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Hero
03-14-2004, 10:20 PM
:watchout: source (http://www.xbox365.com/news/zcomment.cgi/article/EpZAkluEVEJxyrTJzC/tmpl/xxt_zc_template/prof/dev) :watchout:

CNet are reporting that the FBI have sumbitted an 85 page document asking the FCC to require all broadband Internet providers, including cable modem and DSL companies, to rewire their networks to support easy wiretapping by police. Everything from instant messaging and voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) programs to Microsoft's Xbox Live game service would be affected...

Here's the skinny
A far-reaching proposal from the FBI, made public Friday, would require all broadband Internet providers, including cable modem and DSL companies, to rewire their networks to support easy wiretapping by police.

The FBI's request to the Federal Communications Commission aims to give police ready access to any form of Internet-based communications. If approved as drafted, the proposal could dramatically expand the scope of the agency's wiretap powers, raise costs for cable broadband companies and complicate Internet product development.

Legal experts said the 85-page filing includes language that could be interpreted as forcing companies to build back doors into everything from instant messaging and voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) programs to Microsoft's Xbox Live game service. The introduction of new services that did not support a back door for police would be outlawed, and companies would be given 15 months to make sure that existing services comply.

"The importance and the urgency of this task cannot be overstated," says the proposal, which is also backed by the U.S. Department of Justice and the Drug Enforcement Administration. "The ability of federal, state and local law enforcement to carry out critical electronic surveillance is being compromised today."

Because the eavesdropping scheme has the support of the Bush administration, the FCC is expected to take it very seriously. Last month, FCC Chairman Michael Powell stressed that "law enforcement access to IP-enabled communications is essential" and that police must have "access to communications infrastructure they need to protect our nation."

The request from federal police comes almost a year after representatives from the FBI's Electronic Surveillance Technology Section approached the FCC and asked that broadband providers be required to provide more efficient, standardized surveillance facilities. Such new rules were necessary, the FBI argued, because terrorists could otherwise frustrate legitimate wiretaps by placing phone calls over the Internet.

Cryogenic Pyro
03-14-2004, 10:59 PM
So I guess we should just give them the keys to our houses too? It'll be easier than getting a warrant. That's for sure.

All these damn agencies want power over absolutely everything and it sickens me.

themoosearmy
03-14-2004, 11:08 PM
It's only a proposal so don't get too worried about this quite yet. It will most likely be shot down because companies will not have the resources (or legal authority) to carry out the process of RE-WIRING networks.

Caesar SYN
03-15-2004, 01:02 AM
...its not like they are tapping you they want access and better ability to do so...

..here we go with all the big brother theories.. and the Mel Gibson movies...

BinaryXtreme
03-15-2004, 01:29 AM
Like they're not spying on us already. It happens now and I'm sure it'll keep happening. I don't worry about it because I do nothing wrong. But yes, it does suck.

Sheeyt
03-15-2004, 06:38 AM
Of course this is only a proposal, I don't think the FCC will approve it, but they might you never know!

I agree in some sorts, but it still makes me feel a little edgy. I mean I'm not hiding anything, but it does feel like privacy is starting to go out the window.

Cryogenic Pyro
03-15-2004, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by TheRightIsRight
Of course this is only a proposal, I don't think the FCC will approve it, but they might you never know!

I agree in some sorts, but it still makes me feel a little edgy. I mean I'm not hiding anything, but it does feel like privacy is starting to go out the window.
They should start putting video streams in our houses now. It seems like that's what they would want. Privacy? Who cares!

SnoochyBoochy
03-15-2004, 08:17 AM
if police could tap into it easily, couldnt anyone else?

Dr_J
03-15-2004, 09:39 AM
Who gives a crap if they do this. Let them.

I'm not doing anything wrong, so I have nothing to worry about.

Only the people who are doing something wrong are the ones complaining.

anarchyZERO
03-15-2004, 09:51 AM
fuxk the police!

StudioAlex
03-15-2004, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by Dr_J
Who gives a crap if they do this. Let them.

I'm not doing anything wrong, so I have nothing to worry about.

Only the people who are doing something wrong are the ones complaining.

That an erroneous position, because the definition of "wrong" changes depending on who is in power. But anyway, why should we have to pay more money to allow the government to spy on us?

anarchyZERO
03-15-2004, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by StudioAlex


But anyway, why should we have to pay more money to allow the government to spy on us?

good point :cheers:

Max33
03-15-2004, 05:55 PM
Forget about it...they cant do this to you...and if the do...forget about it. We'll get back at em.

Seriously they cant do it.

lotec16
03-15-2004, 07:13 PM
Now now, there is no reason to freak out people, they just want to see my L33t skills on live in halo 2 :D

CrazyCougar
03-15-2004, 10:38 PM
Who really cares!!!! If you aint dealin online or setting up a hit on your wife or someone, then you have nothing to worry about. I agree, the ones complaining must have something to hide!!!


SHUTUP you criminals!!! And go to church or something. Then maybe you wouldnt have to worry about the FBI listening to you.

l Maximus l
03-16-2004, 01:34 AM
Personally, I don't like the government in my business...despite the fact I know I'm not doing anything wrong.

This really gets me going because, right now, the State of Washington is looking at an initiative that will ban smoking in all restaurants and bars and "all indoor facilities" in the state. I don't even smoke and this really is irritating...

Why? Because, let's say I owned a bar...and let's say I owned the building...pay all my property taxes and own the real estate. Who the hell is the government to tell me that I can't allow smoking in my building? It's ridiculous...and this internet subject just gets my blood boiling on top of it.

Slowride
03-16-2004, 02:30 AM
Why don't we all just bend over and beg for mercy from our master?

Sheeyt
03-16-2004, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by Maximus SYN
Personally, I don't like the government in my business...despite the fact I know I'm not doing anything wrong.

This really gets me going because, right now, the State of Washington is looking at an initiative that will ban smoking in all restaurants and bars and "all indoor facilities" in the state. I don't even smoke and this really is irritating...

Why? Because, let's say I owned a bar...and let's say I owned the building...pay all my property taxes and own the real estate. Who the hell is the government to tell me that I can't allow smoking in my building? It's ridiculous...and this internet subject just gets my blood boiling on top of it.

Maximus here in Delaware we currently hold the record for the most strict smoking law in the USA. No smoking in doors at all, bowling allys, pool halls, bars, resturants, casinos, indoor auditoriums, indoor day care centers, hotels, etc... People can't even smoke outside on a resturant patio unless there is no roof on the patio. Lots of places have lost business, and some have gained business. Honestly I don't care I don't smoke and it is kinda nice walking into a resturant without clouds of smoke everywhere. But now they are looking into banning smoking in one's own car.......

Max33
03-16-2004, 09:45 AM
I hope I never end up in Delaware.A few years ago I flew up to NewHampshire.I went into one of the airport bars before having to catch a connecting flight, orderd a beer,looked around for an ashtray...no smoking!I was pissed,man I did'nt even wanna drink that beer.I cant enjoy drinkin without smoking.

Max33
03-16-2004, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by CrazyCougar
Who really cares!!!! If you aint dealin online or setting up a hit on your wife or someone, then you have nothing to worry about. I agree, the ones complaining must have something to hide!!!


SHUTUP you criminals!!! And go to church or something. Then maybe you wouldnt have to worry about the FBI listening to you.


You'd change your tune if they ever outlawed jackin off.

dcuozzo
03-16-2004, 07:28 PM
Its all about security, and I fully understand. They just want the authority to check stuff out. These crazy terrorists will try to comunicate through a lot of different methods. I am from NY and 9/11 scared me to death. it makes me feel safer then not doing it. Although maybe a false sense of security.

Madhattr
03-16-2004, 08:07 PM
Being a Canadian this really has nothing to do with me but if I was American I would be pissed to see each of my famed freedoms being slowly tossed out the window.
Think about, how many freedoms are you willing to give up before it is too many? Will it ever be too many?

BananaMan
03-16-2004, 08:42 PM
that'd be lame, and then you'd feel like you'd have no privacy anymore. except when your on the ****ter

Duke
03-17-2004, 10:51 AM
While it's been awhile since I've planned a terrorist attack or sold 10 kilos of coke over XBL, I still don't like this.

I guess I can see the reasons for it, but I think the less access the gov't has to my personal life, the better. I'd imagine they'd have to follow the same rules as they have to have for things like getting a wiretap and such, but those are often abused.

I think any decision that allows gov't easier access into our lives should be carefully considered first.

DZNUTZ
03-17-2004, 11:34 AM
trir..u sure ya'll got stricter smoking laws then cali ? itas gettingpretty ridicuolous over here. you have to be a certain distance from many building now-dz-dayz if ya wanna smoke.

LOL@max33....what happened CC..i thought u was coo with my criminal ass.


btw...DUKE...u still gonna take theses key's of H of me or what?

Duke
03-17-2004, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by DZNUTZ

btw...DUKE...u still gonna take theses key's of H of me or what?

The heats on and I'm having a major distribution problem. Just have your boy meet mine at the regular place and we'll work something out.

CMX Jedi
03-17-2004, 11:41 AM
im going to go on every game on RS3 and yell "kill the president"
what about PS f*cking 2's service

MikeMan91389
03-17-2004, 03:18 PM
slowly all of our freedom is being taken away, im moving to sweden :mad:


but seriously, if this goes thru, itll just show how its goin to get worse and worse.

Ethereal S. D.
03-17-2004, 03:55 PM
Hell, I'm not giving up my firewall to no police! damn them... I'd get hacked so fricken easily if that happened. Someone start a petition! :mad:

Brutus
03-17-2004, 07:29 PM
RAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!
i'VE BEEN LISTENING TO HOWARD STERN! hE'S BEEN WARNING US ABOUT BIG BROTHER AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING WHEN THEY SAY IT'S IN THE NAME OF PROTECTION!!!
I GOT A LETTER IN THE MAIL. MY PICTURE WAS IN IT! THEY SAID I WAS DOING 52 IN A FORTY!
RAAAARRGGHH!
NOW THEY WANT TO CHECK WHAT WE'RE DOING ON LIVE!
IF WE JOKINGLY REFER TO KILLING SOMEONE ON LIVE THEY'LL PROBABLY SEND IN CLEAR CHANNEL AND FINE BILL GATES. OR WORSE YET THE ARTISTS LIKE BUNGIE. THEN THEY'LL START FINING US.
I DON'T LIKE THIS AT ALL. NOT AT ALL. LET FREEDOM RING, OR LET IT BE WATCHED, LISTENED, POKED AND PRODDED.
RAARGGHHH!!!! SPIRIT OF VENGAR!!!!!

Max33
03-17-2004, 08:54 PM
I would'nt worry about it too much , there are too many freedom loving people in this country for this to go down ... if it did it would be the begining of the end.

Then again look how they gave the U.N. (which is suposed to be the model for global democracy)the finger and went into Iraq to get rid of a dictator and establish a democracy.

Hero
03-18-2004, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by dcuozzo
Its all about security, and I fully understand. They just want the authority to check stuff out. These crazy terrorists will try to comunicate through a lot of different methods. I am from NY and 9/11 scared me to death. it makes me feel safer then not doing it. Although maybe a false sense of security.



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin

little extreme but you get the idea.

Brutus
03-18-2004, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by Max33
I would'nt worry about it too much , there are too many freedom loving people in this country for this to go down ... if it did it would be the begining of the end.

Then again look how they gave the U.N. (which is suposed to be the model for global democracy)the finger and went into Iraq to get rid of a dictator and establish a democracy.
You just wait Max. How old are you?
I see so many changes in everything right now. The FCC just passed the agreement to fine artists $500,000.00 when they throw out an F-bomb. I don't know about you, but I see this as them taking away our rights to freedom of speech.
I'll let them regulate driving speeds, shoplifting and other crimes; but at this pace, we'll lose the right to own firearms. We'll also lose the right to have phone calls un-tapped. I don't know about you, but to me, it's NO ONES business what I want to talk about on the phone, or through Live when HALO 2 comes out.
Shoot, in Massachussettes police have the opportunity to right you a citation for using profanity in public. THey usually don't but they could if they wanted to be a di-ck.
If we're not careful, our children, or our childrens children will all be forced into what they can and can't do, always subject to listen to things that someone else deems resonable. I don't like it at all, and at some point we have to exclaim that enoughs enough.

Max33
03-18-2004, 09:51 AM
Older than you Brutus.When I was a kid there was now way you'd be able to hear Dave Chapelle say "I'm rich B!%ch" or especially Conan O'Brion having a masturbating bear.No way.The whole FCC is just a knee-jerk-conservitave-apeasing-response that will fade once the Janet Jackson hoopla has done the same.

As for the FBI tapping our computers...it aint never gonna hapen.The shellshocked masses might let the fear of another 9-11 blind them to the erosion of civil liberties but thats why we've got the supreame court.God bless 'em.

Brutus
03-18-2004, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Max33
Older than you Brutus.When I was a kid there was now way you'd be able to hear Dave Chapelle say "I'm rich B!%ch" or especially Conan O'Brion having a masturbating bear.No way.The whole FCC is just a knee-jerk-conservitave-apeasing-response that will fade once the Janet Jackson hoopla has done the same.

As for the FBI tapping our computers...it aint never gonna hapen.The shellshocked masses might let the fear of another 9-11 blind them to the erosion of civil liberties but thats why we've got the supreame court.God bless 'em.
Point taken. I love the masturbating bear! hahahah!
We'll see.
I've never seen them puch this hard though man. I hope it dies soon. But it seems that I'm hearing about all types of crap that's quite techically, ticking me off, you know!
I hope they don't take stern off the air. I'm really hoping that it's all good in that aspect. But the whole Live thingy and I keep hearing other things, you know: the 1/2 a million dollar fines. I mean, come on!

Dr_J
03-22-2004, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by Brutus
I GOT A LETTER IN THE MAIL. MY PICTURE WAS IN IT! THEY SAID I WAS DOING 52 IN A FORTY!


You're not pissed about big brother. You're just pissed because your dumbass got caught speeding.

Serves you right!

l Maximus l
03-22-2004, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by TheRightIsRight


Maximus here in Delaware we currently hold the record for the most strict smoking law in the USA. No smoking in doors at all, bowling allys, pool halls, bars, resturants, casinos, indoor auditoriums, indoor day care centers, hotels, etc... People can't even smoke outside on a resturant patio unless there is no roof on the patio. Lots of places have lost business, and some have gained business. Honestly I don't care I don't smoke and it is kinda nice walking into a resturant without clouds of smoke everywhere. But now they are looking into banning smoking in one's own car.......

That's ridiculous...I'd get the hell out of Delaware, if I were you. Wow...

What's next? Can't smoke in your own house?

Brutus
03-22-2004, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by Dr_J


You're not pissed about big brother. You're just pissed because your dumbass got caught speeding.

Serves you right!

Screw you Doc!!!

ARRRRGGHHH!!!! SPIRIT OF VENGAR!!!!