Knife In H2?

[bendjonesy]

who here thinks that a knife option mele would be sweet for H2??? I mean think of the possibilities. I've heard some news of a plasma sword, but come on they can give you one of thos things in multi-player games, it would be non-sense. Also all you newbs who think that bg is the "most awesomest" level for halo, get some common sense, the real skill shows on small maps consisting of no more than 4v4 action sorry ppl.

[l Maximus l]

Two points:

First one is about the handheld weapons. I am about 90% sure that the Master Chief will be able to carry a Plasma Sword. Could be useful in close quartered multi-player maps.

Secondly, large open maps require a lot more skill than close-quartered maps, IMO. Take Rat Race for example (a close quartered map)...basically, one or two pistol shots and one grenade = death. There's minimal skill in that. Hang Em High, on the other hand, requires precision aiming from far away to get a kill. Sure, a lucky grenade helps, but, getting three head shots and getting a kill feels much more rewarding when shooting someone on the opposite side of the map.

[bendjonesy]

okay...i put it wrong... by big maps i mean bg and sw...all the rest are okay in my book. Sure bg and sw are good once in a while, but only for ctf games. And if small maps require no skill then how come the official tournament I was at today only had small maps? (no sw or bg) And as for the 32 man games...omg that would be so gay...it would be whoever gets the best spawns that wins...

[SoundX]

I think the Plasma Sword would cover all that's needed. Mhahaha, that's gonna be fun.

Although it would be nice to see him pick up knife's and pointy objects as a last resort (when Cheif runs out of ammo or something)

[StudioAlex]

First of all, part of the reason Halo rules is that you don't have to switch to a melee weapon to do melee attacks. Why bother switching to a knife when you can just whack someone over the head with your weapon? True, a plasma sword would be worth switching too, but not a knife.

Secondly, a skilled player will dominate in any kind of map. Liking bigger over smaller (or vice versa) is matter of personal opinion, not a reflection of someone's ability to play the game. And lastly, tournaments use smaller maps because they make for shorter games.

[MikeMan91389]

i dont want a knife to be incorporated, i liked how halo was different from other games

[E Nomini Patri]

I highly doubt there will be a sword or knife-like weapon in the game for the player to use. What's the point in that if someone could just blow you away with a grenade and some dual SMG's?

About the 32-player game (if it even exists), if it doesn't work, Bungie won't put it in the game. Plain and simple.

[themoosearmy]

Also all you newbs who think that bg is the "most awesomest" level for halo, get some common sense, the real skill shows on small maps consisting of no more than 4v4 action sorry ppl.

Just because one tourney has only small maps, doesn't mean that is the norm for all tournaments. A lot of 2v2 tournys use BG, and it takes A LOT of skill to win a game like that. Small maps (aka Wizard and Derelict) are about 5 mins long at max, which is why big touraments use them. If you're good, you shouldn't worry about which level you play on.

Melee weapons? Eh, I think my gun works well enough, plus I wouldn't want to give up one of my two slots for a melee weapon even if it is a Plasma Sword. You may have a plasma sword but whats that gonna do when you're standing on the other side of the room.

[E Nomini Patri]

Not to mention that you have to keep the Plasma Sword limitations somewhat respectable to their portrayal in the game universe. Plasma Swords have fail-safes that dissipate the magnetic sheath created by the handle (which contains the plasma) when the sword is dropped without being deactivated.

Therefore, you could only use a sword when you find the handle on the ground at its respectable spawn point. A foe dropping a sword when you drop him would render his weapon useless.

So, I see no point to including the aforementioned type of weapon in an FPS game where guns are the key to survival.

Misc Plasma Pistol Technology Speculation: (http://halosm.bungie.org/story/newssearch.html?newsitem=84)

It's very hard to store plasma by itself, because of the tremendous power levels it takes to create a magnetic bottle so that it doesn't come into contact with any of the gun, thereby vaporizing it. Therefore, it wouldn't be practical for the guns to work by storing plasma and releasing it when needed.

I was pondering this, and when I saw the front of a plasma gun yesterday, it all came together. There are two colored metal plates on the two prongs of both guns, blue for the rifle and green for the pistol. They reminded me very much of electrodes, and I thought that it would be much more efficient to have a battery in the gun rather than plasma. For any uninformed readers, plasma is ionized gas; that is, gas that has had many electrons knocked out of the atoms within it, at least one electron per atom. Heat is a measure of kinetic energy, or of the movement of particles, mass of particles and number of particles combined.

When you rip electrons from an atom, you create at least twice the number of particles, so the temperature increases dramatically, which is why plasma is so deadly. One of the easiest ways to make plasma is to run a large current of electricity through a gas, and use the surrounding gas as ammunition. Maybe the guns run a large amount of electricity through the air and turn it to plasma, then shoot it forward via a magnet behind the electrodes. If the plasma guns that the covenant use do in fact run electricity between the electrodes, it would explain much of the gun's behaviors, such as overheating. If the gun stored plasma and released it, it would not heat up the gun, but maybe actually cool it down. However, a current of electricity between two electrodes makes the electrodes very hot. Therefore, it seems that the plasma guns actually run off of electricity, not plasma.

[themoosearmy]

Maybe the guns run a large amount of electricity through the air and turn it to plasma, then shoot it forward via a magnet behind the electrodes. If the plasma guns that the covenant use do in fact run electricity between the electrodes, it would explain much of the gun's behaviors, such as overheating.
Thats some pretty clever speculation.

[MikeMan91389]

lol, yes it is....... i barely understand that.... jk.. but wow... in depth

[The_enemy]

who here thinks that a knife option mele would be sweet for H2??? I mean think of the possibilities. I've heard some news of a plasma sword, but come on they can give you one of thos things in multi-player games, it would be non-sense. Also all you newbs who think that bg is the "most awesomest" level for halo, get some common sense, the real skill shows on small maps consisting of no more than 4v4 action sorry ppl.

So only newbs play BG huh? Whatever dude, but BG is one of the best levels in Halo, and the people have spoken in a survey for Halo 2, saying that they requested BG and SideWinder as the two most voted levels to appear in Halo 2, BG being the most voted. So i guess there are a lot of newbs huh? I agree, it's not the best level, my favorite levels are BG, Chill out, and damnation.

[Madhattr]

Plasma sword would be suicide if you were trying to be sneaky. That thing is like a glowing beacon to all snipers. I would like to see a machete and maybe that shield those chameleon guys have, that would add some interesting variables.

[E Nomini Patri]

I would like to see a machete and maybe that shield those chameleon guys have, that would add some interesting variables.

You have to think about what kind of advantages there would be with a machete over the guns you spawn with. I think there are none at all. A machete would do only a little more damage to an energy shield than a melee attack with your firearms do. I can see no advantage to that at all because you can't shoot with a machete.

Also, a Jackal's shield? Why? Just set the shield % higher. Besides, it would take up a weapon slot because your character would have to hold up one arm with the generator on it, allowing you to use only one one-handed weapon.

I don't think Bungie will include melee-only weapons because they have a serious disadvantage compared to firearms. Think about this, would you want to charge into battle with a sword when your enemy has a gun? Hell no!

[l Maximus l]

It would make sense to me that you could carry a plasma sword as a possible 3rd weapon. This is obviously just a guess, but, it would be cool if you were using your normal weapon, and because you picked up the plasma sword, if you decide to melee (even if you are still holding your gun), suddenly the plasma sword is cast out instead of meleeing with your gun.

Just an idea.

[BunnyRabbit]

That plasma thing looks alot more like a big wrench.. A plasma wrench.. But yeah that thing is super deadly so I think the damage the elites originally did with it in the first should be dramatically decreased..Maybe slighty more deadly that a melee...

[l Maximus l]

okay...i put it wrong... by big maps i mean bg and sw...all the rest are okay in my book. Sure bg and sw are good once in a while, but only for ctf games. And if small maps require no skill then how come the official tournament I was at today only had small maps? (no sw or bg) And as for the 32 man games...omg that would be so gay...it would be whoever gets the best spawns that wins...

Personally, I agree with you about Sidewinder. I'm not a huge fan of that map with CTF. There's only one way in...I can't stand it. If you could use Banchees, then, it would be possible to enter on the deck instead of through the front door. That would have made Sidewinder very worth while for CTF...otherwise, you get a bunch of campers. It's not so bad with a 2 v 2 CTF game, though.

BG is the shiznit, though...I love that map...but, you're right, I usually play CTF on that map more than any other mode. No radar, Warthogs only...please :D I even do the instant respawn...it's too easy if it's a 10 second respawn.

Favorite maps of mine are: (1 is favorite - 5 is least favorite)

1. Blood Gulch, Hang Em High
2. Derelict, Prisoner, Battle Creek, Chill Out
3. Damnation, Wizard, Rat Race, Longest
4. Boarding Action, Sidewinder
5. Chiron

[themoosearmy]

Yes, the only time that SW is played at our Friday night LANs is when I'm not there, I simply won't play on sidewinder. It's just a stalemate until someone makes a mistake and/or gets lucky (whatever way you look at it). BG takes some real skill to command and win, especially 2v2, add instant respawn and its even tougher.

[TOTTEN]

well you retard blood gulch is one of the best levels ive played many hours of halo multiplayer and blood gulch is the only level that still is appealing.
the whole plasma sword thing should just be stopped because it is an instant kill and personaly i hate it when two or three or even more elites chase me and there is no hope to survive(truth and reconciliation) its stupid to have a room with nothing but a whole bunch of damn glowin swords movin around hakin and slashin brainless stupidity. if they were to have a plasma sword they ought to make it 2 or 3 hits to the kill or somthing that makes it more reasonable.

[E Nomini Patri]

It takes three swipes on easy, and one swipe on the rest to kill you.

Anyways, I doubt there will be melee weapons such as the plasma sword.

[FB-Gollum]

Yeah, I doubt their inclusion as well. However, they could be mucho useful on very small maps. Consider, they would have the by far smallest range, but assuming the damage is kept consistent with how they are now, it's a 1 shot kill shield or not. On Longest, Wizard etc. that could make for a fierce combo coupled with a pistol.

[Variation-XBA]

well you retard blood gulch is one of the best levels ive played many hours of halo multiplayer and blood gulch is the only level that still is appealing.


That is the only level I refuse to play because its the most overplayed and boring, like CS's dedust :P