When XBOX Live is Alive, what will happen to Gamespy/XBconnect [Archive]

Whisper

05-27-2002, 08:00 AM

I'm sorry sinizuh, but only being 15, buying the system, 4 games now, 3 controllers, dvd remote, exteneded warrenty, just finally convincing my parents to get onto Rogers Cable..

how can I be called a cheap ass bastard...

I'm willing to wager that lots of people here saying theyll go pay for XBL, will never do so, simply because if something is free, they will sacrifice a tiny bit of service for no charge.

Dre

05-27-2002, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by wwfraven2k
I'm sorry sinizuh, but only being 15, buying the system, 4 games now, 3 controllers, dvd remote, exteneded warrenty, just finally convincing my parents to get onto Rogers Cable..

how can I be called a cheap ass bastard...

I'm willing to wager that lots of people here saying theyll go pay for XBL, will never do so, simply because if something is free, they will sacrifice a tiny bit of service for no charge.

Its much more than a tiny bit of service. Also, remember that if a game is Xbox live, that doesn't mean you'll be able to play on Gamespy, XBC, etc.. they have to be system-link compatible.

So, yes they will stay alive.. tons of ppl will continue to play Halo, etc.. but the services will not be able to play all the games that Xbox live will. I'm also willing to bet that MS put some money into encrypting data schemes, and other methods, to ensure that ppl that want to play xbox live games will have to do so on their network only. What does this mean? Probably won't be seeing a gamespy II that plays xbox live games.

PSYCH0 GUY

05-28-2002, 05:42 PM

i've been thinkin about this question for awhile...

i dunno if gamespy will shut down when xboxlive comes up. i play on gamespy once in awhile but sometimes its incredibly laggy

X-Ray

05-29-2002, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by VAN-XBA
Id be willing to wager that once XBL launches, MS will try to shut down GS and XBC, PDQ.

Hows that for good use of abbreviations? :)

I think Microsoft will see these mediums as "system-sellers" in and of themeselves. They'll provide the impetus for the thrifty to play X-Box games on-line and will also function as an outlet for those who may want to play Halo (One), years from now. So I think they'll leave 'em alone; they like 'em!

l Maximus l

05-29-2002, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by wwfraven2k
Well, yeah, read the subject. When XBOX Live is up, will XBconnect and Gamespy close?

im asking ths because I probably wont be able to get XBOX Live cause of the money factor (maybe) it might be better for me to play for free.

Well, if you think about it, wwfraven2K, you can't play XBConnect or Gamespy on-line without having broadband. And, when you use those free services, you will have a certain level of lag issues. However, with XBox Live, lag will not exist at all and for a mere $49.99, you get 12 months of service + the XBox Communicator (the headset that will allow you to talk and listen to others on-line) + I understand that the game: ReVolt is included. I think this is an amazing value!!!

Kortiz

05-29-2002, 01:45 AM

i heard that Sony was going to use Gamespy for their online stuff...*shrug*

MOrgE

05-29-2002, 06:51 AM

XBOX Live will become so big that Gamespy and XBConnect will die because of lack of participation.

$50 for the Communicator, 12 month subscription AND a game??
who won't go for that??
i know i will... heck, i'll buy it twice :)

sinizuh

05-29-2002, 09:17 AM

hmmm...

Gamespy = 4 person Halo with lag
XBLive = 64 person Battlefield 1942 with voice com without lag.

sacrifice a tiny bit of service indeed.

OppiumNitrates

05-29-2002, 09:34 AM

voice communicaton
1 name for every game
Opti-match being able to choose a game with players at your skill level and ensureing a lag free game
downloadable content and add ons for games
1 word MMORPG with voice communication, think of evesdropping on some unsupecting guys in the woods and getting u and your buddies ready to jump out and sabatoge them . . . LoL . . . . cant wait . . ok thats more like a run on sentence
i could go on but dont feel like looking eveyhing up thats just off the top of my head

if thats "a bit of service" then {insert something outlandish here}

Originally posted by sinizuh

Gamespy = 4 person Halo with lag
XBLive = 64 person Battlefield 1942 with voice com without lag.

dunno about that i think only the PC version will be multi for 64 people . . . i dont think XBL will be able to handle that off the bat . . . maybe a year down the road . . .

JJaX

05-29-2002, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by OppiumNitrates
voice communicaton
1 name for every game
Opti-match being able to choose a game with players at your skill level and ensureing a lag free game
downloadable content and add ons for games
1 word MMORPG with voice communication, think of evesdropping on some unsupecting guys in the woods and getting u and your buddies ready to jump out and sabatoge them . . . LoL . . . . cant wait . . ok thats more like a run on sentence
i could go on but dont feel like looking eveyhing up thats just off the top of my head

if thats "a bit of service" then {insert something outlandish here}

dunno about that i think only the PC version will be multi for 64 people . . . i dont think XBL will be able to handle that off the bat . . . maybe a year down the road . . .

Well, MS is hoping for 64 player and so am i. If anyone could pull it off it would be MS

OppiumNitrates

05-29-2002, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by JJaX

Well, MS is hoping for 64 player and so am i. If anyone could pull it off it would be MS

dont get me wrong i would love to play a game with 63 other people but when i read about this game it said 64 player mulit( for the PC version) . . . but yeah if someone couls pull it off MS has the Bills and Balls for it

noodleboy

05-29-2002, 10:39 AM

It's a no-brainer, $49.99 for the communicator, free on-line game, and 12 months of service? This should be a first day purchase for all broadband and Xbox owners. That deal cannot be beat, if you miss out on it, you are really missing out!!!

Ninja Scroll

05-29-2002, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by sinizuh
naw... when XBLive launchs, you can still use Gamespy and XBC... but you're one cheap ass bastard.

LOL, dats what im sayin sinizuh.

But I predict they will both DIE A SLOW, VERY SLOW LAGGING DEATH! :cool:

Ya'll get it, lagging death! :D

l Maximus l

05-29-2002, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Ninja Scroll
Ya'll get it, lagging death! :D

And to think that is one of your better jokes :rolleyes:

hehe...jk, dawg!! :D

XBoxLive is going to be bad ass! Two of the data centers are going to be in the Seattle area...that's my back yard!!! Man, this is going to be screaming fast!!!! :D

Xtopia

05-29-2002, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Maximus

And to think that is one of your better jokes :rolleyes:

hehe...jk, dawg!! :D

XBoxLive is going to be bad ass! Two of the data centers are going to be in the Seattle area...that's my back yard!!! Man, this is going to be screaming fast!!!! :D

LoL, but seriously, do you think you will have less lag than a guy playing in say...Florida, which is VERY far away from any of the data centers??:confused:

symposiumx

05-29-2002, 11:33 AM

When is the public going to be allowed to sign up for this Xbox Live Package deal, and how will we go about doing so?

OppiumNitrates

05-29-2002, 11:35 AM

in the fall and they will prob sell the package at ur local software store

l Maximus l

05-29-2002, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Xtopia

LoL, but seriously, do you think you will have less lag than a guy playing in say...Florida, which is VERY far away from any of the data centers??:confused:

I'm not sure! But, one thing is for sure, I definately won't have any! Personally, I think the network is going to be so screaming fast that no one will have any lag no matter where they are located. I think they are running servers that are over 7 Terabytes per second!!!!:eek:

OppiumNitrates

05-29-2002, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Maximus
I think they are running servers that are over 7 Terabytes per second!!!!:eek:

thats a ridiculas amount of speed . . . thats like a whole room full of just processors

where did u read that . . .

Xtopia

05-29-2002, 11:57 AM

I hope you'r right, Maximus!

l Maximus l

05-29-2002, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by OppiumNitrates

thats a ridiculas amount of speed . . . thats like a whole room full of just processors

where did u read that . . .

I was told by a couple dudes that I know that work for Microsoft. They are both working with the XBox team. Last Friday, I played with them during my first 16-man Halo System Link party...good times. I think they said that it will be 7.3 Terabytes per second...that is some serious bandwidth!! Connecting to those servers even with broadband is so smooth...so smooth that it makes a baby's butt feel like sandpaper :D

Xtopia

05-29-2002, 12:06 PM

So let me get this straight...it lags so much on XBC and gamespy because the host is the server. So when I join a game, with a host of 400 upload, it is basicly like I am running off of his server? So why doesn't Gamespy have servers with a fast connection? Maybe not 7.3 telabytes, but at least 3000 kbp/s.

LynxFX

05-29-2002, 12:08 PM

One thing I really like about what MS is doing with XBL is that they are making it universal and having standards. Every game you buy that supports XBL will have to support the features that XBL states, like Voice Communicator, matching making from any game etc. This is very commendable of MS and definately make it worth the $50 a year with all the goodies.

What I still won't judge until I see it is lag free gaming. Theoretically that is impossible no matter how fast their servers are. It will always come down the the end user and the net conjestion. I do believe that MS is doing everything they can to make sure that it wont happen on their end, but there isn't a single broadband service provider around doing the same thing on their end. Not Cox, not ATT, not Roadrunner, not Qwest etc etc. If the pipes get full from neighbors or neighbors in other States surfing the net then there is nothing we could do about it, or MS.

Also, geographical location doesn't always mean you will get a fast connection. Alot of ISP's route their traffic through a central server located somewhere in the country no matter where you reside. Like AOL for instance. All of their traffic gets routed through a central server in Virginia. So if you are in Oregon and want to talk to someone in Washington, your traffic is going to go all the way to Virginia, then back to Oregeon, minimum. This isn't always the case but more times than not. Just do some traceroutes and you can find out.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to dis the XBL network. I think it will be one of the best online gaming experiences available and I've been thoroughly impressed with MS to this point. I just don't people to get hopes up that there will be no lag when there very well could be especially with complicated games with 32-64 players. :eek: But it will be nothing like Gamespy or XBC. :)

l Maximus l

05-29-2002, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by Xtopia
So let me get this straight...it lags so much on XBC and gamespy because the host is the server. So when I join a game, with a host of 400 upload, it is basicly like I am running off of his server? So why doesn't Gamespy have servers with a fast connection? Maybe not 7.3 telabytes, but at least 3000 kbp/s.

Well, that's up to Gamespy. It's a completely different format. Only the gamers that host the games act as a server...Why doesn't Gamespy run their own? Probably financial issues.

Also, by the way, it's called "terabytes", not "telebytes". That is miraculous speed! It's Trillion bytes per second! XBox Live is going to be sweeeeet!! :D

Xtopia

05-29-2002, 12:12 PM

So basicly, it will be like playing your PC online? Some lag, but not too much. (Excpet everybody will be on broadband! ) Esp. on the the MSN Zone.

l Maximus l

05-29-2002, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Lynxfx
One thing I really like about what MS is doing with XBL is that they are making it universal and having standards. Every game you buy that supports XBL will have to support the features that XBL states, like Voice Communicator, matching making from any game etc. This is very commendable of MS and definately make it worth the $50 a year with all the goodies.

What I still won't judge until I see it is lag free gaming. Theoretically that is impossible no matter how fast their servers are. It will always come down the the end user and the net conjestion. I do believe that MS is doing everything they can to make sure that it wont happen on their end, but there isn't a single broadband service provider around doing the same thing on their end. Not Cox, not ATT, not Roadrunner, not Qwest etc etc. If the pipes get full from neighbors or neighbors in other States surfing the net then there is nothing we could do about it, or MS.

Also, geographical location doesn't always mean you will get a fast connection. Alot of ISP's route their traffic through a central server located somewhere in the country no matter where you reside. Like AOL for instance. All of their traffic gets routed through a central server in Virginia. So if you are in Oregon and want to talk to someone in Washington, your traffic is going to go all the way to Virginia, then back to Oregeon, minimum. This isn't always the case but more times than not. Just do some traceroutes and you can find out.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to dis the XBL network. I think it will be one of the best online gaming experiences available and I've been thoroughly impressed with MS to this point. I just don't people to get hopes up that there will be no lag when there very well could be especially with complicated games with 32-64 players. :eek: But it will be nothing like Gamespy or XBC. :)

You make a great point, however, I believe that since it will be broadband that it will minimize the potential for lag. My guess is that the ping will not exceed 20ms :)

Xtopia

05-29-2002, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Maximus

You make a great point, however, I believe that since it will be broadband that it will minimize the potential for lag. My guess is that the ping will not exceed 20ms :)

Once again, I hope your right!:D :cool: ;) :p

LynxFX

05-29-2002, 12:21 PM

You are right, it will minimize but it will not eliminate lag. One thing that is different with XBL than regular online gaming on the PC is that there will be alot more information going through the pipes especially with the voice communicator. Some broadband providers can't support that even though they are still broadband.

I guess the general point I was trying to make is that it will ultimately come down to your ISP and internet traffic. Microsoft looks to be completely prepared for every sole in the the US to connect so I don't think any problems will come from them.

l Maximus l

05-29-2002, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by Lynxfx
You are right, it will minimize but it will not eliminate lag. One thing that is different with XBL than regular online gaming on the PC is that there will be alot more information going through the pipes especially with the voice communicator. Some broadband providers can't support that even though they are still broadband.

I guess the general point I was trying to make is that it will ultimately come down to your ISP and internet traffic. Microsoft looks to be completely prepared for every sole in the the US to connect so I don't think any problems will come from them.

I agree.... I wonder if having broadband through MSN would be a good solution? Do you think that this could be advantagious?

LynxFX

05-29-2002, 12:50 PM

Does MSN have a broadband ISP now? Or do they piggyback like AOL does with broadband? You still get their 'special' services but you are going through AT&T's cable network.

It's a good question. :)

Xtopia

05-29-2002, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Lynxfx
Does MSN have a broadband ISP now? Or do they piggyback like AOL does with broadband? You still get their 'special' services but you are going through AT&T's cable network.

It's a good question. :)

They piggyback...I have ATT but use MSN.

LynxFX

05-29-2002, 12:58 PM

Ahh, thanks Xtopia.

So Max, looks like with MSN you would still be dependent on your cable or DSL provider and their network.

l Maximus l

05-29-2002, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Xtopia

They piggyback...I have ATT but use MSN.

Ahh...okay, I guess it wouldn't be advantagious then. I also use AT&T Broadband... All in all, I'm very pleased with it...I just wish they provided more upload speed. My upload has never exceeded 250kbps.

Veno

05-29-2002, 01:08 PM

I wonder how laggy it's gonna be for me. My local dsl is pretty weak, doesn't seem alot better then 56k. And it is also ATT.

OppiumNitrates

05-29-2002, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Lynxfx
You are right, it will minimize but it will not eliminate lag. One thing that is different with XBL than regular online gaming on the PC is that there will be alot more information going through the pipes especially with the voice communicator. Some broadband providers can't support that even though they are still broadband.

I guess the general point I was trying to make is that it will ultimately come down to your ISP and internet traffic. Microsoft looks to be completely prepared for every sole in the the US to connect so I don't think any problems will come from them.

so 4 am on a sunday(technically monday) will make for better gaming then lets say a saturday at 4 pm since most people wont be chewing up badwidth at that time

l Maximus l

05-29-2002, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by OppiumNitrates

so 4 am on a sunday(technically monday) will make for better gaming then lets say a saturday at 4 pm since most people wont be chewing up badwidth at that time

I think that Microsoft will be running so much damn bandwidth that it's going to be very interesting to see what happens. I think it's going to be a success. One thing is for sure, Microsoft is crossing their perverbial "Ts" and dotting their perverbial "I's"

Xtopia

05-29-2002, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Maximus

Ahh...okay, I guess it wouldn't be advantagious then. I also use AT&T Broadband... All in all, I'm very pleased with it...I just wish they provided more upload speed. My upload has never exceeded 250kbps.

Quit your whining! I have ATT, and my upload never exceeds 128! So there! But I do have 2500 download...not bad.
This is wierd though, my granma, lives about 2 miles away from me. She has att cable also, but her upload is 250+. Unfortunately her download is 1000...but why does she have a MUCH higher upload? It is almost double!:eek: :mad: :(

l Maximus l

05-29-2002, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Xtopia

Quit your whining! I have ATT, and my upload never exceeds 128! So there! But I do have 2500 download...not bad.
This is wierd though, my granma, lives about 2 miles away from me. She has att cable also, but her upload is 250+. Unfortunately her download is 1000...but why does she have a MUCH higher upload? It is almost double!:eek: :mad: :(

It would be awesome to have 512kbps...That way I could host four XBoxes on XBConnect!!! :D

Xtopia

05-29-2002, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Maximus

It would be awesome to have 512kbps...That way I could host four XBoxes on XBConnect!!! :D

What does that have to do with my problem? LoL. Maximus, you are always just worrying about you own "needs" J/K dude.
But seriously, what is up with my crapy arse upload?

LynxFX

05-29-2002, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by OppiumNitrates

so 4 am on a sunday(technically monday) will make for better gaming then lets say a saturday at 4 pm since most people wont be chewing up badwidth at that time

Pretty much. You can only go as fast as your slowest link, and in terms of LIVE that will be your local ISP. Got a slow broadband provider, you will probably lag on LIVE. Got a screaming ISP and you probably won't ever have a problem.