Official NFL 2k3 League rules discussion...

[Marc]

We need everyone's input and ideas for the rules of the league. Here's some material that Mentor and I discussed to get it started:

1. All matches should be played between Thursday 8 PM on Sunday.

2. Stats must be sent by Monday morning.

3. Updates will take place Monday afternoon.

4. Teams should play the NFL schedule that is already set up for the 2003 season.

5. THe penalties and AI settings should be kept at default.

6. There should be no trades, since trades during the season are rare if they ever even occur.

7. Roster updates, if there are any, should be permitted, since everyone will have access to xbl downloads.

8. The difficulty setting should be at least pro, if not the next highest...

9. Injuries should be on...fatigue should be off or optional...

10. subs should be optional...

Those are all the topics I can think of.

That's all I can think of right now. Please provide your input so we can make this as close as possible into a situation with which everyone is happy, or at least most people.

Oh yeah, if you don't respond, don't b!tch when the official rules are posted.

[UltimateAg]

Originally posted by Marc
We need everyone's input and ideas for the rules of the league. Here's some material that Mentor and I discussed to get it started:

1. All matches should be played between Thursday 8 PM on Sunday.

2. Stats must be sent by Monday morning.

3. Updates will take place Monday afternoon.

4. Teams should play the NFL schedule that is already set up for the 2003 season.

5. THe penalties and AI settings should be kept at default.

6. There should be no trades, since trades during the season are rare if they ever even occur.

7. Roster updates, if there are any, should be permitted, since everyone will have access to xbl downloads.

8. The difficulty setting should be at least pro, if not the next highest...

9. Injuries should be on...fatigue should be off or optional...

10. subs should be optional...

Those are all the topics I can think of.

That's all I can think of right now. Please provide your input so we can make this as close as possible into a situation with which everyone is happy, or at least most people.

Oh yeah, if you don't respond, don't b!tch when the official rules are posted.

Why is it necessary to play between Thurs-Sun, why not anytime during the week. And what about the teams that are supposed to play on Monday night football? Do they have to play by Sunday night as well?

[lllSmokelll]

hmm....what about Creating Players....and i think we should have a poll to see whether we can trade players or not!

[Chaotic]

Ok for # 1

The games could start Thursday anytime and have to be completed by i guess anytime on Sunday due to time zone diffrences, because im sure most people want to watch the football games on sunday and would like some time before then too play so i think this is a feezible option.

Also please make sure all stats are emailed to me by monday morning and i will update evertying by monday afternoon.


Also i think we should make the options realistic as real football.

So Fatigue,injurys etc.... I think we should keep them as default??


Thats all i can think of, looking forward to hearing some opinions.

[UltimateAg]

Originally posted by Goldberg
hmm....what about Creating Players....and i think we should have a poll to see whether we can trade players or not!

I say NO to creating players. I also agree with the no trade idea, they NEVER happen during the season and this isn't fantasy football, but whatever.

I think the games should occur anytime during the week, say Tuesday-Sunday. That way it allows more flexibility for scheduling issues. And Mentor's right, I'd rather spend my Sat and Sunday watching games, college and pro.

[Chaotic]

I think tuesday is a little too soon considering the updated stats will be done by mid monday afternoon and to turn around and already have to update on tuesday :confused:

I would say maybe Wednesday through Sunday? Maybe add 1 extra day but tuesday i think is way to soon ???


And i say no to create a player and no to trading players since it never happens, lets try to keep this as realistic as possible.

[peejay2288]

I think we should not create players. I also say that fatigue SHOULD be on. We should make this as realistic as possible. Also when are we planning to start? certainly not Nov. 15. We need to get some time for everybody to get their Xbox Live hooked up. I say during that time...we can trade but when we trade we have to actually contact the person that has that team so that nobody has the same players and it's fair. Just is just a suggestion that I have. Some people only have to trade if they want to. I know I would probably trade if I had salary cap issues and wanted to get rid of a "big-name" player. O well Just let me know what you think.

[DZNUTZ]

injuries -on
fatigue-on
trades-no
draft-no
create your own player -HELL NO
what do u mean stats? besides win/loss...other stats would be very hard to keep track of. wouldn't they?
i think at the very least wens-sunday if not tues-sunday.
all email address's and xba screen names should oviously be provided for all for better ease on cordnating game times.


:rolleyes: my 2 cents :rolleyes:

[lllSmokelll]

go vote in my poll!!

[Chaotic]

Originally posted by DZNUTZ
injuries -on
fatigue-on
trades-no
draft-no
create your own player -HELL NO
what do u mean stats? besides win/loss...other stats would be very hard to keep track of. wouldn't they?
i think at the very least wens-sunday if not tues-sunday.
all email address's and xba screen names should oviously be provided for all for better ease on cordnating game times.


:rolleyes: my 2 cents :rolleyes:


The spreadsheet i have created in the offical 2k3 thread will keep the ongoing stats i.e Wins,Losses,Your PA,PF and your overall record it shouldnt be hard to keep track of , im also going to be getting rid of some of the columns of uneccassary stats.


Like division crap, NFC,AFC etc... like we really need that.

[Casper]

Originally posted by UltimateAg
I think the games should occur anytime during the week, say Tuesday-Sunday. That way it allows more flexibility for scheduling issues. And Mentor's right, I'd rather spend my Sat and Sunday watching games, college and pro.

Good idea mate :) But start on Wed., that would be better

I assume that it should be a consensual agreement between opponents about the game time.

No creating players, and no cheats...no matter what...I say anything along those lines, shall be automatic forfeit ;)

[xboxmaster2002]

what about the game lenth is it going to be a full game or like 5 minute quarters?

[Marc]

game length is up for discussion...i owuld say no more than ten minute quarters...anything from 5-10 minute quarters.

[Chaotic]

I think we should go 5 minute.

[CrazyCougar]

Injuries - On
Fatigue - On
Trades - No
Create a Player - No
5 minutes maybe to short but 15 defintiely too long. Can we goe 7 or 8? Or must it be in increments of 5? Guess we'll find out.
Anyway, very little time to play on Sunday! Games are on from 12:00 Noon til 12:00 midnight basically! Iw atch all the football I can. I also watch the Penn State Game on Saturday which will imit my time. I think we definitely need that extra day. Just my thoughts.

[peejay2288]

Originally posted by CrazyCougar
Injuries - On
Fatigue - On
Trades - No
Create a Player - No
5 minutes maybe to short but 15 defintiely too long. Can we goe 7 or 8? Or must it be in increments of 5? Guess we'll find out.
Anyway, very little time to play on Sunday! Games are on from 12:00 Noon til 12:00 midnight basically! Iw atch all the football I can. I also watch the Penn State Game on Saturday which will imit my time. I think we definitely need that extra day. Just my thoughts.

I usually do 7 on my sports games. That's the best one.

[Chaotic]

yea 7 sounds good to me also, its almost inbetween and i think i would rather lean to the shorter time then go to 8.

[xboxtito]

everything sounds good count me in.

[Dutch_72]

Trades - no
Create Player - no
Fatigue - yes
Game Time 5 to 8 mins is fine by me.
Wed-Sunday Games

How do we handle games that don't get played? Make them up? Forfeits?

Injuries don't carry over I to next game i assume?


Dutch

[Marc]

There should not ever be a time when a game isn't played. The only way injuries will carry over is if Sega has implemented some type of online league manager. 7 minutes seems to be the best amount of time to play. Create a player and trades are a big no from me.

[SkoalMint]

Trade - No
Create A Player - Definitely No
Injuries - Yes
Fatigue - Yes
Penalties - Default
Subs - Yes- Especially if fatigue is on
Game Time - 5-10 Minutes - 7 seems to be the consensus so far and that works for me.
I think Wednesday-Sunday would be best for scheduling games.

On a side note, if playing on XBConnect is an option, are we going to look at starting the season there or are we just going to wait for XBLive? Too bad XBLive won't be available until Nov 15. Would be nice if we could match our season up with the NFL season.

[Chaotic]

so far i agree with those rules i also think if XBC works then we should start the league.

[peejay2288]

Originally posted by TheMentorsXbox
so far i agree with those rules i also think if XBC works then we should start the league.

The only time xbc ever worked for me was when I first got it.:(
Then it just stopped working. See my thread in the xbconnect technical support. Can the ones that have trouble with xb connect use gamespy???

[Chaotic]

I guess whatever way works for you to get connected online then go for it as long as your positive you can get online.

[peejay2288]

Originally posted by TheMentorsXbox
I guess whatever way works for you to get connected online then go for it as long as your positive you can get online.

cool

[JADE8704]

you also have to address the fact that people cannot abandon a game( i hated this while playing nfl 2k1 on dreamcast...i'd be winning and then the person would just leave because they didn't want to lose)

[JADE8704]

i forgot...for my above post, there should be a penalty for people who do that



**edit**
also, what do you do if someone doesn't show up for a game? can there be make-ups?

[peejay2288]

Originally posted by JADE8704
you also have to address the fact that people cannot abandon a game( i hated this while playing nfl 2k1 on dreamcast...i'd be winning and then the person would just leave because they didn't want to lose)

i always did that with NFL 2K1

~ if they leave they should get an automatic loss and a 7-point handicap enforced on their next game. *but not if they have a good reason like they're power got cut off or something. But you know it would be intentional if they're losing like 30-0...

are you going to type all this up into the "official" guidlines, thementorsxbox?

[xboxed79]

injuries-on
fatigue-on
length- 7 minutes
create a player- no
trades-no--but rosters should be as up to date as possible.

[xboxed79]

On a side note, if playing on XBConnect is an option, are we going to look at starting the season there or are we just going to wait for XBLive? Too bad XBLive won't be available until Nov 15. Would be nice if we could match our season up with the NFL season. [/B][/QUOTE]

i think this is a very good point. Has this been talked about at all?
i have no problem using xbconnect if it works, has anyone heard of xbconect supporting 2k3?

[Chaotic]

Ok guys i was really starting to think about this league starting up when xbc or gamespy works, what if the people who signed up for the league dont have broadband yet and are getting it only when XBL is availble? Also if we wait until NOV 15th to start are league that will give us plenty of time to practice and will allow for those football fans to watch most of the NFL season without worrying about playing NFL2k3 ;) I think this maybe a better route, plus by then like i stated before we will all have are teams down pat and if you guys want you can practice on XBC and Gamespy to get the feel of things before the real competition kicks off at least everyone will have some type of an idea of what things will be like, also roster updates can take place at the time you guys are online with XBC and Gamespy.


:)

[xboxed79]

im cool with that i guess, i guess theres no chance of all of us being beta testers...
to make up for lost time, should we play two games a week when we do start?

[Chaotic]

No just 1 game a week from Wednesday - Sunday

The stats have to be in by monday morning, meaning the scores of everyones game.

[xboxed79]

thats the way i wanted it but i figured if we were starting mid november that we would be behind...
i guess it really doesnt matter when we finish the league...

well ill be looking for you guys on xbconnect for some practice..

[Chaotic]

Yea it doesnt matter when we finish the league doing it later may actually workout best because it will give everyone more time and wont interrupt with most of the regular nfl season.

[xboxed79]

Originally posted by TheMentorsXbox
Yea it doesnt matter when we finish the league doing it later may actually workout best because it will give everyone more time and wont interrupt with most of the regular nfl season.

...ill have time to watch the games that i am losing my bets on....yeah fun...

seriously though starting in november is cool with me...

[SkoalMint]

Originally posted by TheMentorsXbox
Ok guys i was really starting to think about this league starting up when xbc or gamespy works, what if the people who signed up for the league dont have broadband yet and are getting it only when XBL is availble? Also if we wait until NOV 15th to start are league that will give us plenty of time to practice and will allow for those football fans to watch most of the NFL season without worrying about playing NFL2k3 ;) I think this maybe a better route, plus by then like i stated before we will all have are teams down pat and if you guys want you can practice on XBC and Gamespy to get the feel of things before the real competition kicks off at least everyone will have some type of an idea of what things will be like, also roster updates can take place at the time you guys are online with XBC and Gamespy.


:)

Good points. I know I'm definitely going to need some practice with the Texans. :D

[DZNUTZ]

Originally posted by TheMentorsXbox
so far i agree with those rules i also think if XBC works then we should start the league.

whoa..i thought this was all gonna go down via xboxlive?

[Marc]

It is...there is no OFFICIAL preaseason, but it's a free country and anyone can play at any time over any medium. I know I plan yo...if for practice if nothing else. The season and all the official stuff will take place via xbox live.

[Chaotic]

Originally posted by DZNUTZ


whoa..i thought this was all gonna go down via xboxlive?


Sorry bud i should have worded that better the real competition will go down on XBL.

[DZNUTZ]

k....cool:D

[peejay2288]

darn. theres no system link play. i just got NFL 2K3 and it's not supported. darn. gotta wait 3 friggin months! o well:p

[xboxtito]

Ok NFL 2K3 doesnt have a system link thats ok we can still practice against the cpu so went XBL starts we will be ready

[peejay2288]

Originally posted by xboxtito
Ok NFL 2K3 doesnt have a system link thats ok we can still practice against the cpu so went XBL starts we will be ready

yea, but i still wish it had system link. I'll just have to practice against the cpu. Has anyone seen a practice mode on the game yet?

[Marc]

yeah, there is a practice mode...i used it to practice field goals...

[peejay2288]

Originally posted by Marc
yeah, there is a practice mode...i used it to practice field goals...

How do you get to it?

[Marc]

go to game modes...it is there...franchise, season, practice, situation.

[Chaotic]

TTT

since im getting a lot of emails about the rules hear is what we have discussed i will add something to the website witht the offical rules!

[robnyack]

I was commish for a Madden for the PC online league for 5 seasons. Very fun successful league. Here is some stuff from our charter that you might want to consider:


The league is built upon straight play, sportsmanship and good honest competition. Many are familiar with the term "cheese". Most of the rules of the OFL are designed to eliminate and discourage "cheese".

What is "Cheese" Play and "Straight" Play?

"cheese" play and "straight" play can be fairly ambiguous, so in an effort to try and give some definition to the meanings we will briefly define what we feel these terms mean.

Cheese Play - any play or tactic that takes advantage of an A.I. flaw in Madden and allows for an unrealistic success rate of the play or tactic.

Straight Play - this essentially means the OFL strives to closely mirror the NFL, in strategy, playcalling, and action on the playing field as much as possible.

We do not need to spell out every cheese play or every situation where straight play is not being followed. It's usually very apparent who is "cheesing" and who is being "cheesed". There is a simple code of conduct, a gentleman's code of conduct: play the game with gusto and in the spirit of what a real NFL game would be played.

1) Every owner in this league is guaranteed access to a league official to discuss problems and concerns.
2) Every owner is expected to diversify their games as much as possible. An NFL team does not run the same play 20 times a game, and neither should you. Open your game up. DIVERSIFY. Call a good smartly diversified game.
3) Play the game fairly and realistically. You know when you are not and so will the league!!!
4) Every owner has the right to make a good faith effort to try and get their game in.
5) Every owner has the right to be treated with common courtesy and respect from everyone in the league. The OFL will not tolerate owners abusing other owners.


During gameplay, you are following the gentleman's code of conduct (NO CHEESE!!!). Play fairly, and conduct your strategy and actions to closely resemble real NFL coaching and play. Repeated violations of the gentleman's code of conduct will NOT be tolerated.

4th Down Rule – You must inform your opponent if you are not going to kick on 4th down.
1) You cannot go for if you are up 10 or more points.
2) If you are down, you may go for it if:
- you are inside your opponents 45yd line
- and it’s 4th and 4 or less
EXCEPTIONS:
1) If 4th Q, and losing team is down by 10 or more points, they may go for it on 4th anytime
2) With 3 minutes or less left in game, losing team can go for it at his own discretion.
3) 4th and goal inside your opponent’s 3yard line: ALWAYS the coach's discretion


Passing –
Please try to not drop back 15 to 20 yards each time you attempt a pass. It’s just not realistic, and it can be rather annoying to your opponent. It really isn’t necessary, there are more realistic ways to avoid the rush. I think most who are guilty of this, do so, simply out of bad habit. Work at it, and you will see it can be done.


Appropriate Defenses -
Teams must put field a defense that is appropriate for the called play. If a FG is called, the defense must put it's FG unit on the field, etc.

Player Substitutions - Players on offense cannot play defense.
QB - can only line up at QB
HB - can play FB and can be substituted at TE or WR
FB - can also be played at HB, TE, WR
WR- can play TE on occasion, not exclusively.

Audibles at the line, will at times place players out of their normal position. That is acceptable.


Onside Kicks - Onside kicks are allowed only if you are down 14 or more in the 4th quarter, and down MORE then 21 in the first half.

Game Pauses and Freezes - Any intentional freezing of games or efforts made to negate the results of a legal game will be dealt with most severely.

[Chaotic]

bro this is a great post!

I was just adding the offical rules to the website and i seen you posted this thanks for the info this should be very helpful!!

[robnyack]

no prob...good luck.....if you are the commish......you are going to need it ;)

[Chaotic]

Originally posted by robnyack
no prob...good luck.....if you are the commish......you are going to need it ;)


You dont mind if i copy and paste this and just edit some things and add some stuff do you ?

[robnyack]

nope, not at all....use whatever you like.

[Chaotic]

Originally posted by robnyack
nope, not at all....use whatever you like.


Thanks bro :D ;) :) :cool:

[RapmasterC]

Damn ... never knew about league thingies. Guess I was too busy the days yall talked about um. I prob woulda did good too ... just beat two top 100 players :D

[Chaotic]

Originally posted by RapmasterC
Damn ... never knew about league thingies. Guess I was too busy the days yall talked about um. I prob woulda did good too ... just beat two top 100 players :D


be ready to watch the forums during live launch and the weeks to follow i have a feeling there is going to be a lot of no shows or people dropping!!!

[Dre]

Great rules Robynack.

As for 4th down converts, I think when it is 4th and inches you should always have the option of going for it no matter the score. Obviously, if you are dumb enough to try it on your own 20, its your own problem :)

[RapmasterC]

Originally posted by TheMentorsXbox



be ready to watch the forums during live launch and the weeks to follow i have a feeling there is going to be a lot of no shows or people dropping!!!

Okay cool beans. :D

[robnyack]

As for 4th down converts, I think when it is 4th and inches you should always have the option of going for it no matter the score.

Dre, yea, 4th down rules are always a point of contention. People see it differently. In our old league, we ended up with this 4th down rule because it seemed to be the best way to force people to conform to an NFL style of play when considering 4th down situations.

problem with letting people go for it on 4th and inches whenever and wherever, is that many people will end up going for it whenever and wherever it occurs. And regardless of the outcome (whether he makes it or not) it's just not realistic football.

If you guys have any teams open let me know, I might be intersted if it's not going to be too many games/week. My time committment to my last league was WAY TOO much, so, if I join one now, I would only like to play 1 maybe 2 games/week.

[Caesar SYN]

I want in with my Packers if avail.. I am avail to PLA ANYTIME just ask Casper.. I am a loser with nothing else to do.. lol

I will just forfiet to DZ right of the bat..

[Caesar SYN]

Realism is important.. but what about glitches? Like the Kickoff one?