New Console on the way.

[Brevity]

Phantom Game Console Revealed
Infinium Labs reveals high performance game console, challenges the big boys.
Monday January 20, 2003 | Prophet


Phantom concept sketch
A Tampa-Bay, Florida area technology company called Infinium Labs is working on a high performance game console system that it says will outperform the Xbox, PlayStation 2 and the GameCube. Scheduled for release in December 2003, the new system is called Phantom, and Infinium Labs has high hopes that it can do things that the other big boys in the console space can only dream of doing. According to this press release issued today the company, the Phantom will be the fastest console on the market when it is released late this year and will offer a variety of services at launch including preloaded games (according to the company nearly potentially thousands), cross-platform capabilities (what platforms were disclosed), and wireless and accessory support, online support, seamless upgrade and patch system for software, a subscription service for games for all segments of the market ( casual, moderate and hard-core), the ability to demo games before purchase, Games on Demand, and game rentals. The console will heavily support online broadband connectivity which will help facilitate other aspects like buying games over the internet and the ability to rent games online.

Infinium Labs Says that it will have a prototype ready in March. While it wasn't stated in the company's release, it sounds like the Phantom may very well be unleashed at the Game Developers Conference. Details on whether or not game developers have begun embracing this system are not known at this time, but we'll keep you posted.

http://www.gamespydaily.com/screenshots/january03/phantom/phantom1.jpg

[Cloud Strife]

That thing look kind of interesting. Well, since it's a new videogme system, the Burning Ranger is going to have to buy it.;) I have to buy any system that gets released. The only problem I have with it is No Capcom, Sega, Konami, Namco, Hudson Soft, etc.

[Knight]

It's a pc not a console, one that can't be upgrade.

[Snoopy7548]

their controller looks exactly like the xbox controller

[Cloud Strife]

It has a real tight design to me. I admit the controller looks identical to the Xbox. I'm not sure whether to believe this or not.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Burning Ranger
It has a real tight design to me. I admit the controller looks identical to the Xbox. I'm not sure whether to believe this or not.

You can call them at 877-485-5962 & find out.

[Snoopy7548]

you can go to www.infiniumlabs.com it has stuff about the console. but they say that theres already 32,679 games available. so is that for all consoles, or just for the phantom? and in another thing, it says that you can have choices of over 50,000 games. so, i doubt that you can play like ps2, xbox, pc games on it. so, do you think that theyre just small crappy games, because 50,000 is a lot

[Cloud Strife]

Originally posted by Snoopy7548
you can go to www.infiniumlabs.com it has stuff about the console. but they say that theres already 32,679 games available. so is that for all consoles, or just for the phantom? and in another thing, it says that you can have choices of over 50,000 games. so, i doubt that you can play like ps2, xbox, pc games on it. so, do you think that theyre just small crappy games, because 50,000 is a lot I just checked it out and I'm curious about the thing. I wonder what kind of games they are. I'm guessing it has several older PC titles in the system. I'm going to have to keep a close eye on this.

[Snoopy7548]

yea. if its like 50,000 games, then most of them have to be small crappy games. because there arent even 50,000 games out today (like atari, nes, snes, genesis, xbox, ps2, n64, etc.). all those combined are probly less than 50,000

[Knight]

Originally posted by Snoopy7548
you can go to www.infiniumlabs.com it has stuff about the console. but they say that theres already 32,679 games available. so is that for all consoles, or just for the phantom? and in another thing, it says that you can have choices of over 50,000 games. so, i doubt that you can play like ps2, xbox, pc games on it. so, do you think that theyre just small crappy games, because 50,000 is a lot

That 50k games are all pc games.

[Stifler]

sniff....smells like a failure...

[Snoopy7548]

Originally posted by Knight
That 50k games are all pc games.

what do u mean. like it plays pc games? i didnt know there were 50,000 pc games. thats a lot:eek:

[Knight]

Originally posted by Snoopy7548
yea. if its like 50,000 games, then most of them have to be small crappy games. because there arent even 50,000 games out today (like atari, nes, snes, genesis, xbox, ps2, n64, etc.). all those combined are probly less than 50,000

There's is alot of crapy freeware & shareware games out there.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Snoopy7548
what do u mean. like it plays pc games? i didnt know there were 50,000 pc games. thats a lot:eek:

Yup

http://www.infiniumlabs.com/phantom_experience.asp

http://www.infiniumlabs.com/game_selection.asp

[Snoopy7548]

so it only plays pc games? lol whats the point of that? its the same thing as a computer, except you can only play games. haha, they think theyre gonna rule the gaming industry with that, lol.

[Cloud Strife]

Originally posted by Snoopy7548
so it only plays pc games? lol whats the point of that? its the same thing as a computer, except you can only play games. haha, they think theyre gonna rule the gaming industry with that, lol. If it were to play PC games, that would be pretty cool to me. The reason why, sitting down on a chair, looking at the monitor is not comfortable. But relazing on my bed and playing games on a bigger size TV is more fun.

I know I seem like I'm supporting the system but hey, I respect every single console no matter what it is.;)

[Snoopy7548]

yea, its a cool idea. i wouldnt mind having it, but theres really no need to buy it, and they cant expect to dominate the gaming industry with something like that.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Snoopy7548
so it only plays pc games? lol whats the point of that? its the same thing as a computer, except you can only play games. haha, they think theyre gonna rule the gaming industry with that, lol.

It can play games only made for it too as well as the pc games.
It's a non-upgradebul computer that will have some crapy games made from nobody Company & from the making of this pc.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Burning Ranger


I know I seem like I'm supporting the system but hey, I respect every single console no matter what it is.;)

Do I need to say it agian? It's not a console it's a pc.

[VenoM]

Originally posted by Knight
It's a pc not a console, one that can't be upgrade.

it actually says it can be easily upgraded...i guess just like a pc....i think its a neat idea......sounds pretty cool if it can play pc games....my computer sucks so this would be nice...id have to wait and see for more info first to say if id get it or not though but so far it doesnt sound bad

[No Fear 23]

Originally posted by Snoopy7548
their controller looks exactly like the xbox controller

yea, they just made the middle skinnier

[MerimacHamwich]

Well the fact that it cannot use Any word, excel - type, photoshop - type etc etc etc rules out the "Its a PC" argument. As well isn't that childish? I mean you hate everyone who calls the xbox a PC but then another, potentially better console than the xbox is anounced and you start calling it a PC, when there are obvious differences. Technically it is a computer yes, so is the xbox, gamecube, PS2 and everyother console in the history of consoles. Heck, PS2 even adertises itself as a computer. "Playstation 2 Computer Entertainment System." That does not qualify it as a PC though. PC means Personal Computer. As well a strict definition of a PC has been developed over the years. The thing I am typing on right now is a PC. My xbox is not, nor is the Phantom. Why? Becuase they cannot do half of the things my PC can.

Personally this has peaked my interest. I will definetly follow this story as it develops. If it is a better gaming machine than the xbox, I will get it. If it isn't, I won't. Thanks for the info!
:)

[No Fear 23]

if it is not a console, but a pc, then it wouldnt beat out its competitors. the only big gaming pc i know is alienware.

its like an alienware in a console, minus the keyboard and mouse.



i wonder how much taht would cost

EDIT: just thought of this, if this console (the site said its a console) cost more than 300$, im not gonna get it. i will wait for a half year or so to wait for the price to come down. btw, halo 2 is going to come out around the time the phantom will.

ya know? halo 2+online=nuff said :cool:

[No Fear 23]

Originally posted by Knight
Yup

http://www.infiniumlabs.com/phantom_experience.asp



in this link, Pay Per Play?????

i dont think i would want to pay every time i play a game.


aldo, how come i never heard of Phantom??? and when did they start designing/making it?

[Knight]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
Well the fact that it cannot use Any word, excel - type, photoshop - type etc etc etc rules out the "Its a PC" argument. I mean you hate everyone who calls the xbox a PC but then another, potentially better console than the xbox is anounced and you start calling it a PC, when there are obvious differences. Technically it is a computer yes, so is the xbox, gamecube, PS2 and everyother console in the history of consoles. Heck, PS2 even adertises itself as a computer. "Playstation 2 Computer Entertainment System." That does not qualify it as a PC though. PC means Personal Computer. As well a strict definition of a PC has been developed over the years. The thing I am typing on right now is a PC. My xbox is not, nor is the Phantom. Why? Becuase they cannot do half of the things my PC can.

Personally this has peaked my interest. I will definetly follow this story as it develops. If it is a better gaming machine than the xbox, I will get it. If it isn't, I won't. Thanks for the info!
:)

I call it a pc because it runs pc games, ok if it not a pc & we know it's not a console then what is it? Would calling it just a computer fit what Phantom is better?

[Knight]

Originally posted by irule23
in this link, Pay Per Play?????

i dont think i would want to pay every time i play a game.




I would say yes & no. It will be just like how it is in pc gaming.

It all comes down to the game if it a pay to play or not.

[MerimacHamwich]

The XBOX runs PC games. So does the Gmecube, even the PS2 does. It is a GAMING CONSOLE. I do not see how there can be any argument over that. A computer would fit the system better if you feel the need to call it something either than a console.

[Snoopy7548]

Originally posted by irule23
in this link, Pay Per Play?????

i dont think i would want to pay every time i play a game.


you can like rent games from it. you dont have to pay per play. you can buy games too. but pay per playing is if you wanna just like try out games. kind of like renting them, except you can keep on playing them forever, except you have to keep on paying.

[Knight]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
The XBOX runs PC games. So does the Gmecube, even the PS2 does.

No the XBox, Gamecube, ps2 only run Consoles games.

[No Fear 23]

im guessing that thing will cost 350$+

what do u think??

[Cloud Strife]

Originally posted by irule23
im guessing that thing will cost 350$+

what do u think?? I think it's going to be like the Panasonic 3DO and cost $700. Or it maybe like the Philips Magnavox CDi and cost $450. They were both huge consoles like the Phantom.

[MerimacHamwich]

Originally posted by Knight
No the XBox, Gamecube, ps2 only run Consoles games.

So what is your definition of a PC game? A game that runs on code optimized for a PC? Or a game that appears on the PC? I am willing to bet that the Phantom does not run games with code optimized for a PC.

If you want to call a PC game a game that appears on the PC then here are some games that appear both on consoles and PC's.

Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Unreal Tournament
Starcraft
Command and Conquer
The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
Spider Man: The movie
Max Payne
Ghost Recon
Rainbow Six
Plus countless others.

[Knight]

Originally posted by irule23
im guessing that thing will cost 350$+

what do u think??

To soon to know, who knows how good the cpu, gpu, apu, how much ram it will have & how big the hard drive will be.

[Snoopy7548]

i think that a PC game is a game that appears on the computer. a console game is a game that appears on the consoles. this new console plays pc games, so its a computer. thats just what i think

[Knight]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
So what is your definition of a PC game? A game that runs on code optimized for a PC? Or a game that appears on the PC? I am willing to bet that the Phantom does not run games with code optimized for a PC.



A game that runs on a pc & if that was true then why did they say:


currently 32,679 retail game titles available and 418 shareware game titles and this does not include; adult, casino, sequels and new releases in past 6 months.

http://www.infiniumlabs.com/game_selection.asp

[hiter101]

i smell another dreamcast failure no company and i mean NO COMPANY has enough money to beat out MS if they throw 10 million at this system M$ will just throw 20 at them and buy them out i mean after all gates's way of life if its bigger then u buy it :D

[MerimacHamwich]

Originally posted by Knight
A game that runs on a pc & if that was true then why did they say:



http://www.infiniumlabs.com/game_selection.asp

Maybe they have had people optimizing the code for those games for years. Who knows. They say that it will run on a non-proprietary windows based system. So my guess is that it probably wouldn't be too hard to convert the code. Who knows how long this thing has been in development.

So if a PC game is a game that runs on a PC then what are the games that run on both the PC and a console?

-edit-
Hiter101, if Bill Gates had anything to do with the xbox then maybe your definition of his lifestyle could come into affect. However, seeing as he has about as much influence on the xbox as the departments mailboy, I am guessing it won't.

[VenoM]

Originally posted by irule23
im guessing that thing will cost 350$+

what do u think??

nah...that comapny cant be that stupid...it will flop if it sells for that much...it has to be cheaper or equal in price to the xbox,ps2 and cube...id say 150-200

[tacticsman]

sounds suspicios. If any of those games were big name titles we would have heard of it already. Therfore they ust be those kind of games that come with new coumputers and stuff. I am alwas supisous of new stuff

[hiter101]

The Phantom Gaming Console is the first to offer a bundled 2.4 GHz wireless controller along with the ability to add on additional wireless controls, racing steering wheels, joysticks, keyboard and mice.

*cough*PC*cough*

u can use a keyboard for crying outloud

[Snoopy7548]

you can use a keyboard and a mouse with your xbox

[MerimacHamwich]

Originally posted by hiter101
*cough*PC*cough*

u can use a keyboard for crying outloud
The Xbox, Gamecube, PS2 and Dreamcast all have a keyboard option.

So does that make them *cough*PC*cough*'s?

You people are being the worst Fanboys I have ever come across. Well Burning Ranger and VenoM aren't but everyone else is just as bad as all of the other fanboys out there.

[hiter101]

Originally posted by Snoopy7548
you can use a keyboard and a mouse with your xbox

really???

ok fine then its one of those bootleg internet on the tv things :rolleyes:

[MerimacHamwich]

What about the new xbox? It is suppose to bring you the ability to record TV shows. So does that make it one of those things you were talking about?

You could surf the internet with a Dreamcast. Does that make it one of those things you were talking about?

[Snoopy7548]

most pcs cant record tv shows. so, you couldnt call an xbox a pc for doing that. you could call it a PVR though.

[Insane Jester]

hope they change the design a little it looks horrid..

[MerimacHamwich]

I personally think it looks cool.

[hiter101]

i personally think its gunna flop (just my oppinion stop with the flaming)

i think if a company wants to reveal a new system i think they should wait for the next wave of next gen system ps3 xbox 2 etc.. not unvail it in the middle where everyone is already a fanboy of something (just my oppinion again dont flame :rolleyes: )

:)

[Snoopy7548]

i also think its gonna flop (im not trying to sound like a fanboy). i just dont think that their idea is a good one. i mean, whats the point of buying a 200+ dollar system to play old and some new pc games, when you can just play them on your computer?

[Knight]

Personally all I think it is a Cgi Model on someones HD & is not real!

[shrew king]

I am pretty doubtful about the thing, if it is a success I will be eating my words, but I don't think it will be.

[MerimacHamwich]

You are both being fanboys, wether you like it or not.

-enter every anti fanboy argument ever here-

That is the reason why this thing has a chance. You both are choosing to be ignorant of some facts. Expecially Snoopy. Dude where did you get it that it only plays PC games? Hiter has a point about releasing the system during a period where the three big hitters are alreay established. But still, it will be two years from 2003 before the new ones are released. That would be the shortest time, 2005.

The reason it would flop is becuase of the attitudes you poeple are displaying. Why not look at it with and open mind and enthusiasm. There is no reason for you to condemn it yet. All that can justifiably be expressed right now is optimism. Any pesimism would stem from some fear of whatever.

[No Fear 23]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
You are both being fanboys, wether you like it or not.

-enter every anti fanboy argument ever here-

That is the reason why this thing has a chance. You both are choosing to be ignorant of some facts. Expecially Snoopy. Dude where did you get it that it only plays PC games? Hiter has a point about releasing the system during a period where the three big hitters are alreay established. But still, it will be two years from 2003 before the new ones are released. That would be the shortest time, 2005.

The reason it would flop is becuase of the attitudes you poeple are displaying. Why not look at it with and open mind and enthusiasm. There is no reason for you to condemn it yet. All that can justifiably be expressed right now is optimism. Any pesimism would stem from some fear of whatever.

ppl are doubting phantom bc they are afriad of it being better than xbox, which it wont be. eventho, phatom said it is the fastest out of them all. phantom will have to do something unbeleivably amazing to convince me to get the phantom. i am still a big xbox fan

[Bravo_2]

Researchers have developed a new image for the Phantom Console, as it will appear upon release.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1805000/images/_1807666_nuclear300.jpg
Another sexy angle...

http://cronus.com/images/mushroom.jpg

[Knight]

Just call it the Indrema2. And before I see any Real hardware it's all just bs.

[shrew king]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
You are both being fanboys, wether you like it or not.

I don't know if it was directed at me, but last time I checked, people could state their opinions on a subject.

[MerimacHamwich]

It wasn't directed at you. Nonetheless, I wasn't changing their opinions, all I was saying is that they have biased opinions.

[Knight]

Originally posted by shrew king
I don't know if it was directed at me, but last time I checked, people could state their opinions on a subject.

MerimacHamwich is just a fanboy of a Cgi model.

[MerimacHamwich]

Brilliant fanboy comeback, Knight! I applaud you. Althought I don't understand how you are calling me a fanboy of the system. I am just trying to get people to stop bashing something we don't know much about. Kinda like how the conquistadors killed the Inca's. Somebody could have prevente it but no one did. I am trying to prevent people from nailing this systems coffin shut before it even launches. If it does. I say give it a chance, if its a good system then like it, if it is bad, don't like it. Do not choose to be ignorant. Inform yourself of the truth.

[No Fear 23]

merimac,let them bash what they want. and yea, im bashing phantom. who knows, maybe it will change our mind as we find more info about it.

just like those pos2 fanboys, they bashed xbox, then realized xbox is better than their playstation 2 :)

[Knight]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
Brilliant fanboy comeback, Knight! I applaud you. Althought I don't understand how you are calling me a fanboy of the system. I am just trying to get people to stop bashing something we don't know much about. Kinda like how the conquistadors killed the Inca's. Somebody could have prevente it but no one did. I am trying to prevent people from nailing this systems coffin shut before it even launches. If it does. I say give it a chance, if its a good system then like it, if it is bad, don't like it. Do not choose to be ignorant. Inform yourself of the truth.

Right now it's not real it's only a Cgi model. Wait to someone shows a game runing on it prevent people from nailing this systems coffin shut.

[RadRider]

This is definitely something worth looking out for. Anyone who at this point says it will suck, for any reason, is just the almagamation of every biased fanboy argument against any system ever. So far they have announced the plans they have for the system, and nothing else. At best, this system will be everything every console gamer has ever wanted, and biased people like some of you here, will keep it from ever becoming popular. You know how the Xbox isn't doing as good as the PS2? It's because of ignorant people blind to the fact that a different console could potentially be better than the one everyone else has.

Personally, I don't care what anyone thinks. This sounds like it's going to be a worthwhile console, and if it meets all the expectations, it's the system that will get my money. I'm going to do something most of you haven't even considered yet though; I'm going to pay attention to news articles related to this thing, watch it's development and see if it's going to be a worthwhile venture. If indeed it does pull off what the developers say it will, it's easily going to be worth every penny, even if I'm the only person in the world who buys it.

[MerimacHamwich]

Well I guess we will all find out in March. I hope it meets my expectations!
:)

[Knight]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
Well I guess we will all find out in March. I hope it meets my expectations!
:)

We will see, if it's any good & makes it out to the stores I will take a look at it.

[Cloud Strife]

Originally posted by RadRider
This is definitely something worth looking out for. Anyone who at this point says it will suck, for any reason, is just the almagamation of every biased fanboy argument against any system ever. So far they have announced the plans they have for the system, and nothing else. At best, this system will be everything every console gamer has ever wanted, and biased people like some of you here, will keep it from ever becoming popular. You know how the Xbox isn't doing as good as the PS2? It's because of ignorant poeple blind to the fact that a different console could potentially be better than the one everyone else has.

Personally, I don't care what anyone thinks. This sounds like it's going to be a worthwhile console, and if it meets all the expectations, it's the system that will get my money. I'm going to do something most of you haven't even considered yet though; I'm going to pay attention to news articles related to this thing, watch it's development and see if it's going to be a worthwhile venture. If indeed it does pull off what the developers say it will, it's easily going to be worth every penny, even if I'm the only person in the world who buys it. You make a very good point RadRider. I was bashed and called an idiot on the other thread like this for saying I had interest in this thing. I agree that it's the fanboys bashing the other system that cause then not to do well. Even refusing to play it because of that. I'm actually quite interested in this system. It might be good or it could be awful. I just know that I won't be blinded right when this system comes out. I believe that things shouldn't be judged until I used it.;)

[No Fear 23]

i wonder what kind of games will be played on this console.

they should have a list of games that are going to be played on it or coming to it.

[J Dub]

Bah, this is stupid. It'll just become obsolete like every other computer.

[jhsu]

wow, another contender to the console war. It sounds pretty cool(30,000 games supported? nice!), but I'll have to know more details. What are it's specs? What are the games supported? which companys are supporting it? what's it's price?...until that info comes out, I'm going to withhold my judgement.....it's really fanboyish as of right now to be bashing a system that we know so little about...

[Casper]

Originally posted by J Dub
Bah, this is stupid. It'll just become obsolete like every other computer.

Does that go for the XBox after Xbox2 comes out? Oh, wait, that's an upgrade in a system, right? Well, if this does become successful, then I'd imagine that they will work on an upgrade just like MS will.

Guys, honestly, this will be only post in here and I'll learn more about this console somewhere else, due to the stench of arrogant fanboyism in here...it's pathetic honestly.

I am intrigued by this and it sounds like a very good method that they are going into...I just want to see what publishers will be involved.

I'm out

[wbio]

This looks pretty cool, but I seriously doubt that I would buy it if it only plays pc games and some games made for the console (or whatever you want to call it). I think that it will fail because there are already 3 good consoles on the market, and others will be coming out in 2005.

[Mega Gamer]

I dont think the new consel isnt going to make it. Everyone has an Xbox, Ps2, or a Game Cube. Its going to be hard to compete, with all of the great titles for the other consels.

[ARONO129]

This came out of nowhere. I do not believe it will be marketed. I put this in the same catagory as the (so called) cloned babies...Flush.

BTW. Interesting find though.

[XBX_Junior_XBX]

That thing looks huge. But the design of the console looks tight and the control like you guys posted before look exactly the same as the xbox control, which for me is a good thing!!! : P

[wweomaniac]

I was just gonna post this... 5 hours late i suppose.

Anyway... i think its going to fail for some of the reasons specified before me.

Mainly because it doesn't have a popular trademark name. "infinium labs". hehe.

e3 will be the only time theyll be able to get hype out.

How much capitol could they have?

PC gamers don't like consoles.

3 consoles in the market is too much let alone 4. History has alway shown that only 2 consoles have been able to compete at one generation.

Odds are its being mass produced by one fat nerd in his basement, and he'll never be able to manufacture enough of these consoles to meet the demand of the 6 consumers actually wanting one :)

[wweomaniac]

Originally posted by ARONO129
This came out of nowhere. I do not believe it will be marketed. I put this in the same catagory as the (so called) cloned babies...Flush. Flush again. Yeah will probably never be marketed.

What was the other console that was announced when xbox was announcedb ut never went into production?

something like idrema...

[wweomaniac]

Looks like INDREMA won't be the only idiotic game console idea to come out in the past year.
http://www.howstuffworks.com/indrema.htm

[ShannonX]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
It wasn't directed at you. Nonetheless, I wasn't changing their opinions, all I was saying is that they have biased opinions.

And it looks like your opinions are biased as well. If you guys cant stop with the flames and arguing, i'll just close the thread down.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Shannon-XBA
i'll just close the thread down.

Can you plz do so?

[Casper]

Originally posted by Knight
Can you plz do so?

How about you just try and grow up and look past the dam thread ? :rolleyes:

[# 1 Stunner]

i cant afford a new system riht now!!!!!!!NO Im stickin wit da big green machine:D

[Knight]

I take back what I sayed 2 pages back and I will get it only if it has a 2Ghz or better Cpu with a Gpu that as good or better then the Geforce FX(Nv31 version). And it has to have a VGA & 2 USB ports.

[MerimacHamwich]

I am sorry Shannon, but how were my remarks fanboyish?

[Brevity]

Closing the thread cus of these two would not be fair. Boy's take it to you PM's or XBL please. I thought there were however some great points brought out.
IMO another system is just silly even if it had all the rights to Halo2, GTA: My house?, Super Mario 77 I dont think it could do well. Oh ok if it had all those then ya it would have a chance but it doesnt and will suffer. It would be like planting a fine flower in the middle of a forest of weeds, the flower will not grow for lack of room and light. The gaming market is large but to find a good enough market share to stay afloat into days economy will take alot and I just dont see a new guy doing it.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Brevity

IMO another system is just silly even if it had all the rights to Halo2, GTA: My house?, Super Mario 77 I dont think it could do well. It would be like planting a fine flower in the middle of a forest of weeds, the flower will not grow for lack of room and light. The gaming market is large but to find a good enough market share to stay afloat into days economy will take alot and I just dont see a new guy doing it.

That's why it will not get any good 3rd party support.

Lets say your name-you-3rd-party-here had to chose what console to support why would they support a console like this one? When they can support the XBox or ps2 or Gamecube from Companys that has a namebrand people know about and install base?

[MerimacHamwich]

Why? Dude, please don't tell me you have read the site. Missing the key information about developers would be hard. it is all about the profit. The Phantom advantage would be sales profits! Less money goes to the middle men, infact I think all of the money goes to the developers. There is no packaging fees, shipping fees etc etc etc. From what I understand you download the games. Therefor you are paying solely for the software. Which translates into lower prices for us and more profit for them!

[Knight]

Any Console that can't get Sega support is a waste of Money. We will see if they can get any Sega support.

[Hitman101]

LoL does anyone remember that other system that came out around the time of PS2 ? That thing didn't make it.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Hitman101
LoL does anyone remember that other system that came out around the time of PS2 ? That thing didn't make it.

It was called the Indrema.

http://idn.indrema.com/under/index.html

[EHWfedPres]

the controller looks like a copy of the Xbox's layout...and the console itself looks enormous...i bet it will have 10 games and they will probably all suck...

[MerimacHamwich]

Wow, EHW for someone who gets so angry at people who say the xbox is big, I guess I am surprised at your rather lame attempt to bash the new console.

[Hitman101]

This new console looks ok and the controller looks alot like the xbox's but I have one question, where is the cd-rom drive ??

[ShannonX]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
I am sorry Shannon, but how were my remarks fanboyish?


if you can point out where i said that, i'll be more than happy to provide an explanation. Of course, since i didn't say that, i guess none is needed huh?


i think my exact words are this:

And it looks like your opinions are biased as well. If you guys cant stop with the flames and arguing, i'll just close the thread down.

i'm all for a good debate, but when it gets to where nobody can say anything without calling somebody a fanboy this, fanboy that, it gets old. We can have a decent discussion regarding this new console thats is allegedly coming out. Lets do it without the sarcasm and the negative comments directed towards other members of this forum.

[EHWfedPres]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
Wow, EHW for someone who gets so angry at people who say the xbox is big, I guess I am surprised at your rather lame attempt to bash the new console.

.....and you got most improved addict? :eek:

[MerimacHamwich]

Yes...
You got most underappreciated?

Shannon I just figured you meant fanoy by saying my opinions are biased. Can you explain how my opinoins were biased? I really thought I was being fair. I wasn't bashing anything.

[Casper]

Originally posted by EHWfedPres
.....and you got most improved addict? :eek:

:)

I'm still tryin to figure out underappreciated...lol

[ShannonX]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
Yes...
You got most underappreciated?

Shannon I just figured you meant fanoy by saying my opinions are biased. Can you explain how my opinoins were biased? I really thought I was being fair. I wasn't bashing anything.


private message me. We dont need to discuss it in the forums...

[frog11983]

bah

[ARONO129]

I'm really surprised to hear about this one. It seems to have come out of nowhere. It will be interesting to see what developes. How many of you would consider it?

BTW I didn't see any hardware specs. Did I miss it?

[Evil_Dr_Beefy]

I'm haveing 3DO flashbacks........It should work for the people who are to stupid or too lazy to update their PC.......I use my PC for more than just games....as does most people.....i don't see a reason to jumpship just yet.....I give it a year...if it comes out at all........You know what i want......i want a portable as just as power as the xbox!!!!

[kachingtensor]

A hoax, IMO. Their website sucks, their pics suck, they have no separate fax line, their listed mailing address is a mailbox rental store on a condo-infested resort island in Florida...
:mad:

[pickle]

Obviously its a PC.

I mean 35,000 games???
C'mon... who can't see that it will be playing Windows games.
I guarentee it will be games made for the Windows OS.

And.... it will suck .
Can you imagine joining, say,a Battlefield 1942 server on this thing with a gamepad while everyone else has a KB/Mouse combo? You would get ANNHILATED! A mouse is so much faster, so much more sensitive, so much more variable .... a gamepad just couldnt compete.

[LTM360]

I dont think this thing will stand a chance to survive. Xbox and GC wanted to outsell PS2 and have failed due to the 1 year differance. This Phantom system, is gonna have a 2 year to catch up, No chance.

[MerimacHamwich]

Originally posted by pickle
Obviously its a PC.

I mean 35,000 games???
C'mon... who can't see that it will be playing Windows games.
I guarentee it will be games made for the Windows OS.

And.... it will suck .
Can you imagine joining, say,a Battlefield 1942 server on this thing with a gamepad while everyone else has a KB/Mouse combo? You would get ANNHILATED! A mouse is so much faster, so much more sensitive, so much more variable .... a gamepad just couldnt compete.

Pickle you poor poor ignorant fool. If you would have actually read the info on the site you would have seen that it will have the ability to use wireless keyboards and mice. Ifact every peripheral for this thing is wireless. I do not see how you people can be bashing it.
:rolleyes:

[Snoopy7548]

im not trying to sound like a fanboy. i think its a great idea, and it looks like a cool console.

but, i think that it will flop. it will have to go up against the gamecube, ps2 (and possibly ps3), and the xbox. and i dont think that many developers will go to this new system, since theyre already developing for the 3 major systems. and its cool that you can play every pc game ever made on it, but, if you already have a pc, then whats the point? like, you can just download them yourself. again, im not trying to be a fanboy or anything, im just stating my opinion

[MixMasta]

id be skeptical if this thing ever goes into mass production. do u guys remember indrema? it was a next gen system running on linux, specs better than gc and ps2, close to xbox, and it was supposed to come out in spring 2001. but the whole thing was scratched in summer 2000.

here is a pic:

[MixMasta]

heres another pic

[Shadow20002]

Anyone remember something in the past ? In some articles or sites, they haved revealed that there are compagny want to make something called "Homestation". And now, it's here (maybe). Keep your eyes on it. :rolleyes:

[wweomaniac]

I still think its going to fail because of the:
1) brandname awareness issue
2) lack of time for publicity before its launch
3) probable lack of $$$ the company has to produce this machine
4) PC gamers don't like consoles... even if they played PC games. Ppl buy PCs to play PC games... and they always will
5) 3 consoles in the market is too much let alone 4. History has alway shown that only 2 consoles have been able to compete at one generation.
6) Cost to sell the system will have to compete with prices of XBox and Ps2, and if it really wanted to attract buyers... it would have to be cheaper
7) they haven't even inked deals yet with hardware manufacturers. Everything seems tentative.

[wweomaniac]

crap.
http://www.planetphantom.com got registered. It was still available yesterday!

I thought I would register it today jsut incase it did come out... gamespy.com would have to purchase the domain name from me for one trillion dollars. !! :eek: :cool: :eek: to go along with planetxbox.com planetnintendo.com planetps2.com strategyplanet.com rpgplanet.com sportplanet.com and the list is endless really.

[Brevity]

I bet there will not be a phantomplanet,,,,lol

[MerimacHamwich]

Originally posted by wweomaniac
I still think its going to fail because of the:
1) brandname awareness issue
2) lack of time for publicity before its launch
3) probable lack of $$$ the company has to produce this machine
4) PC gamers don't like consoles... even if they played PC games. Ppl buy PCs to play PC games... and they always will
5) 3 consoles in the market is too much let alone 4. History has alway shown that only 2 consoles have been able to compete at one generation.
6) Cost to sell the system will have to compete with prices of XBox and Ps2, and if it really wanted to attract buyers... it would have to be cheaper
7) they haven't even inked deals yet with hardware manufacturers. Everything seems tentative.

The xbox has the same brand name awareness issue.
It isn't launching soon really. The prototype Phantom is supposed to be finished in March 2003. So I am willing to bet it will launch around Christmas if indeed it is released in 2003. it will have at least the same advertising period as the xbox. I mean, before the xbox launched there was only like a month or two of advertising.
Money is a factor but Nintendo isn't exactly "bigtime" in that department either. Who knows what this company could do.
You play PC games on your xbox and whatever other system you have. I can almost garuantee it. A game is a game, no matter what platform it runs on. People who enjoy the game will play it on whatever they feel like. Then there is also the money factor that comes into play for some PC gamers. Maybe a new game will come out that wont run on their system and it would just be cheaper to get the Phantom than to upgrade.
3 consoles on the market is not too much. The more competition there is, the better. It just provides a better market place for the consumer.
Price isnt a huge factor for me. Especially if it is in the price range of the current consoles. I am sure many gamers feel the same way too. If this thing is truly revolutionary, as it says it is, then price will definetly be a small factor.
Hardware manufacturers? Deals being inked? Where are you getting this information? None of this information is out to my knowledge. Besides like I said before, it is still in the beta period. The prototype will come out and we will learn more from then on. I don't know why anyone would have any manufacturing deals at this point.

I am just providing counter arguments. None of this is a personal attack. Just points to consider.
:)

[Brevity]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
I am just providing counter arguments. None of this is a personal attack. Just points to consider.
:)
Loves playen the devlis advocate;)

[WynnFire]

I bet the company will crash and burn just like the company that made the Indrema L600 machine. Not to bash them or anything but, to do what was mentioned in the first post, they will have to have a heck of a lot of funding and support. I wish them luck! They'll need it. Going head to head to head with the big boys, (Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony) they've got balls.

[wweomaniac]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
The xbox has the same brand name awareness issue.
It isn't launching soon really. The prototype Phantom is supposed to be finished in March 2003. So I am willing to bet it will launch around Christmas if indeed it is released in 2003. it will have at least the same advertising period as the xbox. I mean, before the xbox launched there was only like a month or two of advertising.
Money is a factor but Nintendo isn't exactly "bigtime" in that department either. Who knows what this company could do.
You play PC games on your xbox and whatever other system you have. I can almost garuantee it. A game is a game, no matter what platform it runs on. People who enjoy the game will play it on whatever they feel like. Then there is also the money factor that comes into play for some PC gamers. Maybe a new game will come out that wont run on their system and it would just be cheaper to get the Phantom than to upgrade.
3 consoles on the market is not too much. The more competition there is, the better. It just provides a better market place for the consumer.
Price isnt a huge factor for me. Especially if it is in the price range of the current consoles. I am sure many gamers feel the same way too. If this thing is truly revolutionary, as it says it is, then price will definetly be a small factor.
Hardware manufacturers? Deals being inked? Where are you getting this information? None of this information is out to my knowledge. Besides like I said before, it is still in the beta period. The prototype will come out and we will learn more from then on. I don't know why anyone would have any manufacturing deals at this point.

I am just providing counter arguments. None of this is a personal attack. Just points to consider.
:) XBox was announced in early 2000... 2 2 E3's.
XBox has teh Microsoft trademark
hardcode PC gamers don't like consoles... I'm telling you.
Infinium labs is a whole new company and I don't even think theyre on the stock exchange. How much capitol could they have?
Of course they don't have any hardware contracts or else they would have named them by now. Or maybe they're waiting thill e3... but i don't think they have any.

[Brevity]

Originally posted by wweomaniac
XBox was announced in early 2000... 2 2 E3's.
XBox has teh Microsoft trademark
hardcode PC gamers don't like consoles... I'm telling you.
Infinium labs is a whole new company and I don't even think theyre on the stock exchange. How much capitol could they have?
Of course they don't have any hardware contracts or else they would have named them by now. Or maybe they're waiting thill e3... but i don't think they have any.
I think Senator Leberman(SP) is the sugar dady of this company. hehe

[pickle]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
Pickle you poor poor ignorant fool. If you would have actually read the info on the site you would have seen that it will have the ability to use wireless keyboards and mice. Ifact every peripheral for this thing is wireless. I do not see how you people can be bashing it.
:rolleyes:

I know that... but one of the great advantages of a console is being able to sit.. no LIE... on the couch and play.
A KB/Mouse combo does not work while couch surfing.
If your gonna be using KB/Mouse then you might as well just buy a PC.

[pickle]

Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
The xbox has the same brand name awareness issue.

But the Xbox has M$ behind it. That means MILLIONS of dollars. Dosent look like this thing has that kind of $$$ behind it.

You play PC games on your xbox and whatever other system you have. I can almost garuantee it. A game is a game, no matter what platform it runs on.

WHAT?
It should be obvious that when 'we' are talking about PC games we are talking about Windows OS games.
Saying "games are games, and consoles all play PC games" is ridiculous. Can I play BF1942 on any console?

3 consoles on the market is not too much. The more competition there is, the better. It just provides a better market place for the consumer.

Not always.
Developers can only spend so much time on a product. If they split their time too much on 50 different systems then either the number of games they produce will decrease, the quality will decrease or they will focus on only 1 or 2 of the systems.

Its better to have the competition be between the developers than the consoles. That wa developers get a nice, understood, consistent system spec to work with and they can maximise performance.

Plus systems try to get developers to be 'exclusive'.
What if this new system convinced Sega to be exclusive? Say goodbye to all future xbox games from them.


Price isnt a huge factor for me. Especially if it is in the price range of the current consoles. I am sure many gamers feel the same way too. If this thing is truly revolutionary, as it says it is, then price will definetly be a small factor.

LMAO.... well then go buy a PC!!!!
This thing is obviously a PC... I would bet my left nut on it. Where else would they get 35,000 games? Xbox only has 200, this thing has "35,000" and its not even available yet?!?!?
Obvioulsy a PC.

[MerimacHamwich]

Well I would reply but I don't want to waste my time and then be labeled a Phantom fanboy like I already have been. I am not a fanboy, I am just trying to provide optimism for thos who are actually interested in this thing.

Besides I have a feeling you will never let this go. No matter what arguement I give you will counter act with something that makes no sense.
EX:

You play PC games on your xbox and whatever other system you have. I can almost garuantee it. A game is a game, no matter what platform it runs on.
WHAT?
It should be obvious that when 'we' are talking about PC games we are talking about Windows OS games.
Saying "games are games, and consoles all play PC games" is ridiculous. Can I play BF1942 on any console?

I did not specify clearly enough I guess. I did not say you can play every single PC game on every single console. However, what I meant was that alot of games are on more than one popular platform right now. Such as:
-Halo (will be)
-GTA Series
-DOOM ]|||[
-Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
-Unreal Series
-Quake Series
-Star Craft
-Command and Conquer
-Countless Sports games
-The Tom Clancy Games
- and the list goes on and on and on and on...

Not to mention that Battle Field 1942 would be on xbox but EA are just plain stupid.

[LTM360]

I do not think this 'Phantom' will stand a chance, really though I still am yet to belive this isn't just some hoax by someone who is good at 3D design (the pics). 50,000 games? I don't think even with every game existing on PC alot with shareware/freeware. I don't think there is that many besides, they would have to sign an agreement with every single person who developed those sucky mini-games. That would take years upon years. And its funny that the analog sticks are exactly like the Xbox, and the controller size is exactly alike the Dreamcasts isn't it? Also on that site it doesnt mention 1 single solitary game for this '50,000+ games system'. Don't you think they would have at least 1 game to stir up the least amount of hype for it? If this system release I will be proven wrong obviously, but I won't be wrong with this point...It will fail, all there is to it. There is not chance of this system dominating the buisness when its never even made a game for goodness sake. Its release timing is the worst ever. Dreamcast came out at a horrible time, and died because people were waiting for PS2. The same thing in this case, people will be saving money for PS3, Xbox2, and whatever Nintendo's new system will be.

But once again I'll say this, I will be suprised if it even releases.

[wweomaniac]

-Halo (was a consolegame not a PC games)
-GTA Series (console game first)

-DOOM ]|||[ (should never be a PC game because its totally different from DOOM II and more like Resident Evil)
-Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind (sucked on console)
-Unreal Series (sucked on console. lol ps2 version was funnier than championship)
-Quake Series (sucked on console. specially the n64 versions)
-Star Craft (do I need to say anything?)
-Command and Conquer (lol)
-Countless Sports games (sport games are made for consoles. They shouldnt be on PC)
-The Tom Clancy Games (only game to be good on both Pc and console)

[LTM360]

Originally posted by wweomaniac
-Unreal Series (sucked on console. lol ps2 version was funnier than championship)


Dude what do you have aginst Unreal Championship? I think it's a great game. IMO It's the best LIVE game out. What do you hate about it so much?

[A Helios S]

Strange indeed, i think it might just turn out to be like that one system that was handheld and could play NES games, not too public, i dunno.

[A Helios S]

Originally posted by LTM360
Dude what do you have aginst Unreal Championship? I think it's a great game. IMO It's the best LIVE game out. What do you hate about it so much?

Agreed, I love Unreal Championship.

[MerimacHamwich]

Originally posted by wweomaniac
-Halo (was a consolegame not a PC games)
-GTA Series (console game first)

-DOOM ]|||[ (should never be a PC game because its totally different from DOOM II and more like Resident Evil)
-Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind (sucked on console)
-Unreal Series (sucked on console. lol ps2 version was funnier than championship)
-Quake Series (sucked on console. specially the n64 versions)
-Star Craft (do I need to say anything?)
-Command and Conquer (lol)
-Countless Sports games (sport games are made for consoles. They shouldnt be on PC)
-The Tom Clancy Games (only game to be good on both Pc and console)

Everything you stated here is opinion and cannot be taken as a serious argument in this debate. You have officially been DEBUNKED!

hehehe

[Bishop]

So from what I gathered on the website it's a console to play PC games. *yawn* I can see the appeal that this would have to people in the thread that mentioned things like "being able to sit in bed and ....bigger screen....yadda yadda yadda" but unless they sell this dirt cheap it's clearly going to tank. For people that have high end PC's this is going to be like racing a Porsche with a Chevette. Yeah, they both cross the finish line (eventually). But one is clearly a superior machine. After the $7k+ I've sunk into my pc and another $15k or so on the home theater, I can't rationalize getting one of these if they gave it to me for free. Now before any infinium fanboys flame me, I'm not saying "THIS Pr0duct sux0rs" or anything like that, just that I'm really, really, REALLY not impressed.

:rolleyes:
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[TheCovenant]

Originally posted by Bishop
So from what I gathered on the website it's a console to play PC games. *yawn* I can see the appeal that this would have to people in the thread that mentioned things like "being able to sit in bed and ....bigger screen....yadda yadda yadda" but unless they sell this dirt cheap it's clearly going to tank. For people that have high end PC's this is going to be like racing a Porsche with a Chevette. Yeah, they both cross the finish line (eventually). But one is clearly a superior machine. After the $7k+ I've sunk into my pc and another $15k or so on the home theater, I can't rationalize getting one of these if they gave it to me for free. Now before any infinium fanboys flame me, I'm not saying "THIS Pr0duct sux0rs" or anything like that, just that I'm really, really, REALLY not impressed.

:rolleyes:
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crap crap crap...........

[Bishop]

Originally posted by TheCovenant
crap crap crap...........

Yeah, but it's crap that I'm sure a lot of people would think is cool.


Shiny crap maybe?

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[Corona]

If this was the real deal (not saying that its not real), but don't you guys think that Microsoft or there affiliates would have released a statement diriectly or even indirectly :p to the press!?!?

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Corona
If this was the real deal (not saying that its not real), but don't you guys think that Microsoft or there affiliates would have released a statement diriectly or even indirectly :p to the press!?!?

Not necessarily. Doubtful that they view this as competition, as it really is a seperate entity all together. The best comparison I can think of is Dell or Compaq not releasing any "formal statement" when webTV came out. Yes, people could have one of those instead of a computer to browse the web, but is by no means a replacement for a computer. I say this will die in preproduction, and at the very most, 6 months after release. Especially with computer prices as low as they are, and any junkie like myself being totally unwilling to settle for a prefabricated computer. I admit I spent way more on my computer than anyone I've ever heard of, but even the "average computer gamer" isn't gonna shell out that much cash for a static config machine. I'll say it again, dead in the waters waiting to be scuttled.

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