GTA3 for Xbox is CANCELLED!!

[Piccolo_DBz]

Grand Theft Auto 3 and all future titles in the GTA franchise will be exclusive to PlayStation 2 until October 2004, SCEA announced today at its E3 press conference. The hugely popular "thug simulator," developed by DMA Design for Rockstar Games, was the best-selling game title across all platforms last year, and earned IGN's PS2 Game of the Year award amid dozens of other accolades. This announcement means it's curtains for the planned Xbox version of GTA3, which was to be released later this year.

F*ck Rockstar and F*ck You Sony! There still not getting my money. A**holes and I hope your online plan will crash and burn like whats happening to Square :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[LynxFX]

Good thing it is on the PC with better graphics.

[ryan123]

That really sucks.:mad: Now if I want to play it I gotta get a PS2 or get it for computer. The only problem is my computer sucks and I don't want to buy another system. Damn you Rockstar.:mad:Why couldn't you just make it for xbox?

[l Maximus l]

Out with the old, in with the new. GTA3 is so overhyped it's amazing..especially considering that it looks horrible on the PoS2...the PC version looks so much better.

With the XBox, I want games that use the system's power...GTA3, if it was ported to the XBox, wouldn't come close to using the XBox's capabilities.

Personally, I'm far more hyped for Brute Force, Unreal Championship, Ninja Gaiden, the next Halo, Project Ego, and several others that were found on the E3 video on XBox.com :)

[RadRider]

It's not cancelled, it just won't come out until 2004 at the earliest. I just think it's funny when they say they're trying to reach the broodest audience possible, and that buy making it exclusive to one gaming console, they can achieve that goal. It makes no sense.

[Xbox Owner]

Let's just start writing letters to MicroSoft everyday, bit*hing! If we send enough, MicroSoft is likely to just go out and say the hell with this, and buy Sony...hehe:)

[ShannonX]

Originally posted by Maximus
Out with the old, in with the new. GTA3 is so overhyped it's amazing..especially considering that it looks horrible on the PoS2...the PC version looks so much better.

With the XBox, I want games that use the system's power...GTA3, if it was ported to the XBox, wouldn't come close to using the XBox's capabilities.

Personally, I'm far more hyped for Brute Force, Unreal Championship, Ninja Gaiden, the next Halo, Project Ego, and several others that were found on the E3 video on XBox.com :)

i totally agree with you maximus.

[OEM Alien]

Originally posted by Piccolo_DBz
Grand Theft Auto 3 and all future titles in the GTA franchise will be exclusive to PlayStation 2 until October 2004, SCEA announced today at its E3 press conference. The hugely popular "thug simulator," developed by DMA Design for Rockstar Games, was the best-selling game title across all platforms last year, and earned IGN's PS2 Game of the Year award amid dozens of other accolades. This announcement means it's curtains for the planned Xbox version of GTA3, which was to be released later this year.

F*ck Rockstar and F*ck You Sony! There still not getting my money. A**holes and I hope your online plan will crash and burn like whats happening to Square :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: BUMMER! looks like i'll have to play it on my pc. to bad it will be better than the ps2 version. hehehehehehe :D

[tdubwhit]

oh well xbox will be fine without grand theft auto, xbox has so much stuff coming out that nobody will care about gta3 by then no wories!

[Marc]

I agree...fuk rockstar AND Sony. All these third party developers like rockstar and EA have their nose buried in Sony's ass. Whatever...

[Dre]

How can they cancel something that they never said was going to happen... *xfiles theme starts up once again*

hehehe.. with all the amazing games coming out for xbox, do we really care anymore?

[E-Xbox]

Originally posted by Maximus
Out with the old, in with the new. GTA3 is so overhyped it's amazing..especially considering that it looks horrible on the PoS2...the PC version looks so much better.

With the XBox, I want games that use the system's power...GTA3, if it was ported to the XBox, wouldn't come close to using the XBox's capabilities.

Personally, I'm far more hyped for Brute Force, Unreal Championship, Ninja Gaiden, the next Halo, Project Ego, and several others that were found on the E3 video on XBox.com :)
i agree man...
so one bad thing has happened at e3...no gta for a while..
so what?!?!
xbox has so many good things coming....
i mean..xbox live..all these amazing new games...xbox exclusive games....

damn!
forget gta 3..i wanna play some xbox live!

peace

[Vitamin D]

Heh, I was always curious about GTA3, but I kinda agree with Maximus...it's old now.

Out with the old, in with the Xbox Live!

[thAshAdyOne]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.............I can't believe this!!! Max Payne is killer on X-Box I can't realize that Rockstar does't see that GTA will kill on X-Box too!!! Oh well I can always buy it for my PS2

[CALzinger]

GTA3.................and all that anticipation. but dont we got like project ego and xbox live?

i mean cmon, did ps2 ever actually go online?
we got xbox live, thats all we need

[CALzinger]

and well, games to support xbox live

[jccip20]

All i'm saying is that you can get tired of Gta3 real quick and not want to play it anymore, i see it as no real loss for the xbox and plus we can play it on the computer if we really need to play, plus it sucks on ps2 anyway at least graphics wise.

[bnorwood77]

It sure would have been nice to crank it up on an xbox, instead of having to use the computer. truly sad that it isn't coming out for the xbox.

[MixMasta]

screw sony!!!!

if u want gta3 get it for the pc, if u buy a ps2 and gta3 for it ur just fueling sony. go get it for the pc instead!!!!

[Calve]

Originally posted by CALzinger
GTA3.................and all that anticipation. but dont we got like project ego and xbox live?

i mean cmon, did ps2 ever actually go online?
we got xbox live, thats all we need

I dont have xbox live!!!!! Broadband isnt availiable where i live!!!!

whatta we do???

[Liquid Gears]

Originally posted by Piccolo_DBz
Grand Theft Auto 3 and all future titles in the GTA franchise will be exclusive to PlayStation 2 until October 2004, SCEA announced today at its E3 press conference. The hugely popular "thug simulator," developed by DMA Design for Rockstar Games, was the best-selling game title across all platforms last year, and earned IGN's PS2 Game of the Year award amid dozens of other accolades. This announcement means it's curtains for the planned Xbox version of GTA3, which was to be released later this year.

F*ck Rockstar and F*ck You Sony! There still not getting my money. A**holes and I hope your online plan will crash and burn like whats happening to Square :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

It's coming to XBox, don't listen to this chump.:rolleyes:

[Master Gracey]

Originally posted by Liquid Gears
It's coming to XBox, don't listen to this chump.:rolleyes:

Um...

The CEO of Rockstar also made the same announcement about GTA3 being a Sony exclusive. I think we can all stop dreaming now and get on to talking about the great games that we are going to get. You know... games from companies that are true visionaries, want their games to look the best and don't take bribes.

R* has seen the last $$$ from me. They're ancient history in my book. If I could say one thing to them, it'd be "Arrividerci, suckers!"

[FloBuzz]

Man that sucks! I don't want to wait till 2004 to buy it.

Hopefully by then, there will be a GTA4 or GTA5 out, which actually utilizes the XBox's capabilities. Oh well.

[Snoopy7548]

how many times do i have to hear about this? jesus, this is just as bad as everyone asking if its gonna come out on the xbox. we dont need 50 million threads about it being cancelled:mad:

[CALzinger]

we got plenty of good RPGs no need to worry

[Shadow Fox]

Originally posted by CALzinger
we got plenty of good RPGs no need to worry Man there's ALOT of GTA hatin' on this board..It's a complete turn-around from the "GTA3 is coming to Xbox with better graphics" threads...hmmm...anyways...:rolleyes:

Plenty of good RPG's?? Where? Please point me to them...

What good RPG will be out this year for Xbox other than Morrowind?

As of now, PS2 still got the RPG fix goin' wit da FFX, Grandia Xtreme, DragonQuest, Star Ocean 3, and Xenosaga, so....

Even GCN got Evolution Worlds, Rune, Golden Sun, Final Fantasy and an Enix game coming this year...

I guess you can sort of count Shenmue II as an RPG, but eh...

*shrugs*

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict

[Snoopy7548]

project ego

[Kraft]

unfortunately project ego/fable probably won't make it out this year, leaving us high and dry with morrowind. Of course, that means every RPG-er who has a box will flock to this game like moths to a lantern... but shadow fox is right... I cant think of another rpg aside from morrowind...

[Snoopy7548]

yea, but i dont really like rpg's, i never play them, so i dont really care, ill be busy with xbox live and UC and stuff:D

[CALzinger]

Originally posted by Shadow Fox
Man there's ALOT of GTA hatin' on this board..It's a complete turn-around from the "GTA3 is coming to Xbox with better graphics" threads...hmmm...anyways...:rolleyes:

Plenty of good RPG's?? Where? Please point me to them...

What good RPG will be out this year for Xbox other than Morrowind?

As of now, PS2 still got the RPG fix goin' wit da FFX, Grandia Xtreme, DragonQuest, Star Ocean 3, and Xenosaga, so....

Even GCN got Evolution Worlds, Rune, Golden Sun, Final Fantasy and an Enix game coming this year...

I guess you can sort of count Shenmue II as an RPG, but eh...

*shrugs*

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict

dont argue about this cause this game ownzz:

STAR WARS: KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC

this games ownz and its better than any other game, id rather have this than GTA3, sadly enough

[xboxinstinct]

We got Deus Ex 2
Hint to Microsof make this game exclusive!!!

[Sparrik]

project ego is gonna rock, and yes knights of the old republic too... ya.. PS2 can go f#ck itself, i was looking forward to gta comin to xbox. It WOULD have used most of the potential of the xbox considering the game was being completely redone. That is the main problem with that game right now. The graphics blow chunks. They equal up about to syphon filter on PSX. otherwise the games awesome. Aaah well, that really ****es the hell out of me... but o well, i will get over it once Xbox live comes. Ill be playin the hell out of rainbow 6 III every day. Especially with the sweet online deal. Anyone else think that PS2 online is going to crash and burn? It really seems to be looking that way seeing that it costs about a million dollars just to get online, and the line-up isnt very deep. The only games id look forward to on that lineup are whichever tactical shooter it is comin there and FFXI. Maybe everquest, however the graphics are ****-poor. As for xbox, the line-up is quite nice and the online technologies are better too... especially considering there wont be any kids with 56k laggin the hell out of everyone else. Sorry if u dont have broadband guys, but it would suck without it anyways.

[Shadow Fox]

Originally posted by CALzinger


dont argue about this cause this game ownzz:

STAR WARS: KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC

this games ownz and its better than any other game, id rather have this than GTA3, sadly enough OWNZZ...man, when are people going to realize that hackers actually talk thru slurred binary sylables, and not excess Z's and X's in every word...:rolleyes:

Anyways, so I see you've played Star Wars: Knights of the old Republic for Xbox...:rolleyes:

What's that? You haven't? Then how can it "own" the way you exclaim?

This is the first Star Wars RPG for a next-gen console, so I know you can't go off of previous titles (like a "prequel" to KOTOR)...

Just how will it own? Is there anything innovative about it? Are the graphics impressive in some way that surpasses Aquanox for Geforce 4? Is the story that deep? Is the gameplay that tight?

Exactly the point. At least project Ego has hype, and a developer with a good track record.

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict

[dave_m123]

In fact Knights of the Old Republic is i think the first Star Wars RPG or proper RPG. And its made by BIOWARE who are probably the best RPG maker on the planet.

Does anyone know of any proper single player RPGS (such as morrowind/Project Ego/KOTR)coming out on consoles that arent glorified LINEAR adventure games with a bit of combat added in?

[Dre]

Originally posted by Shadow Fox
when are people going to realize that hackers actually talk thru slurred binary sylables, and not excess Z's and X's in every word...:rolleyes:

LOL @ Shadow Fox... whatever...


Just how will it own? Is there anything innovative about it? Are the graphics impressive in some way that surpasses Aquanox for Geforce 4? Is the story that deep? Is the gameplay that tight?

Exactly the point. At least project Ego has hype, and a developer with a good track record.

1. "Is there anything innovative about it?" Well if you were fortunate enough to read the OXM feature, you would see that yes it will be very innovative.

2. "Aquanox for Geforce 4?" Right.. its actually just using pixel and vertex shaders, something that was on the initial geforce 3 cards. Something that Xbox developers are starting to use in their games (Crash, Morrowind, Hunter, etc..) Also, Aquanox sux dude.. I mean.. its nice visually.. but it just blows as far as enjoyment goes. And yes, KOTOR will kick Aquanox's ass graphically. Little details such as wheat fields moving in correspondance to landing ships or someone running through them, etc.... I still can't believe you mentioned Aquanox.. LMAO!!!

3. "Is the story that deep?" Well.. what do you think? Its Star-Wars man!!! Its Bioware!!! You can't go wrong!! From what I've read so far, the backdrop of the story looks amazing! Its set 4000 years prior to the Luc Skywalker time. Its a time where the Sith and the Jedi are raging war. I don't really feel like putting the whole story.. just go check it out here on XBA.

4. "Is the gameplay that tight?" Well, no one knows that till the game comes out, we can't even say that for Project Ego. I wish we could, but we can't.. so that argument is moot. (still chuckling at the Aquanox comparaison!!)

5. "At least Project Ego has hype". KOTOR has no hype? Have you been living under a rock?

6. "A developer with a good track record".. LOL!! Dude.. you are really clueless about this title ain't ya!! Bioware is making KOTOR. Do you happen to have ever heard about a little something called Baldurs Gate?

Anyways, take it easy Shadow Fox, hope this helped put your questions to rest..

[dave_m123]

Question will the story in nintendo games which according to u have good stories be any better than for example mario must save princess fruit :D becuase she baked him a cake (the story for mario 64 if i remember rightly). Nintendo games seem to have very shallow and simplisitc stories.

If you want deep stories then games like Planescape Torment, the Final fantasy games (if u can put up with some incredibly lame and totally unplauisible plot points) and Starcraft etc...

[CodeMonkey]

I would rather have one good rpg such as marrowind then many not so good rpg titles..

mario story lines.....rotflol
:D

[Kraft]

I just hope morrowind counts as a 'good' rpg, CM... because it looks like we'll be waiting a while for KOTOR and Ego/Fable/whatever... *sighs*

[Shadow Fox]

Originally posted by dre
Well, no one knows that till the game comes out, we can't even say that for Project Ego. I wish we could, but we can't.. so that argument is moot...And so is yours, and CALzinger's, by this very statement. KOTOR is nowhere near a fall release anyways, so why was this even posted?

And yes, I've heard of Baldur's Gate. As far as best RPG developer's on the planet- have YOU been "living under a rock"? Unless Bioware created Wizardry, Ultima, FF, Star Ocean, EverQuest, Dark Age of Camelot, Diablo AND Tales of Phantasia, I think not...;)
Originally posted by KraftSLU
I just hope morrowind counts as a 'good' rpg, CM... because it looks like we'll be waiting a while for KOTOR and Ego/Fable/whatever... *sighs* Which was my whole point from the get-go. And as of now, Morrowind isn't exactly a top-seller for PC, but I'll still get it for Xbox in a few weeks.

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict

[dave_m123]

Actually according to gamespot it's 2nd in the PC charts in its first week and only just behind the stupidly popular but awful game The Sims. So before you start claiming its not selling well wait for numbers to be released before you assume. Just so you know im not lieing heres a link :D
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2868172,00.html

Bioware are probably the best RPG developers of recent times. Square arent as i think the only proper RPG they have made is FF11 from the looks of it. The others FF's are to linear to be RPG's and are more of adventure games than anything else.

[Kraft]

Oooh, 2nd. Not bad. But behind the Sims? How freaking long has that game been out now? I remember buying it cheap last summer... and morrowind still can't beat it. Kinda worries me. But then again, who buys computers to play RPGs? Every rpg i've played has been on a console.

[Snoopy7548]

Originally posted by Shadow Fox
OWNZZ...man, when are people going to realize that hackers actually talk thru slurred binary sylables, and not excess Z's and X's in every word...:rolleyes:

well, shadow, u obviously dont know anything about that. cause adding Z's to words is not hacker talk or whatever. its ghetto. like when i always say off the hizzy fo sheezy, thats ghetto talk. lol:D

[dave_m123]

Originally posted by KraftSLU
Oooh, 2nd. Not bad. But behind the Sims? How freaking long has that game been out now? I remember buying it cheap last summer... and morrowind still can't beat it. Kinda worries me. But then again, who buys computers to play RPGs? Every rpg i've played has been on a console.

It's the sims Vacation the new addon pack so probably everyone is buying it. Your right though in one incarnation or another its been in the charts for months.

[hellook]

i am alittle ****ed off but i say they can kiss my big ass
i will have better things 2 do w/ xbox live:cool:

[swampthyng]

damn shadow fox, can you possibly show your ignorance or put your foot in your mouth any more in one thread than you've allready done?



"And yes, I've heard of Baldur's Gate. As far as best RPG developer's on the planet- have YOU been "living under a rock"? Unless Bioware created Wizardry, Ultima, FF, Star Ocean, EverQuest, Dark Age of Camelot, Diablo AND Tales of Phantasia, I think not..."


Let alone the fact that Everquest, and dark age of camelot are NOT RPGS in even the SLIGHTEST sense of the word and diablo? WTF? You seriously consider diablo an rpg? Baldur's gate is considered to be THE game that has revitalized the RPG genre that had been basically dead so i'd consider bioware the premier RPG designer. Considering the fact that you evidently dont' even know what an rpg is as showcased by you naming diablo and rpg in the same sentence, i'd think you'd cut your losses and realize you know nothing about the topic and refrain from further foot in mouth comments.



Morrowind isn't exactly a top-seller for PC, but I'll still get it for Xbox in a few weeks.

Again, foot in mouth syndrome. morrowind is a top seller for PC and is in the top 5 best sellers since release. So ummm YES in fact it IS a top seller for pc.



KOTOR is nowhere near a fall release anyways, so why was this even posted?

Oh really? Bioware has stated the target release date is november/december but will hold off on the PC release so as not to conflict with the release of star wars galaxies and confuse consumers with 2 "rpg" star wars titles. Even Ebworld and their famous vaporware release dates is showing 11/01/02 as the projected release which coincides with bioware statements.

[dave_m123]

Baldurs gate did revitalise the RPG Genre as i remember buying it. It basically came out of nowere and sold a huge amount of copies. As far as i know every other game by BIOWARE has been critically acclaimed with high reviews.

[Shadow Fox]

Originally posted by Snoopy7548


well, shadow, u obviously dont know anything about that. cause adding Z's to words is not hacker talk or whatever. its ghetto. like when i always say off the hizzy fo sheezy, thats ghetto talk. lol:D That's not ghetto; that's "wannabe ghetto-cuz-I-heard-Jermaine-Dupri-say-it-so-it-must-be-cool".:mad:

Try "Slumptionary", like twelve, folk, fo-thuty, dip, vamp, dat-dere, yo got it playboy, bust dis left/right, SWATS, pole, o, da Temp, da Bluff, Pre-Trial, tabs, da trap, burlouge, Zone 3, Zone 1, Dixie Hills, here (pronounced "hur"), boy (pronounced "ba"), what's up pimpin, bam on dat do, fo' sho & dead ass (to replace that horrid "fo shizzy" mess), da Briar, 166, re-up, demblo, yeek, u-way, and jon (the oldschool term for "diss"; pronounced "jone").

Don't go there, and I won't open the door for ya, playa.;)

"u obviously don't know anything about that"...As we say round here- "unh huh...for real? Right, right...":rolleyes:

And swampwhateva and dave_m123, I got a whole different post for you guys- stand the hell by.

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict

[MixMasta]

woa! thanks for helping me with my ebonics, lol!:) :eek: :cool: :D

[Shadow Fox]

Originally posted by dave_m123
Actually according to gamespot it's 2nd in the PC charts in its first week and only just behind the stupidly popular but awful game The Sims. So before you start claiming its not selling well wait for numbers to be released before you assume. Just so you know im not lieing heres a link :D
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2868172,00.htmlWell excuse me for using information that's two days old. Apparently NPD does rate Morrowind at #2 now, and I stand corrected. However, I was correct in my statement (in regard to previous news anyway). If you look at the sales list at the bottom of that page, you'll see Morrowind posted at the NUMBER 11 SPOT, which was my point- it wasn't selling that well to my knowledge- that is, until you found this updated news. Thanx, not that it matters; I've already gotten it preordered for Xbox.

Bioware are probably the best RPG developers of recent times. Square arent as i think the only proper RPG they have made is FF11 from the looks of it. The others FF's are to linear to be RPG's and are more of adventure games than anything else. "Proper" RPG? You mean to tell me that the years before there was a non-linear RPG (FFV and DragonQuest VI) it wasn't "proper"? Are you denying thousands of critics worldwide? What makes a "proper" RPG? From what I know, an RPG is a "Role Playing Game"- in which you assume the role of another character in an epic "quest". Is this NOT DONE in every Final Fantasy?
Originally posted by swampwhatever
damn shadow fox, can you possibly show your ignorance or put your foot in your mouth any more in one thread than you've allready done?According to you only, apparantly no; feel free to prove this; along with how this long opinion you made here is fact. By the numbers we shall go again:

Let alone the fact that Everquest, and dark age of camelot are NOT RPGS in even the SLIGHTEST sense of the word and diablo? WTF? You seriously consider diablo an rpg? Baldur's gate is considered to be THE game that has revitalized the RPG genre that had been basically dead so i'd consider bioware the premier RPG designer. Considering the fact that you evidently dont' even know what an rpg is as showcased by you naming diablo and rpg in the same sentence, i'd think you'd cut your losses and realize you know nothing about the topic and refrain from further foot in mouth comments.Great. And just define the genre while you're at it. Let's see here:

Gamespot
IGN
GamePro
EGM
etc...etc...

Funny, they all seem to list, explain, and review the Diablo series, Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot, as "RPG's"....hmmm....

Can you please state where they aren't listed as such? And no, blurted opinions don't count...and feel free to read my definition of an RPG, and see if it differs greatly from what you find at other credible sources. Try me.
Again, foot in mouth syndrome. morrowind is a top seller for PC and is in the top 5 best sellers since release. So ummm YES in fact it IS a top seller for pc.You ALMOST got me there. Morrowind is in fact a top-seller now, but this wasn't the case in it's beginnings, which is at the bottom of the page on dave_123's own link. And as I said before, it's really a null point now, as I've got the game preordered for Xbox already.

Oh really? Bioware has stated the target release date is november/december but will hold off on the PC release so as not to conflict with the release of star wars galaxies and confuse consumers with 2 "rpg" star wars titles. Even Ebworld and their famous vaporware release dates is showing 11/01/02 as the projected release which coincides with bioware statements.I stand corrected then, about the release date: the PC version is for 2k3, though, no?. The most info I have on this game (as with everyone else BUT Lucas Arts) is that the game is a single-player, linear, offline title....sounds nothing like Baulder's Gate to me. The story, full cast of races, and everything else is still unknown; which brings be back to my original point:

Just exactly how does KOTOR "OWN"?

Proof of this will only show when Lucas Arts allows; which obviously isn't right now.

*unsheathes katana*

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict

[dave_m123]

Originally posted by Shadow Fox
Well excuse me for using information that's two days old. Apparently NPD does rate Morrowind at #2 now, and I stand corrected. However, I was correct in my statement (in regard to previous news anyway). If you look at the sales list at the bottom of that page, you'll see Morrowind posted at the NUMBER 11 SPOT, which was my point- it wasn't selling that well to my knowledge- that is, until you found this updated news. Thanx, not that it matters; I've already gotten it preordered for Xbox.[/B]

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In its first full week of release, Bethesda's ambitious fantasy role-playing game The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind jumped up to second place on NPD Techworld's latest weekly list of best-selling PC games. "

Maybe on the week before when it was out for a couple of days it was at 11th but this was for it's first full week.


"Proper" RPG? You mean to tell me that the years before there was a non-linear RPG (FFV and DragonQuest VI) it wasn't "proper"? Are you denying thousands of critics worldwide? What makes a "proper" RPG? From what I know, an RPG is a "Role Playing Game"- in which you assume the role of another character in an epic "quest". Is this NOT DONE in every Final Fantasy?According to you only, apparantly no; feel free to prove this; along with how this long opinion you made here is fact. By the numbers we shall go again:
[/B]

By using your definition of an RPG then do you have any idea how many games would fall under the RPG Genre? We'd be getting games like Zelda, Mario, Tomb Raider, Jedi Knight 2 etc... as being Role Playing Games and no one would agree with that. Heck some RTS games could even be reclassified as Role Playing Games becuase your playing a general on a quest to win a war :P. And its not just according to me at all theres quite a lot of people who dont agree that Final Fantasy is best example of an RPG around. Morrowind is the first of its kind on a console.



Great. And just define the genre while you're at it. Let's see here:

Gamespot
IGN
GamePro
EGM
etc...etc...Funny, they all seem to list, explain, and review the Diablo series, Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot, as "RPG's"....hmmm....

Can you please state where they aren't listed as such? And no, blurted opinions don't count...and feel free to read my definition of an RPG, and see if it differs greatly from what you find at other credible sources. Try me.
[/B]

I would say the latter 2 are RPGs but Diablo is just a Hack and Slash game and if anything is RPG lite becuase it has a couple of stats to build up. Its quests are always simplistic like kill the creatures in this area or something similiar. Dungeon Siege is another example of an game thats RPG lite.

LOL since when were those websites credible sources? I wouldent trust there opinions much personally especially not Gamespot.


You ALMOST got me there. Morrowind is in fact a top-seller now, but this wasn't the case in it's beginnings, which is at the bottom of the page on dave_123's own link. And as I said before, it's really a null point now, as I've got the game preordered for Xbox already.
I stand corrected then, about the release date: the PC version is for 2k3, though, no?. The most info I have on this game (as with everyone else BUT Lucas Arts) is that the game is a single-player, linear, offline title....sounds nothing like Baulder's Gate to me. The story, full cast of races, and everything else is still unknown; which brings be back to my original point:

Just exactly how does KOTOR "OWN"?

Proof of this will only show when Lucas Arts allows; which obviously isn't right now.

*unsheathes katana*

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict [/B]

Well KOTR is being done by BIOWARE and there games follow similar formulas in gameplay. This is in 3d i think thats gonna be the biggest change but it will share some similarities with the other games they have made.

[Shadow Fox]

Originally posted by dave_m123


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Maybe on the week before when it was out for a couple of days it was at 11th but this was for it's first full week.Read that the first time, and I won't read it again. Obviously I posted my remark two days late, and I already apologized for this.


By using your definition of an RPG then do you have any idea how many games would fall under the RPG Genre? We'd be getting games like Zelda, Mario, Tomb Raider, Jedi Knight 2 etc... as being Role Playing Games and no one would agree with that. Heck some RTS games could even be reclassified as Role Playing Games becuase your playing a general on a quest to win a war :P. And its not just according to me at all theres quite a lot of people who dont agree that Final Fantasy is best example of an RPG around. Morrowind is the first of its kind on a console.Maybe you don't understand what I meant by "epic". Generally, it's folklore tales of heroic deeds, usually in poem. In this instance, Zelda CAN be classified as an RPG in some respects, as it does pertain to legend, which happens to be a long sonnet if you've ever read the introduction to the original The Legend of Zelda, and the instruction manuals in the following games.

Others define an RPG as gradually progressing stats (such as lvl ups and weapon trading), which occurs in both Baulder's Gate, Diablo, and every other RPG. Phantasy Star I-IV, and and PSO versions 1 and 2 also follow the same guidelines.

Maybe the way YOU want to classify an RPG as one of the new waves of RPG's the MMORPG's and nonlinear RPG's, which still remain true to the basic, underlying principles of a standard RPG- epic story of heroism, kill things, gain experience, progress.
I would say the latter 2 are RPGs but Diablo is just a Hack and Slash game and if anything is RPG lite becuase it has a couple of stats to build up. Its quests are always simplistic like kill the creatures in this area or something similiar. Dungeon Siege is another example of an game thats RPG lite.Read above; and thanx for agreeing.;)
LOL since when were those websites credible sources? I wouldent trust there opinions much personally especially not Gamespot.Ok, well who then, is a credible source besides Dengeki, Famitzu, Egm, Gamespot, IGN and GamePro? Is there another credible site I should mention, like Gamespy? It's listed there, too. Feel free to list more; and if you can, one that DOESN'T list them as RPG's.

Well KOTR is being done by BIOWARE and there games follow similar formulas in gameplay. This is in 3d i think thats gonna be the biggest change but it will share some similarities with the other games they have made. [Edit:] Yup, it will be 3D, at least according to the screenshots posted by LucasArts. Then again, no shots were given of the actual battle system, so I can't assume that totally...

Still doesn't answer my question, but then again, I didn't intend for you to.;)

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict

[dave_m123]

Originally posted by Shadow Fox

[QUOTE]Maybe you don't understand what I meant by "epic". Generally, it's folklore tales of heroic deeds, usually in poem. In this instance, Zelda CAN be classified as an RPG in some respects, as it does pertain to legend, which happens to be a long sonnet if you've ever read the introduction to the original The Legend of Zelda, and the instruction manuals in the following games.

Others define an RPG as gradually progressing stats (such as lvl ups and weapon trading), which occurs in both Baulder's Gate, Diablo, and every other RPG. Phantasy Star I-IV, and and PSO versions 1 and 2 also follow the same guidelines.

Maybe the way YOU want to classify an RPG as one of the new waves of RPG's the MMORPG's and nonlinear RPG's, which still remain true to the basic, underlying principles of a standard RPG- epic story of heroism, kill things, gain experience, progress.[/b]Read above; and thanx for agreeing.;)[/b][/B]

Your definition of Epic may not fit others opinions. Tomb Raider was also based on legends yet you dont hear anyone calling that an RPG or having RPG elements in it. Better description for both of those games would be action adventure.

Non linear RPGS have existed for ages its not a new wave at all. MMORPG's are also not new as they existed before the newest ones (like everquest) in the form of text based Multi User Dungeons.

The term RPG comes from the tabletop paper based games thats used to be played years ago in the 70's if i recall correctly. A huge amount of Role Playing Games are based on the rules set up by those games and many others have adopted that approach.


Ok, well who then, is a credible source besides Dengeki, Famitzu, Egm, Gamespot, IGN and GamePro? Is there another credible site I should mention, like Gamespy? It's listed there, too. Feel free to list more; and if you can, one that DOESN'T list them as RPG's.

I dont actually listen to reviews from so called credible sources anymore as the vast majority of them now seem to just be about praising the biggest hyped games. Gamespot is bad consideing its pretty much Anti Xbox over there. As an example most reviews from sites like this gave MGS2 yet people who have played it say that its more dialougue/cutscenes than gameplay. Basically i just use reviews to see what type of features are in the game i dont listen to their opinion on the game. Azurik is a game that got **** reviews yet ive just got it and its a great game. They dident realise that its supposed to be a huge adventure and it takes time to get into it which they dident spend on getting into it. Some sites have said Metroid is a First Person Adventure but it isent its just a FPS.


Yup, it will be 3D, at least according to the screenshots posted by LucasArts. Then again, no shots were given of the actual battle system, so I can't assume that totally...

Still doesn't answer my question, but then again, I didn't intend for you to.;)

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict

Actually in a movie release lately it showed an ingame sabre fight. There was something going round about an order queueing system not sure if its true or not.

[Shadow Fox]

Originally posted by dave_m123


Your definition of Epic may not fit others opinions. Tomb Raider was also based on legends yet you dont hear anyone calling that an RPG or having RPG elements in it. Better description for both of those games would be action adventure.See, you've misread my post again. I'll requote myself:

"an RPG is a "Role Playing Game"- in which you assume the role of another character in an epic "quest"..."
"Generally, it's folklore tales of heroic deeds, usually in poem."Now, Is Lara Croft on a quest of herioc deeds based on folklore? Is here adventure legendary? No. Lara Croft's area she's exploring is based on legend in some missions, but that's as deep as that delves. Mario/Crash/Spyro's quest isn't a legend either. Don't get it twisted. Historic areas are NOT the same as a historic deed.

Argue about this all you want; point is, Diablo IS an RPG- maybe not in your eyes, but apparantly many think otherwise, as documented earlier.
Non linear RPGS have existed for ages its not a new wave at all.Yes, I know this; it's called Ultima. But ever since the advent of Ultima Online so long ago, everyone wants to get into the act of developing a "Nonlinear" RPG. I believe then they were just called FREE FORM ROLE PLAYING GAMES. Sound familiar?
MMORPG's are also not new as they existed before the newest ones (like everquest) in the form of text based Multi User Dungeons.Yeah, I remember the OFFLINE MUD games (where you'd get lost all the time in the BASIC-programmed command list), and then the online ones caught on pretty fast when Mosiac got huge for a second in the early nineties. Then everyone and thier grandma started playing these online RPG's. The term is of course used loosely now for graphical Mass Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games, which is totally different as it adds two more dimensions.
The term RPG comes from the tabletop paper based games thats used to be played years ago in the 70's if i recall correctly. A huge amount of Role Playing Games are based on the rules set up by those games and many others have adopted that approach.Are you trying to give me a history lesson here? Look, Diablo is considered an RPG by a many peeps- that's just the facts.

And yes, I still have a working Thundercats table-top RPG setup, circa 1984.
I dont actually listen to reviews from so called credible sources anymore as the vast majority of them now seem to just be about praising the biggest hyped games. Gamespot is bad consideing its pretty much Anti Xbox over there. As an example most reviews from sites like this gave MGS2 yet people who have played it say that its more dialougue/cutscenes than gameplay. Basically i just use reviews to see what type of features are in the game i dont listen to their opinion on the game. Azurik is a game that got **** reviews yet ive just got it and its a great game. They dident realise that its supposed to be a huge adventure and it takes time to get into it which they dident spend on getting into it. Some sites have said Metroid is a First Person Adventure but it isent its just a FPS.Hmmm...that's funny; here's what you said earlier:
"LOL since when were those websites credible sources? I wouldent trust there opinions much personally especially not Gamespot."You said this, quite clearly aluding that there were websites with "credible sources"...yet, I used more than just GameSpot, and you say you don't trust any of 'em...oh well...

I agree with the reviews for one, that upon playing Asurik thru, I could not enjoy it. The game felt rushed, many of the areas needed serious camera work, the animations and some of the textures are muddy, and though the story was kickass, it just wasn't presented well enough by an original (or at least mildly engaging) level design and battle system.

And seeing as much hype as this game has (as with a few other Xbox disappointments), there is no excuse for making the actual GAMEPLAY more than mediocre. Nightcaster was a step up IMO, but not by much.

And I also agree with IGN, Planet GameCube, and Nintendo- Metroid is a First-Person ADVENTURE. This isn't like Halo, where you just go from mission to mission. Talon IV is one massive world (just like Planet Zebes, and SR138 before it) where you traverse the land, and revisiting old areas for PURPOSE (new items, new areas to reach, etc). It's Metroid in 3D, which never was a 2D "shooter", hence the term. Don't get...it....twisted...
Actually in a movie release lately it showed an ingame sabre fight. There was something going round about an order queueing system not sure if its true or not. I'll have to see that file, then. Then I'll see what it's all about...hell, if it sticks to this November release date, I may be inclined to buy it. But that will be pretty hard, considering the XboxLive, SOCOM Navy Seals, Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, StarFox Adventures, Madden, Evolution, Malice, Final Fantasy GameCube, Resident Evil Zero, Phantasy Star Online Episodes 1&2, and Zelda GCN I'll be getting before and after that timeframe, so eh...:(

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict

[Snoopy7548]

this thread is supposed to be about gta3 being cancelled

[dave_m123]

Originally posted by Shadow Fox
See, you've misread my post again. I'll requote myself:[/b][/b]Now, Is Lara Croft on a quest of herioc deeds based on folklore? Is here adventure legendary? No. Lara Croft's area she's exploring is based on legend in some missions, but that's as deep as that delves. Mario/Crash/Spyro's quest isn't a legend either. Don't get it twisted. Historic areas are NOT the same as a historic deed. [/B]

Well theres no point arguing with you as we aint gonna agree on this point. Suffice to not all RPG's are not just based games that have characters on quests. Plenty of games are like that. Azurik is one for example.


Argue about this all you want; point is, Diablo IS an RPG- maybe not in your eyes, but apparantly many think otherwise, as documented earlier.[/B]

Nope Diablo is an Action game with a few RPG elements. Question to you why do u think its an RPG and i mean your personal opinion not what youve read on websites.


Are you trying to give me a history lesson here? Look, Diablo is considered an RPG by a many peeps- that's just the facts.

It's also considered hardly an RPG by a lot of people when compared to proper indepth RPGs. It's called opinion theres no fact involved here. The fact fact that its just a mindless hack and slash game for the most part takes it out of the full rpg category in my book. Play a game like Planescape Torment if you want a real RPG that isent the same repetitive gameplay over and over again.


Hmmm...that's funny; here's what you said earlier:[/b]You said this, quite clearly aluding that there were websites with "credible sources"...yet, I used more than just GameSpot, and you say you don't trust any of 'em...oh well...[/B]

Well cant say anything for the Japanese ones as i aint read them but most websites suck for reviews at least most of those i have been on and I'd rather take opinions from people on forums in regards to games than so called professional reviewers.


I agree with the reviews for one, that upon playing Asurik thru, I could not enjoy it. The game felt rushed, many of the areas needed serious camera work, the animations and some of the textures are muddy, and though the story was kickass, it just wasn't presented well enough by an original (or at least mildly engaging) level design and battle system.

LOL the camera had a great deal of control in it and was far better than a lot of other games like Spiderman the movie and Gunvalkyrie. I agree on the animation issue but apart from that the graphics are nice. As for level design not seen a game with decent level design in ages now not even halo had good level design later on in the game when it started reusing bits from earlier on, but it doesent bother me much. The idea of using differnet elements on differnt things was a cool idea and makes some sense.


And seeing as much hype as this game has (as with a few other Xbox disappointments), there is no excuse for making the actual GAMEPLAY more than mediocre. Nightcaster was a step up IMO, but not by much.

Funny i've heard no hype for this game just bad review scores from people who played a game for a short while expecting it to be what they thought and not an 80 hour adventure and therefore dident give it a proper chance. One of the developers on the official forum for Azurik said that people thought it was a differnet game and they dident know it was supposed to be a long adventure game. And most of the complaints about the game were it being slow in the beginning.


And I also agree with IGN, Planet GameCube, and Nintendo- Metroid is a First-Person ADVENTURE. This isn't like Halo, where you just go from mission to mission. Talon IV is one massive world (just like Planet Zebes, and SR138 before it) where you traverse the land, and revisiting old areas for PURPOSE (new items, new areas to reach, etc). It's Metroid in 3D, which never was a 2D "shooter", hence the term. Don't get...it....twisted...

Looks just like a FPS. Games like System Shock 2 and Dues Ex arent given there own genre when they are clearly arent just FPS (they are FPS with RPG elements) yet they are labelled as FPS. I dont see why Metroid must have its own genre just becuase its Metroid :rolleyes:


I'll have to see that file, then. Then I'll see what it's all about...hell, if it sticks to this November release date, I may be inclined to buy it. But that will be pretty hard, considering the XboxLive, SOCOM Navy Seals, Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, StarFox Adventures, Madden, Evolution, Malice, Final Fantasy GameCube, Resident Evil Zero, Phantasy Star Online Episodes 1&2, and Zelda GCN I'll be getting before and after that timeframe, so eh...:(

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict

If i remember rightly the link was posted on teamxbox a few days ago so it you may have trouble finding it. i think its up at the lucasarts site and could be on fileplanet.

[Crazy Joe]

Originally posted by Snoopy7548
this thread is supposed to be about gta3 being cancelled

lol@Snoop, i totally forget the topic of this thread as I was reading through it.

[Xbox Masta 4]

Hahah funny! Everyones going all out on this thread! Oh and who ever said GTA4 and 5 will come out before we have to wait til the game to come, well your right, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City is coming to the PS2 in october, and that prob means a year later it will come out for the pc, haha That would be dumb! Well I have no clue about GTA4 or GTA5 but I just saw the Vice City coming out this year...:D :)

[Piccolo_DBz]

Damn I can't believe this thread is still around. I already frickin got over it and bought the pc version.:D hehe

[Killa_Kujo]

arghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

*screw rockstar let them kiss sonys a$$ for an allowance

*screw Sony let them buy companies and strip them of thier pride

*I bet rockstars ****ing themselves I mean everyone who has a PS2 and wants GTA3 already has anyways so wut is the freakin piont and...... oh ya di it not come out for GBA or is it my imagination?:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Kraft]

don't forget...

*screw people who bump dead posts that are as old as that green floater I left in the toilet*

[DZNUTZ]

where ya been KB?

[Kraft]

Originally posted by DZNUTZ
where ya been KB?

Been moving into my new pad in coolville, st louis :) I live by the 'loop' which is bar/restaurant/musical venue central for saint louis. Either way, just getting my DSL set up so I should be online full time shortly. Anyways, I just bought War 3 so I might disappear for another week or so!