or 2 or 3 games does not disproved any thing!!

Knight
05-24-2002, 08:58 AM
I for one would ratter have a console without fat plumber as the flagship character!! The XBox's flagship characters are Master Chief and Blinx(Cats are more cool & loveabe then a fat plumber)!!

Hellraisr
05-24-2002, 09:11 AM
I don't understand why you would be suprised that a guy that works for MS would actually support his own company's products in an interview?

Especially when everyone knows the XBox has more horsepower than a PS2 or a gamecube. christ I think the GameCube has more power than a PS2 (it's processor was made by IBM, I hear)

XBOX Dude
05-24-2002, 09:25 AM
devil may cry just comes here to flame bait we should ignore his posts

Knight
05-24-2002, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by XBOX Dude
devil may cry just comes here to flame bait we should ignore his posts

He's going in my ignore list!!

l Maximus l
05-24-2002, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Jeremy-XBA
he will no longer be posting in ANY xbox forum here.. he will have to stay in the Gamecube forum now...
Ahhh the power I harness... ;)

I wouldn't call it abusing my power, I would call it selective orginization...

hehe....nice!

Knight
05-24-2002, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Jeremy-XBA
he will no longer be posting in ANY xbox forum here.. he will have to stay in the Gamecube forum now...
Ahhh the power I harness... ;)

I wouldn't call it abusing my power, I would call it selective orginization...

What if he comes back with a new name??

Kraft
05-24-2002, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Knight


What if he comes back with a new name??

Ahh, the blessed miracle of the IP ban!!! :D *notes that this thread, like his dead horse, should not be beaten anymore. There are plenty of other things in need of beating instead...*

MidniteArrow
05-24-2002, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by Jeremy-XBA
he will no longer be posting in ANY xbox forum here.. he will have to stay in the Gamecube forum now...
Ahhh the power I harness... ;)

I wouldn't call it abusing my power, I would call it selective orginization...

But if you kick him out, he won't lurn nuthin. Besides, some of us have nothing better to than textually bash those with his qualities!