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trabucles
09-06-2003, 10:57 PM
I was watching trailers of both games at gametrailers.com (http://www.gametrailers.com/) and Doom 3 really got incredibly ultra detailed monsters.. and whole better looking than Halo's covenants. I know both games will come out in our XBOX, but which one you think has the better graphs ?. (I know the important about games is gameplay, but at this moment we can't choose which of both got it.)

MerimacHamwich
09-06-2003, 11:06 PM
For graphics I am a Doom 3 man all the way. :)
For me though, the deciding factor on which one I get first (notice, not which one I get. :) ) will be the support of HDTV and Dolby Digital 5.1 / Digital Theater Surround support.

ramprider0
09-06-2003, 11:16 PM
Man thats a hard one because Doom has really detailed monsters but halo's enviorments are really great so I think its a toss up between the two!:cheers:

Shadow20002
09-06-2003, 11:18 PM
I think they will support it. ;)

Adawg
09-07-2003, 12:42 AM
I voted for halo all the way.The graphics are sick and the gameplay will be even sicker...but I must come clean and say Im not much of a doom kinda guy.

cjskater
09-07-2003, 03:03 AM
Star Trek is using the same graphics engine as Doom 3, saw it on tech tv, and it didn't look as good as Halo 2. Halo 2 all the way

Sodacider
09-07-2003, 06:56 AM
this is a loaded question actually, it can't be answered one way and be correct

but i think it comes down to this- doom has the technical talent to put together some decent graphics, but beyond that the company has never produced quality (Doom and Quake may have been popular, but it's a far cry from quality).

Now some things to quickly point out- the Doom 3 designer claimed that he invented ragdoll effects for this game. Note, he said he invented ragdoll effects. What are they, for those of you wondering? In Soldier of Fortune 2, Halo, and several other games, after a person is killed their body is still in the physics engine and is manipulated by its environment- i.e., you were hit by a grenade and you die- instead of a sprite (image) of your body appearing, your body flies up an d lands on an edge, then contorts to fit the edge. That's ragdoll physics, it's been out for years, and the Doom 3 designer really thinks he's the **** for inventing it for this new game.

Technically speaking, Doom 3 has to take superiority in graphics simply because it's first and main platform is the PC and not the XBox. As a reality, that means Doom 3 can take much higher resolutions and be that much sharper than the Xbox.
HOWEVER, on the Xbox, Halo 2 is going to be far superior to Doom 3, and when Halo 2 heads up to the PC, it will again be far superior. Because resolution to resolution, i.e. when Doom 3 has to compete in the same resolution as Halo 2, Bungie's quality in graphics meets and surpasses anything ID software has ever produced.

Then we have to get into the most important part of all of this, the reason that Halo 2 wins hands down. Quality. Doom 3 has got some neat looking monsters, but none of them are really uniquely scary. Doom 3's environments are bump mapped wonderfully, but wait, Unreal 2 had (and has) the best graphics available on the market, yet the environments were still stale.
Halo 2 presents us a whole new world with realistic and incredible enemies. Instead of putting us in corridors as Doom 3 would have us do, or putting us in odd spots on alien planets as Unreal 2, Halo 2 is going to make us feel like we're a part of something, like Halo the original. Without reference to the original Halo I can make this argument--- In the trailer, the depth and importance the graphics bring aren't just in the bump mapping and lighting (though amazing), but are, in fact, in the way we feel that an entire city is in peril, that we are part of a living and breathing environment, that everything we do affects everything around us and vice versa.

John Carmack (doom 3 designers) may feel that his ragdoll effects were really cool when he took a shotgun to a zombie (this relates to one of his early interviews), but I much prefer seeing the Major order an airstrike on a Covenant cannon emplacement. The dark moody atmosphere Carmack attempts to create in Doom 3 may be just what some depressed 30-somethings are looking forward to, but I'll take what is possibly the best science fiction story told in a decade any day (sorry star wars fans and trekkies, ya just dont cut it for me).

Stormlord
09-07-2003, 11:00 AM
Too hard to tell. Both look incredible and we haven't really got to see these things running on our consoles and PCs. You see devs get more powerful machines than anything on the market. Yes there's even more powerful Xboxes given to devs. It can run fine on their Xboxes and PCs but we still have to wait and see how it will do on ours. Halo 2 will no doubt support Dolby and HDTV (hopefully 720p and 1080i) and since the gaming industry is competitive Doom will have to if it doesn't want to be a weak link. I can assume that Doom will do the same to stay ahead or keep up. I say wait a little more to see which does look better. So far Doom's environments look unique and the characters look badass. Same thing goes for Halo. If Halo does implement real time lighting and destructable terrain then I'll lean more to Halo. Right now I'm neutral, hopefully in another month they'll release more gameplay footage of both.

xboxman_1
09-07-2003, 12:25 PM
That's ragdoll physics, it's been out for years, and the Doom 3 designer really thinks he's the **** for inventing it for this new game.

You may have taken his quote out of context - are you sure he wasn't saying that he invented it for an older game? And you don't need to diss on Carmack, he's done so much for video games its not even funny. He was doing 3-D shooters when Nintendo was still doing side-scrollers.


John Carmack (doom 3 designers) may feel that his ragdoll effects were really cool when he took a shotgun to a zombie (this relates to one of his early interviews), but I much prefer seeing the Major order an airstrike on a Covenant cannon emplacement.

First of all, Carmack codes the engines, he's not a designer. Secondly, the Major calling an airstrike was staged, its not like it happened on the fly.

In conclusion, Doom 3 will have better visuals, but Halo 2 will be a better game.

DocHoliday78
09-07-2003, 12:54 PM
Doom 3 all the way ( PC version alteast)

rough_rida
09-07-2003, 02:10 PM
DOOM 3 has betta graphics but i think Halo 2's gameplay will make up for the graphics.

Snoopy7548
09-07-2003, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by Sodacider
Now some things to quickly point out- the Doom 3 designer claimed that he invented ragdoll effects for this game. Note, he said he invented ragdoll effects.

yeah, i think you interpreted this wrong. he said that he invented ragdoll effects for THIS GAME. he's not saying that he completely invented ragdoll effects. the ragdoll effects on doom 3 may be different than the ones in other games.

shapoopy
09-07-2003, 02:55 PM
i just saw a pic of doom 3 it's good but i say halo

Dre
09-07-2003, 03:21 PM
Graphically speaking they are both beautiful games that push the current envelope. If put on the same playing field (i.e. same resolution), I believe that Halo 2 will be the overall nicer looking experience since it was being developed for that platform and devs have some tricks up there sleeves to use lower res's to their advantage. Comparing Doom3 on PC to Halo2 on xbox isn't really fair, I'm anxious to see some Doom3 Xbox footage to make a real comparaison.

One thing's for sure, both games are going to be incredible. Halo2 will be much better though simply because of the amazing XBL experience that is being promised. Can't wait!

KboT
09-07-2003, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by cjskater
Star Trek is using the same graphics engine as Doom 3, saw it on tech tv, and it didn't look as good as Halo 2. Halo 2 all the way
No it's using the same Graphics as the QUAKE III engine.

They Metioned that it's Game Engine is "showing it's age" and Doom III is not even released yet.

Sodacider
09-07-2003, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by xboxman_1
First of all, Carmack codes the engines, he's not a designer. Secondly, the Major calling an airstrike was staged, its not like it happened on the fly.

He is a designer, and the airstrike being staged is still an example of what I'm saying- environment and atmosphere are far better on Halo 2.

Dre
09-07-2003, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Sodacider


He is a designer, and the airstrike being staged is still an example of what I'm saying- environment and atmosphere are far better on Halo 2.

Last I checked, he was a famous engine programmer at ID. There is a difference. He makes the code that powers the game's graphics, but designers still need to create a game using his engine.

I agree with you however that Halo2 has an environment and story much larger scale than Doom3. Doom3 looks like its going to create a really scary sit-on-the-edge-of-your-seat atmosphere though and that looks like a helluva lot of fun too!

Bottom line is, we Xbox owners are getting both these titles and they both will be insanely amazing and fun! :cheers:

OC Noob
09-07-2003, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by rough_rida
DOOM 3 has betta graphics but i think Halo 2's gameplay will make up for the graphics.


I agree totally. Halo is great and all, but lets not be totally biased.

Unlike a lot of people I don't think Carmack is the second coming or anything, but he is absolutely the #1 gfx engine maker.

DIII is easily going to have the best graphics in the gaming industry. ID has always dominated the gfx engine market and most of the PC games out there are based of some build of IDs quake engines.

If you've seen the leaked demo then you know it beats anything out now and looks better then even the glimpses of HL2.

Bungie isn't known for their gfx engines and it would take a monumental evffort to be DIII as far as gfx are consered and I very highly doubt it will happen.

Landscape, monsters type and environtment have nothing to do with the quality of graphics. Those are things you do with gfx.

That being said Halo 2 will be a much much much better game because of the story, gameplay, environments and all that other stuff. DIII is just a shoot em up to display what the the engine can do. Its an engine first, a game second and Carmack has said as much.

Will I buy DIII...maybe, maybe not. Will I buy Halo 2..OH HELL YEAH!

E Nomini Patri
09-07-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by xboxman_1
The Major calling an airstrike was staged, its not like it happened on the fly.

And monsters climbing out of vents isn't staged? I'm sure that happens completely at random...

Bungie said you can call airtstrikes on targets, so it does happen on the fly. The major needed that turret taken out, so he called in some air support. You can do that in the game on your own if you so please. Go read the EGM mag with the Halo 2 special.

SPARTAN VI
09-07-2003, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by OC Noob


DIII is easily going to have the best graphics in the gaming industry. ID has always dominated the gfx engine market and most of the PC games out there are based of some build of IDs quake engines.

Always dominated the "graphics engine market"? They seemed to have missed quite a few years between Q3 and DIII, and have been topped in numerous occasions since (Unreal2 or Halo, anyone?) But yes, Cormack made a flexible engine, so it was constantly being used, regardless of it's age...



If you've seen the leaked demo then you know it beats anything out now and looks better then even the glimpses of HL2.

If you have the leaked demo, you'd know that Doom3 better not work anything like that. But since it's only an alpha, I can expect a lot more from the full version.


And monsters climbing out of vents isn't staged? I'm sure that happens completely at random...


Xboxman got PWN3D!!1!

MerimacHamwich
09-07-2003, 05:08 PM
I hate these arguments. All I am going to say is that I disagree with nearly everything Sodacider said.

SPARTAN VI
09-07-2003, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
I hate these arguments. All I am going to say is that I disagree with nearly everything Sodacider said.

haha, someone had to revive the Halo2 vs Doom3 argument. :eek:

LynxFX
09-07-2003, 06:26 PM
Interesting arguments. I'll just say this then, Carmack is god to the PC gaming community. :)

As for which will look better it doesn't matter really. The one I get first will be be the one that is released first. :)

But instead of chickening out, I'll say that Doom III will have the better graphics. But I'm actually looking forward to Half-Life 2 more than Halo2 and Doom III.

Edit: and oh yeah, I'll get all three of course. :)

ShannonX
09-07-2003, 06:43 PM
i'm gonna be geting all of them so it doens't really matter which game has the best graphics.

xboxman_1
09-07-2003, 09:16 PM
He is a designer, and the airstrike being staged is still an example of what I'm saying- environment and atmosphere are far better on Halo 2

Carmack is the most famous Engine coder in the history of gaming, he is totally different from a designer.


And monsters climbing out of vents isn't staged? I'm sure that happens completely at random...

Nice way to bring in something totally irrelevant. Sodacider said it was beautiful - and it is, but dont act like its the bomb or anything, it was staged. I've played the alpha, and I've seen the Halo 2 demo, and the alpha for Doom III looked just as good s that demo, if not better. Its graphics are insane. Its gameplay...totally different than Halo's, so both games will be great, but I think i'll be playing Halo 2 more when it comes out.


Xboxman got PWN3D!!1!

All the biased Halo fanboys just got PWNED!!1!11!!1+shift!!

Snoopy7548
09-07-2003, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by xboxman_1
All the biased Halo fanboys just got PWNED!!1!11!!1+shift!!


hahahahahha that just made me laugh. lol :rofl: :rofl:

OC Noob
09-08-2003, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by SPARTAN VI


Always dominated the "graphics engine market"? They seemed to have missed quite a few years between Q3 and DIII, and have been topped in numerous occasions since (Unreal2 or Halo, anyone?) But yes, Cormack made a flexible engine, so it was constantly being used, regardless of it's age...



A bunch of todays popular PC titles are based off the QIIIa engine (and they look fantastic I might add) and Halo has yet to hit the PC so I fail to see how its topped any games based on the QIIIa engine. Unreal 2 is top dog for what 6-9 months and how many games are using the engine? Not to say the DIII engine will dominate because HL2 and the Crytek engines are killer too, but to say a console--->PC port is going to have the best graphics of any game (which is what some people are saying) is like picking the Cardinals to win the Super Bowl. Unless, of course, they do a major overhaul of the gfx, and had 2 extra years to improve the engine.


I don't like Carmack because people are always making a big stink about him, but atleast it doesn't blind me.


Now Halo has great landscape and the gameplay is some of the best ever, but pure graphics...please. Get on with your bad-fanboy-selfs.

Thats all I've got to say on whos gfx will be better, just a question. Is Halo 2 going to use all the complex shaders and 100% dynamic lighting that DIII has? OH YEAH! Halo 2 can't because it won't have the ability to utilize post DX8 OpenGL/DX9 shaders and ONLY DIII has 100% dynamic lighting. Now what was the original topic??? Yes, DIII will have slightly better gfx then HL2, but HL2 has that killer physics system:D

Liquid Gears
09-08-2003, 01:40 AM
That's tough.

I'd say DOOM 3

Stormlord
09-08-2003, 05:17 PM
Now what was the original topic??? Yes, DIII will have slightly better gfx then HL2, but HL2 has that killer physics system

That wasn't part of the orginal discussion. It was Halo2 and Doom 3. But really Doom takes the cake. It was made to take full advantage of Geforce 3s and Pentiums. People became aware Doom III existed when it was used to show the capabilities of Geforce 3. Hell some lucky *******s actually got a leaked playable demo. Dynamic lighting and bump-mapping could be done on a Geforce 2 and the ATIs of that age. So if Xbox has the tech then the visuals should be intact. But Halo 2 has gained the infamous "when it's done" release so it could leave room for a graphical upgrade. But so far Doom looks to be the most visually advanced game. All I can say is that if Halo doesn't improve visuals Doom will be the best game to use against your PS2 peers to show of your boxes power and you can use Halo 2 to show off Xbox LIVE!. :cheers:

E Nomini Patri
09-08-2003, 11:57 PM
I voted for Doom III, haven't you guys seen the videos at gametrailers.com? That game looks great! Not saying Halo 2 looks bad, but I think Doom III has more edge and realism.

Cryogenic Pyro
09-09-2003, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by Lynxfx-XBA
Interesting arguments. I'll just say this then, Carmack is god to the PC gaming community. :)

As for which will look better it doesn't matter really. The one I get first will be be the one that is released first. :)

But instead of chickening out, I'll say that Doom III will have the better graphics. But I'm actually looking forward to Half-Life 2 more than Halo2 and Doom III.

Edit: and oh yeah, I'll get all three of course. :)
You took the words right out of my mouth. The only thing different is, those games will end up costing me over $1000. That's because I'll need a new computer to even run the title screen.

mitchrules1
09-09-2003, 01:38 AM
Halo 2 hands down. Those screenys are from the PC version anyway

SPARTAN VI
09-09-2003, 02:19 AM
Anyway, I think Doom3 would blast Halo2 out of the water when it comes to graphics. Considering the small indoor enviroments lets Id concentrate on every minute detail. On the other hand, Halo has to render these massive battlefields and cities, and lacks the power that a top notch PC possesses to give Halo2 all the minuscule details that DoomIII will have.


But I'm actually looking forward to Half-Life 2 more than Halo2 and Doom III.

So was Koopa, but he kept getting bashed about it. :huh: (not by you though)

Eh, here're my priorities: Halo2, Half-Life 2, Doom III. :)

l Maximus l
09-09-2003, 05:38 PM
DOOM 3 will likely have better graphics...this isn't to put down Halo 2 by any means...I'm far more excited about Halo 2 than I am about DOOM 3...but, I'll likely get both. Halo 2 is a purchase for sure.