Bringing the gauntlet to liberal education

[Sodacider]

As some of you may know (or have guessed), I'm a conservative and am working on the Bush Campaign this year. I'm also still finishing up college, I've had some life experience both through the government (in jobs, such as military and postal service) and through the media (any local can find my fathers publications through the News Tribune, and I was raised to question the media because of him).

So, naturally, I decide to take a politically charged class. Polisci, 'The Politics of Civil Liberties.' I knew going in that the teacher would be liberal (only a liberal would hold a class like this), and I knew that it'd just be me and my girlfriend against the 17 other students and the teacher.

Now I'm throwin down the gauntlet. I just caught the syllabus, and our 'accepted sources' for class discussion (the class has it's own forums) consist of: CNN, The New York Times Online, Slate and Salon, all extremely liberal media (though CNN is the least liberal of them, granted, and even they are a little off the deep end nowadays).

So I'll take it to them. I'm spending a little hard earned cash on a membership in the NEXUS database this year, and I'm gonna stand for my beliefs in the hope that there are just one or two students in that class that haven't already received a liberal brainwashing.

//posted in Debate because this is bound to become a political topic.

[skorp]

Sounds interesting...

In your case just be professional and state the facts... You will be golden.

Don't forget to look at both sides of the issues to defend your case. lol

which I'm sure you already know....

Good Luck! :cheers:

[Koopa]

i'd love to be able to talk about politics and stuff with teachers...but since im in high school there isn't really a class like that..

my history teacher is pretty liberal so i just don't really comment when he bashes Bush (some of which bush really deserves..but i won't get into that:D)

and my music history teacher every now and then talks about how evolution is a bunch of crap...so i just nod my head and smile, but i'm laughing at him inside:D

[Sheeyt]

Awesome Soda, way to take the fight to the liberal establishment in academia.

[The Terminator]

Too bad those sources are the accepted scholarly news sources. FOX is considered illegitimate for reasons that should be obvious, Newsmax is more tabloid than anything, and Drudgereport is simply retarded. I could see the WSJ being accepted, however. The Slate, Salon, and NYT are what all my politically charged Gen Eds used. They all considered CNN an iffy news-source. And I go to a state University, so it's not like they're all liberal, and debates do arise in class, but the fact remains; most conservative news sources are "entertainment" news, and not legitimate for a University setting. Again, the only conservative source that I can think of at the moment that you could pass through would be the WSJ.

[Sheeyt]

How typical, a liberal discrediting a conservative news source. If Drudge is so "retarded" then why are 90% of his news sources linked to Washington Post, Times, Neweeks, USA Today, Wall Street Journal, CNN, AP, Reuters. Half the time Drudge doesn't even post exclusive news, he simply links hot news of the day.

News Max is as credible as Salon, Salon is the steaming bowels of hell for liberalism. It's like a festering hole of slant and spin. I can't believe you just chaulked up Salon as a reputible news source. Salon slants as much to the left as News Max does to the right. Salon bashes the right as much as News Max bashes the left. So how is one credible and the other not?

Of course you don't acknowledge news outlets that give an alternate view of your liberal dogma as legite. You hate anyone with an opposing view and there for do your best to discredit their legitmacy.

[Snake Eyez]

The worthiness of the source has a subjective aspect to as well. This teacher seems to like her sources from the left and discounts others. Well she's the teacher and has made those decisions, whether or not you agree with them. What I've learned from my years in classes is that not everything the teachers say is to be taken with a grain of salt. Everyone has their opinions and their biases. Keep an open mind and form your own decision.

[The Terminator]

You hate anyone with an opposing view and there for do your best to discredit their legitmacy.

Funny, I could have sworn that is EXACTLY what you have done ever since you joined this website. And it's "therefore".

Matt Drudge is a crappy journalist: for every breakthrough he hits, he has 10 fake stories which he passes off as news. The guy takes sensationalism to new extremes. A real journalist has to at least attempt to make sure the news (s)he reports is credible. That is something Matt Drudge refuses to consider, as long as the news is damaging to the left. And it is for this reason that the source is completely illegitimate for a university setting.

[Sheeyt]

In your opinion.

As I said, Matt Drudge reports stuff that 90% of the media has already reported. Why would his site be so popular if the guy printed nothing but lies? He gets millions of hits, because people enjoy his work.

You have no idea the process he uses to verify the information he posts. So how can you sit there a judge him as a bad journalist? I'm sure every major news source posts incorrect information, yet you only slam him. How often has Salon posted something that was bull****? Don't tell me never.

Did you bash the NY Times when the whole situation with Jayson Blair came out? You want someone who makes stories up, that's your guy. As much as you'd like us to not believe Matt Drudge is respected in his job. He may not be respected by the liberal media, for reasons that are obvious but his job is done, just as well as any other journalist.

I'm welcome to other people's views, I just feel the need to point out inaccuracy's and flaws in someones thinking. Oh and not to mention the fact that I know my opinion and belief's are correct, as opposed to your clouded thinking.

[The Terminator]

Actually, I did bash the NYT for that incident, but I can assume they've gotten their act together now. And Salon does post crap every now and then, but not as often as places like Newsmax and Drudge Report.

And you do not know that your opinion/beliefs are correct. 1 Year ago, you believed you'd find WMDs, and the people in Iraq would greet the US as liberators. I think yesterday showed you that you were wrong.

[Sheeyt]

Actually as much as yesterday pissed me off, majority of Iraqi's are happy. Don't try and use yesterday's events to spin your anti-war rhetoric. You know what if WMD's never show up SO WHAT atleast Saddam was gone.

If you had your way, Saddam would still be in power and potential still developing WMD's.

Kay's report said the programs where there and in place. Just because large stockpiles haven't been found doesn't mean squat.

Yes and I'm sure you keep a running tab of how often Salon posts crap in comparrison to Drudge.

[xboxman_1]

Hmm...we have to do political news every week in my AP gov. class...and my conservative teacher says the news sources we can use include, but are not limited to: CNN, New York Times, Chicago Tribune, WSJ, Newsweek, USA Today, Times, most newspapers we can find. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

[MidniteArrow]

TRIR, Terminator... you two are funny. You keep pointing out that the other is doing something, say it is bad, but you are both doing it. TRIR is one of the most emotional posters in the debate forums. I mean come on - you said that you know that your opinions are correct? WTF? Isn't an opinion something you think is true but can't prove? If it were so "known to be correct," should you not refer to it as fact?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy both of your postings. You keep things lively around here, which is much appreciated. It's just funny to watch a pot and a kettle throwing around racial slurs.

[Sheeyt]

Ok my beliefs are correct.

[Sodacider]

maybe a better way for him to say it would be, the facts and evidence TRIR uses to support his standpoints are usually alot better and more thought out than what the liberals on these boards use.

[MidniteArrow]

To believe something is to accept it as truth. Of course, in your perception, your beliefs are true. But that does not make them fact, and your attitudes here regarding this issue are what create some of the ill-will towards you in the debate forum.

The same applies universally to all persons' beliefs. If multiple persons do not share completely the same beliefs, which they don't, then it is logical to assume that some of the beliefs held are not representative of the underlying truth of existence. Given that each individual has many beliefs, and each of these beliefs contradict other persons' beliefs, and the beliefs are mutually exclusive, it is logical to assume that some of each persons beliefs are accurate representations of the truth and some of them are not. It is possible that an individual's set of beliefs are completely representative of the truth of existence, but the unlikeliness of this is astronomical - as such, it is best, in my opinion, that we all approach debates with an open mind to foster our own growth.

[Sheeyt]

No I think the ill will is created by my ability to supply proof in support of my belief where as others can not or choose not to. Again it boils down to I'm right, their wrong. Simple as that.

[MidniteArrow]

Lest we get too up on ourselves:
Again it boils down to I'm right, their wrong.
Don't you mean "they're" wrong? (I know, it's just grammatical dribble, and meaningless. We all do it - but it still is a good example of fallability.)

Honestly TRIR. I've had some negative reactions to some of the stuff you've posted, and honestly will tell you personally and without question that it is the manner of your post and not the content. It's the "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude that honestly has no place in a debate. I know, we can smell our own... :)

[Sheeyt]

I can't help it, I'm simply a confident person and arrogant.

[MidniteArrow]

I can't help it, I'm simply a confident person and arrogant.

Heh. That's Ok, we all have room to grow. :cheers: