*~xbox Live~*

[bbchs_trash]

All this talk of Microsoft's online plans is putting many of us asleep, including myself. It's not that we don't care, it's the fact that many of us are limited to a dial-up connection. It's not that we wouldn't pay for the broadband, it's the fact that it's not available to us. We realize that the launch of this service from Microsoft will be one of the largest felt announcements ever, but without the access to a broadband connection many of us will be limited to single-player lonely games while others will be enjoying the wake of online gaming as they shout to one of their friends, "Take cover, we have a bandit at 9 o'clock!". But why will this be the major announcement of E3 when it is going to exclude a major portion of the XBox fanbase. Couldn't Microsoft release another large announcement? Maybe their own Broadband service, haven't they realized the same issues that I have addressed. They need to get this service launched so everyone could take the opportunity of online gaming to its limits. I would willingly put up $60 dollars a month, for the online service, plus Microsofts own Broadband activity. Yet I realize this will not and could not happen any time soon, but it definately fills some of us with life that have no access to Broadband.

Any Feedback, to get another of posts to the top of the page?

[MixMasta]

broadband is avaliable in alot of places now. im sure if u dont hve it now, it willcome soon. its been spreading like crazy. ive had cable for 3 years, and i had isdn for 3 years before that!! just be patient, im sure broadband will come to u!

[RadRider]

60 dollars a month might pay for maintaing the broadband service, but it wouldn't pay fo setting up the service in the first place. Even if they started installing one now, it probably wouldn't be ready until spring next year, far after Xbox live goes up. Microsoft aren't responsible for giving everyone the abilitiy to use broadband. They're responsible for providing everyone who already has access; the ability to play games on that service. I know why you're complaining, but you're complaining to and/or about the wrong people.

Where are you from? In Albeta, only the smallest of the small little towns (I'm talking under 1000 people) don't have broadband. Everyone else is good to go. This is due to our government's determination to "wire" everyone in the province.

[jccip20]

Broadband is available everywhere nowadays, you just have to search for a provider a little harder. Al though i do worry about the online service because even broadband might not be enough for no lag time, T1,T3, and fiber optic networks may have to be implemented in order for flawless play against others with the xbox. Otherwise the Online service should be amazing and really really rediculous even if there is a monthly or yearly charge it will be all good because who doesn't want to play xbox online, however, there will not be as many players online if they charge for the service so microsoft don't make us pay because there are other services that work as well (:

[bbchs_trash]

Check again, Broadband is not available everywhere, trust me. Over 70% of the people in the school with an X-box don't have Broadband due to the fact that isn't available to them. I have talked to AT&T as others have. and with other providers, yet they are not able to get us hooked up due to being in certain areas of the town. A lot of times they won't set up around an area because they don't feel there are enough people that would buy it and it would be wasteful to set it up. If Broadband was available to me, I would have it by now, trust me.

[OppiumNitrates]

that sucks but its not anyones fault really . . . i mean who r u gunna blam the providers for not setting up in your area when, if they did they would prob lose money. . . and its deff not M$'s job to give people boradband

also about this price thing



Originally posted by jccip20
however, there will not be as many players online if they charge for the service so microsoft don't make us pay because there are other services that work as well (:

i mean com'n did u cancel your telephone service when u got the internet cauz u have a cheaper way to communicate with people??

*edit* also i play on the "other services that work as well " and im sick of kids with more excused then kills. . . ill pay for XBL just so these losers kids shut their mouthes and eat my lead

[stingu]

Broadband is really the ONLY way to play high intensity games with awesome graphics. You can't play the games on dial up. I guess if you could, the lag would be tremendous thereby taking the fun out of the game.

Be patient -- or move from the small town. LOL

[sinizuh]

Dial up is only for grannys on AOL that email their grandchildren... :P

[Shiz_96]

It is true that lots of areas do not carry broadband. The more people we can get online the better the experience and chances of keeping it will be.

Good news is that satelite companys are now offering satelite broadband internet too especially in these areas where DSL and Cable internet are not set up.

Don't give up just yet. Try some of these companies and let us know what happens. Good luck.

[JohnB]

IMO, as far as gaming goes, there are more people who use broadband out there now than dialup. Like 90% of the people who play Counterstrike have broadband, and that's a lot of people! If you don't have broadband by now, man I don't know what to tell you.

[LynxFX]

You can get DirectPC anywhere. So there you go, broadband no matter where you are. It isn't as fast as a hardline and I'm sure there are latency issues but technically you could get on. I believe you need a dialup modem to send though. :(

I've been using Cable for almost 4 years now and I'll never move to a place that doesn't have it. I've moved 3 times in the past 4 years and each time I moved I asked if the area had Cable. If they didn't I checked a different area.

[PROUDXBOXOWNER]

Originally posted by bbchs_trash
All this talk of Microsoft's online plans is putting many of us asleep, including myself. It's not that we don't care, it's the fact that many of us are limited to a dial-up connection. It's not that we wouldn't pay for the broadband, it's the fact that it's not available to us. We realize that the launch of this service from Microsoft will be one of the largest felt announcements ever, but without the access to a broadband connection many of us will be limited to single-player lonely games while others will be enjoying the wake of online gaming as they shout to one of their friends, "Take cover, we have a bandit at 9 o'clock!". But why will this be the major announcement of E3 when it is going to exclude a major portion of the XBox fanbase. Couldn't Microsoft release another large announcement? Maybe their own Broadband service, haven't they realized the same issues that I have addressed. They need to get this service launched so everyone could take the opportunity of online gaming to its limits. I would willingly put up $60 dollars a month, for the online service, plus Microsofts own Broadband activity. Yet I realize this will not and could not happen any time soon, but it definately fills some of us with life that have no access to Broadband.

Any Feedback, to get another of posts to the top of the page?
can u tell me your city state and zipcode

[jccip20]

[ ill pay for XBL just so these losers kids shut their mouthes and eat my lead]

So when you are using the voice command with XBL are the kids automatically going to stop complaining? I really don't get it my real point was just to say that microsoft should not charge us for XBL because for those of us who have paid 300 for the xbox i believe that is enough to cover the network and since microsoft is loaded(however I do take into account that they are loosing almost 200 dollars on each console) they should be able to give us a break on XBL with the fees.

[bbchs_trash]

You don't need my area code and stuff, broadband is in my town. I know people who have it, yet it's not available to some areas in the town. It's just some addresses that aren't available, or some areas. I have AT&T on alert so as soon as it is available they are going to tell me.

[Calve]

Originally posted by bbchs_trash
All this talk of Microsoft's online plans is putting many of us asleep, including myself. It's not that we don't care, it's the fact that many of us are limited to a dial-up connection. It's not that we wouldn't pay for the broadband, it's the fact that it's not available to us. We realize that the launch of this service from Microsoft will be one of the largest felt announcements ever, but without the access to a broadband connection many of us will be limited to single-player lonely games while others will be enjoying the wake of online gaming as they shout to one of their friends, "Take cover, we have a bandit at 9 o'clock!". But why will this be the major announcement of E3 when it is going to exclude a major portion of the XBox fanbase. Couldn't Microsoft release another large announcement? Maybe their own Broadband service, haven't they realized the same issues that I have addressed. They need to get this service launched so everyone could take the opportunity of online gaming to its limits. I would willingly put up $60 dollars a month, for the online service, plus Microsofts own Broadband activity. Yet I realize this will not and could not happen any time soon, but it definately fills some of us with life that have no access to Broadband.

Any Feedback, to get another of posts to the top of the page?

I feel ya man.... i dont have broadband and only 2 people that have xbox (that i know) have broadband.....

at E3 Xbox is good for everyone but it all revolves around online play!!!

Peace

[Xtopia]

Originally posted by sinizuh
Dial up is only for grannys on AOL that email their grandchildren... :P


LoL! I think this is the first time I have ever agreed with you on anythin. LoL

[Rowdie]

You know what's going to be great about Xbox Online? No f'n whiners crying about how they got such a raw deal and can't get BB.

[Shiz_96]

Originally posted by Rowdie
You know what's going to be great about Xbox Online? No f'n whiners crying about how they got such a raw deal and can't get BB.

If enough of those "whiners" don't get BB with us, who do you think you''ll be online with? We're gonna need tons of people with boxes and BB to keep supporting xbox if we want to keep it online when it comes.

[Eveileye]

Just for the record, not everyone has broadband available yet. In the northwest where I live, Montana, broadband is almost extinct, as with Idaho. Were I live we are not getting broadband until 2004, if we do indeed get it. So not all of us live in the big citys where broadband is availble.

[Rowdie]

Originally posted by Shiz_96


If enough of those "whiners" don't get BB with us, who do you think you''ll be online with? We're gonna need tons of people with boxes and BB to keep supporting xbox if we want to keep it online when it comes.

All the elite gamers. Adults who care enough about games to make sure they can get BB. No one else. It's frig'n gaming utopia.

[Marc]

I love BB, couldn't do without it.

[SIVEL]

Those who dont have BB dont fret it should come to you soon. Phone companies are working on a big cable extension tunnel across the globe as we speak. TO those who already have it and want to die in xbconnect or GS i'll catch you slippin one day or another.

Quick question though are we still going to have to play through a router or such in order to play xbox live? How will it work.

[OppiumNitrates]

Originally posted by jccip20


So when you are using the voice command with XBL are the kids automatically going to stop complaining? I really don't get it my real point was just to say that microsoft should not charge us for XBL because for those of us who have paid 300 for the xbox i believe that is enough to cover the network and since microsoft is loaded(however I do take into account that they are loosing almost 200 dollars on each console) they should be able to give us a break on XBL with the fees.

no they wont stop compaling but they cant rely on excuses like Lag especially when u kill them in thier own host . . .

but on the free XBL idea and MS can handle it . . . . your an idiot . . . . sure i would love XBL to be free but i would want it to last more then a month . . .

First off u paid $300 for a machine that cost $400 to make (now its 200 and they r makeing ones with cheaper parts) . . . . sorry is MS can fund all your gaming but i mean did u even read what u wrote?!?!?

"those of us who have paid 300 for the xbox i believe that is enough to cover the network and since microsoft is loaded(however I do take into account that they are loosing almost 200 dollars on each console) they should be able to give us a break on XBL with the fees"
so its MS's job to sell a consloe for cheaper then it cost them to make and then give u free unlimed access to something no other company has 'successfully' done yeah sure and they should send u a pay check too for giving them the idea to not charge people too right??

[MOrgE]

I support Microsoft's decision of not supporting dial-up networking for their Live network. If you think about it, mixing dial-up with broadband will cause nothing but problems.

i.e.) A person with ADSL fires a shot at a person with a 28.8 modem. The 28.8 modem doesn't react fast enough so the ADSL person has to wait.

It's not that Microsoft wants to leave out the dial-up generation, its just that they want their Live network to run as flawlessly as possible.

no dial-up = no lag = no slowdowns = great network

:) :)

[jccip20]

Im sorry opiumnitrates i don't feel like you calling me an idiot really solved anything but again the real point that I was making was that microsoft shouldn't be charging us a lot of money for xbl i am willing to pay a fee but remember this, almost everyones computer runs on windows which is manufactured by microsoft who makes billions in that industry so one way or another microsoft will make that money anyway, am i correct tell me if I am wrong but i do believe that microsoft makes about 100 to 200 dollars on each copy of windows they sell plus revenues from other services that they provide simply that is my point no need for ridicule or trivial fighting for no reason okay? good.

[MixMasta]

i want xbl. did u read the article on the main page??? god, i love e3

[SIVEL]

LAG FREEEEEEEEEE

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ON XBCONNECT SO IF YOU EVER SEE SIVEL HOSTING A GAME YOU KNOW IT'S GONNA BE LAG FREE, UNLESS YOU STUPID PEOPLE WITH HIGH PINGS GET PAST ME BUT ILL KICK YA BEFORE THAT HAPPENS!

$50 is not alot for a year subscription! Thats a sweet deal and you get the communicator and a free GAME! TO those who hate to have to pay the $50 charge or $4.50 a month you are truly complainers. Yeah maybe MICROSOFT can afford to do it free, but isnt our economy feeling heat dont people need jobs? Support America by paying the fee and creating new jobs for americans while your at it? It's gonna take alot of people to maintain these worldwide servers and 24/7 customer support right! Do the right thing and stop being cheap unless you really dont have the funds in that case spend alot of time at your friends house who has it!

:p

[TokenBoy232]

No way are you going to ridicule Jccipi20, OppiumNitrates. First of all, more than 75% of America IS connected to broadband and capable of signing up to XBL when it becomes available. As XBoxLive is intented to be lag free, it will be electronically impossible to provide low ping gaming utilizing dial-up connections. Because you, OppiumNitrates, feel like the sole recipitent of Microsoft's services, I can understand your frustration. Let's think of two possible scenarios:
A) XBL provides service for all internet connections.
Result: 75% of America is dissatisfied with their XBL service due to lag and inadequate entertainment. XBL soon loses popularity, and MS's online strategy is crushed.
B) 25% of America cannot use XBL. The majority is pleased with their performance and continues to dish out the money in support of MS's new console. Eventually, the 25% begins to fade away until dial-up is no longer used, and everyone has access. While this may take some waiting, it will most likely allow XBL to become a success.
OppiumNitrates, as console gaming was originally a single player experience, I'm sure you won't have trouble getting your money's worth on you Xbox whether or not you can subscribe to XBL.

[SeTH]

OK OK OK bbchs_trash you are totally in the same situation as me except that I once was like you and thought there was no hope for me what so ever on getting broadband in my area as you can see by the map at the bottom of this thread

But was like you calling AT&T and everbody else except 1. And when I truely got to asking around and searching I found a little company in my city called MicroInet and if I was willing to get 10 people signed up in a 1 mile radius they will setup Wireless T-1 in my area and the cool thing is that since they will setup the tower at my house there is no setup fee and I only pay $16 a month for service all because I went to the trouble to get broaband in my area!!!! I am still working on getting 10 people I need 6 more but I getting there!! Don't give up man!!!! I have wanted broadband since I was 13 and now I am 17!!!! If life throws obstacles at you to stop you from getting where you need to go then jump over it and don't look back!!!!! My advice is to look for Internet companies in your area and go and visit them and ask them what they can do to get you broadband, that is what I did, I just asked one of our school student technitions that I know and if he knew anybody that offered wireless broadband and just by chance he replied with: "My boss offers it" nad so i stoped in after school and talked with his boss and here I am now..


http://www.geocities.com/xbxtoday/SeTHmap

[bbchs_trash]

Instead of waiting for AT&T to give me the alert when it's ready, I went ahead and called them.If you signed up and are on the waiting list for broadband on the online site, I reccomend calling them up because I called and guess what, it was available. SO now I have my broadband coming the third of June, X-box online here I come!

[TokenBoy232]

Anyway, OpiumNitrates, back to what you and Jccip20 were arguing about. Microsoft is paying 270 per console. Within two software purchases, an individual has repaid MS's debt from his/her console. Jccip20 was simply saying that it may be out of the range for some people to continue throwing money into Xbox. At this rate, someone without the materials to play would have to spend 350 dollars to get online (200 for Xbox, 50 for service, 50 for game, 50 for controller). Microsoft is not on the losing side of the bargain, if they were they never would have considered proposing the price drop.
On a personal level, Jccip20 simply stated his opinion towards a topic. You, in turn, criticized his idea and insulted his intelligence. It's funny that someone trying to prove their point does so by prohibiting the beliefs of others. The term fascism comes directly to mind. No one would have ever learned anything new with an ignorant mind, so don't try and denounce the opinions of anyone. I, for one, disagree with you, OpiumNitrates. I have facts to back up my disagreement and I control myself from using derogatory terms toward someone due to their beliefs. I guess that seperates the mature from the ridiculous on this forum.

[SIVEL]

DOES ANYONE HAVE A CLUE AS TO HOW THIS WILL GO ONLINE WITHOUT BUYING AN EXTENSION FOR YOUR XBOX? AM I SUPPOSED TO JUST PLUG IN AN ETHERNET CORD FROM MY CABLE MODEM AND THIS THING MAGICALLY WORKS? OR WILL IT HAVE TO BE A BRIDGE LIKE HOW XBCONNECT IS RUNNING NOW? WILL PEOPLE HAVE TO BUY A ROUTER FOR THIS OR WHAT WHO HOW ? DOES ANYONE KNOW? :confused: :( :confused: :eek:

[Rowdie]

Originally posted by SIVEL
DOES ANYONE HAVE A CLUE AS TO HOW THIS WILL GO ONLINE WITHOUT BUYING AN EXTENSION FOR YOUR XBOX? AM I SUPPOSED TO JUST PLUG IN AN ETHERNET CORD FROM MY CABLE MODEM AND THIS THING MAGICALLY WORKS? OR WILL IT HAVE TO BE A BRIDGE LIKE HOW XBCONNECT IS RUNNING NOW? WILL PEOPLE HAVE TO BUY A ROUTER FOR THIS OR WHAT WHO HOW ? DOES ANYONE KNOW? :confused: :( :confused: :eek:

Basically that is correct. Just get a patch cable, if they don't include one with the xbox live kit, and plug that sucker in to your cable modem or if you have a newer home into one of the multiple ethernet ports though out your house. Oh and here's the tough part, go buy the xbox live kit plug the head set into the controler and put the disc into the xbox. Follow simple on screen instuctions. Depending on your level of disorganization the whole process should take anywhere from five minutes to two days.

[Shiz_96]

Anyone else get the xbox.com email?
It has all this stuff about xbox live and how we can sign up for a live test version of it. I tried to click on the link to sign up but it doesn't seem to work.

[SIVEL]

I signed up for it are you registered with xbox.com?
I receieved a confirmation that I would be put into the drawing.

[Shiz_96]

I went to the site and signed up just now. Hope I get picked, that 's gonna be too cool to imagine. They're making me want this xbox live really, really bad now.

[jccip20]

Anyone know when they are going to draw the people who will be in the live beta program? I signed up but i wonder how soon this will be if anyone knows that would be of great help, thanks.

[stingu]

Originally posted by jccip20
Anyone know when they are going to draw the people who will be in the live beta program? I signed up but i wonder how soon this will be if anyone knows that would be of great help, thanks.

I read one article where it says it starts next week. I'm trying to find the article now!!

[Shiz_96]

They said it in the xbox press video of E3.

[Yannie Boy]

What is the most cheapest broadband connection service my friend is asking. I have verizon dsl.

[SIVEL]

I have the platinum plan 2 cable boxes, 2 phone lines cable modem for $140 every 2 months? I guess its not really cheap but it's cheap for what I see my friends paying 110 a month for AT&T Broadband with 1 box and 1 phoneline and cable modem.

[Casper]

I have RoadRunner for $39 / month with a cable modem and get some killer speeds. Don't know where it's availible, but I figured I'd drop this in as an option.

[OppiumNitrates]

Originally posted by jccip20
the real point that I was making was that microsoft shouldn't be charging us a lot of money for xbl i am willing to pay a fee but remember this, almost everyones computer runs on windows which is manufactured by microsoft who makes billions in that industry so one way or another microsoft will make that money anyway, am i correct tell me if I am wrong but i do believe that microsoft makes about 100 to 200 dollars on each copy of windows they sell plus revenues from other services that they provide simply that is my point no need for ridicule or trivial fighting for no reason okay? good.

LoL OMFG . . . so MS makes 200 to 300 per copy of windows(an Operating system that u DONT HAVE TO BUY!!! get an apple) so its cool for them to spend all that profit so u can play games for free . . .good idea . . .

1 yr of service
a voice communicator
and a game
all for $50 and i quote "microsoft shouldn't be charging us a lot of money for xbl" . . . dude i thats too much y did u even buy Xbox then



as for

Originally posted by TokenBoy232
Anyway, OpiumNitrates, back to what you and Jccip20 were arguing about. Microsoft is paying 270 per console. Within two software purchases, an individual has repaid MS's debt from his/her console. Jccip20 was simply saying that it may be out of the range for some people to continue throwing money into Xbox. At this rate, someone without the materials to play would have to spend 350 dollars to get online (200 for Xbox, 50 for service, 50 for game, 50 for controller). Microsoft is not on the losing side of the bargain, if they were they never would have considered proposing the price drop.
On a personal level, Jccip20 simply stated his opinion towards a topic. You, in turn, criticized his idea and insulted his intelligence. It's funny that someone trying to prove their point does so by prohibiting the beliefs of others. The term fascism comes directly to mind. No one would have ever learned anything new with an ignorant mind, so don't try and denounce the opinions of anyone. I, for one, disagree with you, OpiumNitrates. I have facts to back up my disagreement and I control myself from using derogatory terms toward someone due to their beliefs. I guess that seperates the mature from the ridiculous on this forum.

where did u hear that they pay 270 . . . maybe for the new ones with cheaper
parts . . .
well i did criticized his idea and insulte him but com'n dude when u say things like


Originally posted by jccip20
I really don't get it my real point was just to say that microsoft should not charge us for XBL because for those of us who have paid 300 for the xbox i believe that is enough to cover the network and since microsoft is loaded

your asking for it . . . and to top it all off he complains that he has Windows when theres plenty of altetnative


hey i got an idea . . . Sony shouldn't even charge people for PS2 games, i mean they make so much money on other electronics like TVs, VCRs, DVDs, they make movies too. . . . i mean who dosnet have at least 1 peice of sony equipment in thier house since they have all that extra maney they should be giving games away

[jccip20]

Well opiumnitrates i guess you are just a little baby because you can't allow people to express there own opinion towards things, also do you have a life or do you just sit around all day and make stupid remarks about things that people say and just anger them, obviously i have people who support my view and you are just being an idiot so why don't you stop defending microsoft and go play with your crappy mac.

[OppiumNitrates]

i let people express thier views on the subject, but dude just cauz the company makes $$$ on a 'product A' they should gave a totaly different product away cauz the profit from the 'product A' will cover the cost. . . . i hope u dont own or run a business in your life time . . .

u said ur self that almost all comps run on windows well if u dont like that fact then y dont u be one of he people who dont use windows and then u wont have to complain about it anymore . . . . besides im not defending Microsoft im looking at Xbox Live from a business perspective not a gamer . . .

i only use a Mac at work . . . u r the one compalin about windows not me . . .



Anyone know when they are going to draw the people who will be in the live beta program? I signed up but i wonder how soon this will be if anyone knows that would be of great help, thanks.


they pick people based on the user profiles on xbox.com and they will send out the letters to people they select in July . . . if u get picked u will have to send a confermation letter accepting some agreement about the testing program

[stingu]

Originally posted by OppiumNitrates
i let people express thier views on the subject, but dude just cauz the company makes $$$ on a 'product A' they should gave a totaly different product away cauz the profit from the 'product A' will cover the cost. . . . i hope u dont own or run a business in your life time . . .

u said ur self that almost all comps run on windows well if u dont like that fact then y dont u be one of he people who dont use windows and then u wont have to complain about it anymore . . . . besides im not defending Microsoft im looking at Xbox Live from a business perspective not a gamer . . .

i only use a Mac at work . . . u r the one compalin about windows not me . . .



they pick people based on the user profiles on xbox.com and they will send out the letters to people they select in July . . . if u get picked u will have to send a confermation letter accepting some agreement about the testing program


I must say I agree with OppiumNitrates -- why should XBox Live be Free. XBox, like Sony, is a business and a business, unless it's charitable, is out to make a profit. Now, the smart business move by Microsoft is to keep the price low enough where they will still make a profit and where the price will still attract a lot of people. I think they have succeeded so far on this point. The $49.00 fee for first year is a STEAL! After that if it's only $9.99 per month it still is a steal and if you can't afford $9.99 per month than how the heck did you buy the XBox in the first place and how could you even afford the games.

By the way Oppium, where did you get info they will be sending "letters" (I heard e-mails)? And where did you hear that they will do this in July?

[OppiumNitrates]

stingu when i say letters i ment E-mail (like MS would pay for all that postage) and i read it on xbox.com somewhere in the fourms so i dont really know if its true but the guy ho posted it wasnt some A-hole Troll, but u still dont know . . . . .i guess we'll find out when poeple start bragging about being picked . . .but july is 'Officially" when summer starts . . .