Oicw

[Slayer02]

Obviously this is the best rifle, but I wonder why the designers claim this to be nearly a real sim of war (1 shot your gone most of the time, 2 or 3 finishes ya.) but didn't make the weapons realistic. Im guessing balance? The OICW is supposed to shoot HE bullets (i.e. each bullet should make an explosion capable of taking out light armor such as jeeps in a single well placed shot.) no to mention the programming and targeting? For those of you who don't know much about the OICW real version (will be produced and equiped to soldiers in 2008) buy or read the recent special edition of Popular Science. I can see changing the weapon to make it balanced but if your going to make it a total different weapon why put it in?

[JJaX]

Yes, we only get the rifle part of the OICW. We all know the OICW hooks up to your eye and all that cool stuff. Truly a weapon designed for the modern soldier.

Why put it in the game? Ever notice the intro "The year is 2008"

If it wasnt in the game people would |3itch and moan "Waaah, why isnt the OICW in the game"

I think the weapon balance is fine. The only real edge the OCIW gives you in GR is the 6 round GL. Other guns give you more zoom, less recoil and faster calibration. Its all about how you wanna play the game. Dont get me wrong, i love my OICW, but im getting fond of other guns as well.

The OICW cant do the things it was designed to do in this game, for example you cant aim the gun around a corner and have a targeting image show up in your eye.

How do you go about simulating all of the OICWs functions in a "game" without altering the gameplay as a whole?

[Slayer02]

Exactly what I was thinking, I just thinks its kind of lame they changed the oicw to fit the game. Of course it would be lame to change a great game like GR to fit a gun.:rolleyes: Well, oh well. Still explosive rounds would be soooooooooo cool. Lol, that would be so unbalanced though.

[# 1 Stunner]

ive never actually used oic but when i did i noticed that it was accurate and just took 2-3 shot to take a guy down.what i waanna no is what ur tryin to get at , i dont really understand

[Kraft]

2 or 3 shots? I've never wasted more than 1 :) As for real life, a lot of these guns are toned down a bit, as a saw would actually tear you apart if you took too many rounds.

[Slayer02]

Yeah, still though lol. Im trying to point out that they TOTALLY jacked the oicw. I mean its not even the oicw anymore lol. it should be groicw lol. :eek: :p

[JJaX]

Originally posted by # 1 Stunner
ive never actually used oic but when i did i noticed that it was accurate and just took 2-3 shot to take a guy down.what i waanna no is what ur tryin to get at , i dont really understand

http://www.hkpro.com/oicwcasing.jpg
http://www.hkpro.com/oicwstripped.jpg
http://www.hkpro.com/oicwammoint.jpg
20mm expolosive slug




Slayer is saying that the OICW in GR doesnt really do everything a real OICW can do.

Read this

The Objective Individual Combat Weapon Advanced Technology Demonstration (ATD) provides an enhanced capability for the 21st century infantryman, with the potential to selectively replace the M16 rifle, M203 grenade launcher, and M4 carbine. The fire control system (FCS), using a laser range finder, pinpoints the precise target range at which the HE round will burst and relays this information to the 20mm ammunition fuzing system. Fragments from the bursting munition will defeat PASGT armor. The sighting system provides full 24-hour capability by employing uncooled IR sensor technology for night vision.

Specific goals include demonstration of hit probability greater than 0.5 out to 500 meters and 0.3 to 0.5 out to 1,000 meters. Effectiveness against personnel and light armor targets, given a hit, will be greater than those of the M433 High Explosive Dual Purpose cartridge fired from the M203 Grenade Launcher and the M855 cartridge fired from the M16A2 rifle. Specific goals include a 0.5 probability of incapacitation to 300 meters (point target) and a 0.2 probability of incapacitation to 300 meters (defilade target) in FY99.

Program guidelines were derived from the Small Arms Master Plan (SAMP) and Joint Service Small Arms Master Plan (JSSAMP). OICW-ATD is managed by JSSAP and will provide superior firepower to the U.S. Army, Marine Corps, Air Force, Special Operations Command, Navy, and Coast Guard.
On 04 August 2000 Alliant Techsystems Integrated Defense Co., LLC, Hopkins, Minn., was awarded a $6,946,000 increment as part of a $95,426,483 cost-plus-award-fee contract for research and development to advance the state-of-the-art Objective Individual Combat Weapon (OICW), Program Definition and Risk Reduction (PD&RR). Work will be performed in Hopkins, Minn., and is expected to be completed in the third quarter of FY04. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. There was an announcement in the Commerce Business Daily on Nov. 5, 1999, and one bid was received.

Key Program Capabilities


500 percent increase in probability of incapacitation
New soldier capability to defeat targets in defilade
Effective range to 1,000 meters
Day/night fire control; wireless weapon interface
Substantial weight reduction
Ergonomic design

System Features

Lethality Capability: 20MM High Explosive (Air Bursting) projectiles and 5.56MM Kinetic Energy projectiles
Weapon Length: < 33 in
Weapon Weight: < 12 lbs
Rates of Fire: 20MM - 10 RPM, 5.56MM - equal to M16A2
Range: 20MM - 1,000 meters, 5.56MM equal to or better than M16A2.
Combination 5.56mm and 20mm HE
Single trigger control for both barrels
Ambidextrous weapon and switches
Simple red dot day/night sighting system
Laser adjustment for targets in buildings and in defilade
Unique recoil mitigation and tactical operational awareness

Technology Advancements

Weapon recoil mitigation
Fuzing miniaturization and accuracy
Warhead performance and packaging
Target acquisition and man in the loop
Laser ranging accuracy at extended ranges
Extensive composite use

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/oicw.htm

The most impressive and useful feature of these munitions is their airburst capability. "The fuzing technology is key to our system," says Alliant program manager Michael C. Moore. He explains that a laser rangefinder pinpoints the precise distance at which the fragmenting round needs to detonate, killing the enemy even if he is hiding behind trees or walls, or in trenches.

The Army Infantry Center in Fort Benning, Ga., charged with evaluating new technologies and tactics, agrees. The OICW can take out the types of targets that in the past required an M16 equipped with an M203 grenade launcher. The difference is that the OICW can do the job with pinpoint accuracy. This is a critical advantage when enemies hide among civilians--a prime survival tactic in urban warfare. And the OICW's range of 1000 meters is five times greater than what an M16 equipped with an M203 can achieve


Ack whatever, you get the point. Just type "OICW" in yahoo or something. Read up.

[Slayer02]

Very nice post JJax :cool: Now thats what im talking about *dreams of shooting a 20mm slug in GR...* *drools* lol, :D

[JJaX]

Originally posted by Slayer02
Very nice post JJax :cool: Now thats what im talking about *dreams of shooting a 20mm slug in GR...* *drools* lol, :D

;)

Hell yeah!

I wonder if i has $12,000 to blow i could get me a OICW. THat would be sweet :cool:

[Snake Eyez]

I want to get one of those. I don't need one, but I definitly want one. I can keep it in my Hummer that I'll be getting years down the road.

[# 1 Stunner]

Originally posted by Snake Eyez
I want to get one of those. I don't need one, but I definitly want one. I can keep it in my Hummer that I'll be getting years down the road. how can u afford dat yo?hah man i saw one of them them things are tight. also damn that thing is sweet as hell man .id rather have a pkm though lol:D ;)

[# 1 Stunner]

also what kin of people in the miltatry actually use that thing?

[canadianboi3]

If I move to the hood, I'm gonna pack one of those bad-boys lol.

[# 1 Stunner]

Originally posted by canadianboi3
If I move to the hood, I'm gonna pack one of those bad-boys lol. i no that thing is souped up.:D

[Slayer02]

PKM is used primarily in Russia. OICW will first be used by elite soldiers such as Navy S.E.a.Ls and Rangers, then maybe 1 - 2 years later normal infantry will be equipped with it. I believe you have to be a military officer to purchase an OICW.

[# 1 Stunner]

Originally posted by Slayer02
PKM is used primarily in Russia. OICW will first be used by elite soldiers such as Navy S.E.a.Ls and Rangers, then maybe 1 - 2 years later normal infantry will be equipped with it. I believe you have to be a military officer to purchase an OICW. yea i looked upsum of them guns on this game,7.62,m60 and these things are sweet. and yeah that pkm stand for like damn i dunno sum big russian words.and yea and this pkm thing huge i dont see how u could carry it

[Snake Eyez]

Originally posted by # 1 Stunner
how can u afford dat yo?hah man i saw one of them them things are tight. also damn that thing is sweet as hell man .id rather have a pkm though lol:D ;)

Notice I said I'll try to get it years down the road. I'm in Med School right now and after I pay of my student loans I could spend the money on one. Doctors do pretty well in the financial region.

[# 1 Stunner]

Originally posted by Snake Eyez
Notice I said I'll try to get it years down the road. I'm in Med School right now and after I pay of my student loans I could spend the money on one. Doctors do pretty well in the financial region. lol hell yeah,espicially in my town,its a small town so thats who every one goes to so he racks up the dough

[Snake Eyez]

Originally posted by # 1 Stunner
lol hell yeah,espicially in my town,its a small town so thats who every one goes to so he racks up the dough

Not as much as in the past, but I enjoy the work and the challenge. Plus think of all the toys that I could buy.

[Slayer02]

Let me get this straight. An OICW thread turned into a doctor chatting thread? LOL

[# 1 Stunner]

Originally posted by Slayer02
Let me get this straight. An OICW thread turned into a doctor chatting thread? LOL its amazing how things can change so fast aint it? lol yep, i dont wanna go to highschool mainly because i cant talk to colleges about playin ball plus i get sum nice toys from them lol.:D

[Snake Eyez]

Originally posted by Slayer02
Let me get this straight. An OICW thread turned into a doctor chatting thread? LOL

But it is related to the OICW because I would like to have one of them in the future. It looks like it would fun to fire one of those. I've fired other military/police weapons and there're all pretty fun to shoot, but expensive to buy.

[# 1 Stunner]

Originally posted by Snake Eyez
But it is related to the OICW because I would like to have one of them in the future. It looks like it would fun to fire one of those. I've fired other military/police weapons and there're all pretty fun to shoot, but expensive to buy. ever shot any of the ones on ghost recon yet?

[Slayer02]

I shot an mp5 :rolleyes:

[Snake Eyez]

Originally posted by # 1 Stunner
ever shot any of the ones on ghost recon yet?

I've shot fully auto MP-5s, AK-47, AK-74, AR-15 (M-16) with grenade launcher attachement. The grenades I shot were either smoke or duds. I have fired other military weapons, but they aren't in the game like Thompson submachine guns and other machine guns that are on tripods.

[Slayer02]

I shot an AK 47, those things are sweet, like no recoil.

[# 1 Stunner]

damn yo,how u guys get yo hands on these things?

[Snake Eyez]

Originally posted by # 1 Stunner
damn yo,how u guys get yo hands on these things?

Depends on the state that you live in, but these weapons are completely legal to own. Here in Florida you can have them and they can be fully automatic as long as you fill out the proper paper work and have the right stamps for all the weapons. There is a machine gun club that meets in Ocala that I have gone to a few times with friends. Everyone there shares their guns and lets other people fire them. I have an AK-47 myself, but it is semi-automatic and a blast to shoot.

[# 1 Stunner]

damn yo thats cool as hell, when i get older and make sum millions ill be sure to buy a couple pkms lol.:D

[Slayer02]

Im moving to arizona just for the guns. Hehe.

[# 1 Stunner]

do u hunt or do u just like playing with guns lol.or collecting:D

[Snake Eyez]

Originally posted by # 1 Stunner
do u hunt or do u just like playing with guns lol.or collecting:D

All three.:)

[# 1 Stunner]

Originally posted by Snake Eyez
All three.:) haha i can imagine hunting with an oicw,haha talk about tottaly tearing aparrt sum things damn.you walkin all through the woods with night vision and stuff.thatd be cool.:o

[Snake Eyez]

Originally posted by # 1 Stunner
haha i can imagine hunting with an oicw,haha talk about tottaly tearing aparrt sum things damn.you walkin all through the woods with night vision and stuff.thatd be cool.:o

It's not quite like that. There are laws to what you can use to hunt with. The clip can be no larger than 5 rounds and the bullet has to larger than a certain caliber and smaller than a certain caliber. Grenades are not an option. ;) I do go in all camo when I hunt deer, but hunting at night is illegal unless you have specific permission from the Wildlife Commission. The OICW would just be a cool gun to shoot at the range and have everyone look at you when you start to let it rip.

[# 1 Stunner]

Originally posted by Snake Eyez
It's not quite like that. There are laws to what you can use to hunt with. The clip can be no larger than 5 rounds and the bullet has to larger than a certain caliber and smaller than a certain caliber. Grenades are not an option. ;) I do go in all camo when I hunt deer, but hunting at night is illegal unless you have specific permission from the Wildlife Commission. The OICW would just be a cool gun to shoot at the range and have everyone look at you when you start to let it rip. could u even shoot gernades at that pplace and tear everything up lol:cool:

[Dirty DeStrO]

You know a sim game must be pretty realistic when you are citing the specs of a technologically advanced weapon as unrealistic portions of the game. Just a thought.

[No Fear 23]

reclaimer knows his shiznit in military guns. ask nething to him related to military, he'll know. thats why hes cool :cool: