Many questions still lurking for me...

[l Maximus l]

While the first Halo 2 video is bad ass and all, it has me thinking a lot:

1. Will CTF be better or even with Spartans versus Elite? That seems like a seriously different angle than the first Halo where you could only have Spartans against Spartans. I guess Spartans versus Elite is not just limited to the alleged "Covenant Battle Mode".

2. When vehicles get completely destroyed, do they respawn after a while? Or do they remain a heap of blown up metal and iron permanently?

Honestly, taking out a vehicle doesn't look too tough...especially in multi-player. I realize certain weapons will damage it more and others are weaker, thus, take longer, however, it doesn't seem too difficult to blast away a vehicle into a heap of junk.

Also, I noticed that the Master Chief had an SMG, a Needler, and still had a Battle Rifle available...and if my memory holds, he had that Covenant Sword thing, too...all at the same time...I guess 2 weapons is not the maximum anymore.

While I'm stoked for the game...I mean, really friggin' stoked, I just hope they didn't change the game so much that it doesn't feel like Halo. I know this is premature...but, watching low res trailers definately doesn't compare to actually getting my dirty hands on a copy to play for myself on my HDTV.

Just my 2 cents...what do you guys think?!

[TOTTEN]

he dropped the smg and needler when he got the battle rifle and the plasma sword :)

[No Fear 23]

While the first Halo 2 video is bad ass and all, it has me thinking a lot:

1. Will CTF be better or even with Spartans versus Elite? That seems like a seriously different angle than the first Halo where you could only have Spartans against Spartans. I guess Spartans versus Elite is not just limited to the alleged "Covenant Battle Mode".

2. When vehicles get completely destroyed, do they respawn after a while? Or do they remain a heap of blown up metal and iron permanently?

Honestly, taking out a vehicle doesn't look too tough...especially in multi-player. I realize certain weapons will damage it more and others are weaker, thus, take longer, however, it doesn't seem too difficult to blast away a vehicle into a heap of junk.

Also, I noticed that the Master Chief had an SMG, a Needler, and still had a Battle Rifle available...and if my memory holds, he had that Covenant Sword thing, too...all at the same time...I guess 2 weapons is not the maximum anymore.

While I'm stoked for the game...I mean, really friggin' stoked, I just hope they didn't change the game so much that it doesn't feel like Halo. I know this is premature...but, watching low res trailers definately doesn't compare to actually getting my dirty hands on a copy to play for myself on my HDTV.

Just my 2 cents...what do you guys think?!

for your #2 part....i'm assuming that you did not see the demo video (the one that has 4 parts) in one of the parts, they showed a warthog taking 3 rocket shots until it explode. so i think it will be completely balanced, depending on the size of the type of vehicle(atv,warthog, tank, ghost, ect.) the cool feature about it is that the missle locks on its target and follows it.


one think im worried about is the elite sword. its a one shot kill sword at close range, but then again, MC has a rocket launcher to balance that out. but the sword better have some type of ammo in it to limit the one shot swing kill.

another thing im worried about is carrying 2 weapons. even tho they only showed the MC shooting the needler and a sub-machine gun, but i hope they wont allow ppl to use 2 rocket launchers or 2 shotguns in hand.

another thing is the ghost. ppl will prolly abuse the use of 'ghost swaping' by kicking out the enemy. i dont know, but i imagine ppl getting pissed off so bad once they get kicked out.

bah, so many to think about and so many to talk about. bungie still has 5 1/2 months left to finish perfecting it to flawless.

[TOTTEN]

for your #2 part....i'm assuming that you did not see the demo video (the one that has 4 parts) in one of the parts, they showed a warthog taking 3 rocket shots until it explode. so i think it will be completely balanced, depending on the size of the type of vehicle(atv,warthog, tank, ghost, ect.) the cool feature about it is that the missle locks on its target and follows it.


one think im worried about is the elite sword. its a one shot kill sword at close range, but then again, MC has a rocket launcher to balance that out. but the sword better have some type of ammo in it to limit the one shot swing kill.

another thing im worried about is carrying 2 weapons. even tho they only showed the MC shooting the needler and a sub-machine gun, but i hope they wont allow ppl to use 2 rocket launchers or 2 shotguns in hand.

another thing is the ghost. ppl will prolly abuse the use of 'ghost swaping' by kicking out the enemy. i dont know, but i imagine ppl getting pissed off so bad once they get kicked out.

bah, so many to think about and so many to talk about. bungie still has 5 1/2 months left to finish perfecting it to flawless.

the plasma sword looks uncheap just because you got to have perfect acuracy to use it and the one hit kill was with the lunge attack the norma melee might take 2-3 or more hits to kill so that may balance out also

[Whoopage]

for your #2 part....i'm assuming that you did not see the demo video (the one that has 4 parts) in one of the parts, they showed a warthog taking 3 rocket shots until it explode. so i think it will be completely balanced, depending on the size of the type of vehicle(atv,warthog, tank, ghost, ect.) the cool feature about it is that the missle locks on its target and follows it.


one think im worried about is the elite sword. its a one shot kill sword at close range, but then again, MC has a rocket launcher to balance that out. but the sword better have some type of ammo in it to limit the one shot swing kill.

another thing im worried about is carrying 2 weapons. even tho they only showed the MC shooting the needler and a sub-machine gun, but i hope they wont allow ppl to use 2 rocket launchers or 2 shotguns in hand.

another thing is the ghost. ppl will prolly abuse the use of 'ghost swaping' by kicking out the enemy. i dont know, but i imagine ppl getting pissed off so bad once they get kicked out.

bah, so many to think about and so many to talk about. bungie still has 5 1/2 months left to finish perfecting it to flawless.


Yeah...but did you see when he shot the ghost about five times on each side and it blew up...

That seemed a little too easy.

Max...I've been having my doubts as well. I'm afraid it will be too much like Unreal in multiplayer. I don't want that.

[PapaSKooT]

another thing im worried about is carrying 2 weapons. even tho they only showed the MC shooting the needler and a sub-machine gun, but i hope they wont allow ppl to use 2 rocket launchers or 2 shotguns in hand.

I'm pretty sure MC doesnt have 4 hands to carry 2 two-handed weapons in...

[ScorpionX]

Bungie is turning this game into Halo PC. I almost puked when I saw that rocket auto aim garbage, good ****ing lord. Every level they have shown is a vehicle whore level, I hope that changes, especially with respawning ones too. Basically I'm worried this could turn out to be a another vehicle oriented pc game, and nobody wants Halo to be that :cry:

[l Maximus l]

Here's the thing....what if you're playing Multi-player and you destroy every single vehicle? Is the rest of the CTF match, for example, only limited to foot?

Also, that Rocket Launcher...the fact that it targets...is that only for vehicles or is that also for targeting people that are walking? If it's limited to vehicles, that's a good thing...but, to enemies on foot, I don't like that idea.

Also, do Elites and Spartans have equal abilities? I definately don't want Halo 2 to be like Unreal Championship like Whoopage stated that he was concerned about...

My biggest hope is that Bungie adds even better things to Halo with Halo 2...not take away amazing features and change them altogether...know what I mean, dudes?

[# 1 Stunner]

yeah, why couldnt they just stick to mc vs mc, thats what i think would be the best, did u see how high the elite jumps compared to the mc in the video? now thats not equal...i just dont really no about this...

[TOTTEN]

you guys dont worry to much the good people at bungie wont screw us over the whole rocket auto aim doesnt seem like it homes in that much all it is, is a small turn in the rockets path and in the video the wart hog respawned

[l Maximus l]

you guys dont worry to much the good people at bungie wont screw us over the whole rocket auto aim doesnt seem like it homes in that much all it is, is a small turn in the rockets path and in the video the wart hog respawned

Actually, that's a really good point...it seems to only home in on a small angle, which is good. Kinda like how a person can dodge the Needler in the first Halo, but, at a higher speed...and riding in a Warthog with the speed of the new Rocket Launcher, it seems to me that it's relatively similar in the short angle.

I sincerily hope that Bungie doesn't make the Elites extremely different than the Spartans in multi-player. Call me old fashion, but, I already miss the Red vs. Blue concept. What makes Halo so awesome is that it's even when it comes to character ability...and true skill only shines due to someone who has a lot of practice and has gained skill...not because of some character has an advantage over another due to a special ability. It's kinda like the "Oh crap, the dude picked up an overshield" in the first Halo, but, you know it's only temporary....not a permanent ability that is always present...like #1 Stunner said...higher jumping ability... :sigh:

[Whoopage]

Actually, that's a really good point...it seems to only home in on a small angle, which is good. Kinda like how a person can dodge the Needler in the first Halo, but, at a higher speed...and riding in a Warthog with the speed of the new Rocket Launcher, it seems to me that it's relatively similar in the short angle.

I sincerily hope that Bungie doesn't make the Elites extremely different than the Spartans in multi-player. Call me old fashion, but, I already miss the Red vs. Blue concept. What makes Halo so awesome is that it's even when it comes to character ability...and true skill only shines due to someone who has a lot of practice and has gained skill...not because of some character has an advantage over another due to a special ability. It's kinda like the "Oh crap, the dude picked up an overshield" in the first Halo, but, you know it's only temporary....not a permanent ability that is always present...like #1 Stunner said...higher jumping ability... :sigh:


Exactly.

I'm just skert.

I want it to be the original Halo with some upgrades, not a completely different game.

[themoosearmy]

I've been trying to be all over this stuff so I'll answer a lot of your questions as much as possible:
1. The Elite and MC are exactly the same, no differences (noting several sources including IGN's interview). We only saw the ELite jump and in IGN's 20 sec clip of Multiplayer action, MC did jump and it appeared he was clearing as much ground as the elites were. Trust me, Bungie will not make them different.

2. You can carry 2 one handed weapons and one two handed weapon. MC dropped the SMG and needler and picked up the battle rifle and sword. Another note on the Energy Sword: This weapon isn't going to be just laying around in every level waiting to be picked, you'll have to earn it.

3. Homing ROckets, IMO, GREAT idea. With a squeeze of the L Trigger, the ghost and banshee (not sure about human vehix but likely) will double its speed. Thats pretty damn fast, not to mention the rocket velocity has been toned down a bit. Locking on won't be as easy as it looks, that hog was going in a straight line, below the shooter, on level ground.

4.About Vehicle Whores: According to a few sources, the mounted guns, and rocket launcher are effective against the vehicles, plus remember that new feature Bungie put in: Boarding! You can jack a dude right out the driver seat when he is goin slows or stops. This all looked balanced out to me. Wanna run me over in your hog? Ok, i'll wait till you turn and smack your ass out, or just blow a tire off.

5.I think vehicles respawn after time, they did int he video (which could've been just for show), but they respawn in the original if you have that feature turned on (except for the destruction part).

6. Not sure about target tracking being vehicle only, but if it isn't, i'm sure it would be possible to dodge, since the rockets don't move that fast.

7. Also as was said a bit earlier, it took Joe Staten 3 or 4 rocket hits to completely destroy that hog. The ghost got destroyed easy, but remember, Joe was standing right in front while it was standing still and got hits on where he knew it would get destroyed without being bothered, this will be a bit different live.

Thats all i cna think of really for now. Now, everyone jump in their cryo-freezer till Nov 9th.

[ghost 009]

he dropped the smg and needler when he got the battle rifle and the plasma sword :)
ok cool cause I was gonna say that it would have been too many weapons

btw I'm sure bungie will make it a lot like halo. In the game informer magazine someone said it was like the original halo only with a new haircut or something. Then someone on ign playing anaibar said you cannot even compare it to the original halo because it was sooo much better. So the people on gameinformer played spartan vs spartan on some of the sweet new maps and the ign people played zanzibar spartans vs elites. Either game type is just as good then. Depends on what kind of halo player you are. Did anyone also see that you can customize your armor? That is awesome. I think he also had a little yellow symbol on his back. I don't know if I am goingf to make a clan for halo 2 but if I do we will be playing with the same peopel on our team everytime I don't wanna be a dumbass clan. If not then I will make a semi-clan with my brother, my friend (he gets xbl before halo), and me. We will play on the same team most of the time. I'm thinking yellow armor, a little grey on the arms, and a red or black halo symbol on each arm/shoulder (if you can do that).

[thunder]

What exactly is this sword i never saw coveant use on in halo :huh:

Can you still hit with weapons in halo 2 and if so whats the damage difference between it and a sword does. Does a sword require you to do anything to use it is there like a hold down let go at the right time, or hold down for a while to get a more powerful swing (like the green gun in halo) whats the go with the sword so far im not liking it.
Can you hit a crouching person with the sword if so will the action be different then from hitting a non crouching person. Does the sword have a cool down period??? if so how long??/ or will it have a 3 or 4 swing cool down????

Can you have a sword duel like can you block a sword hit or do you just have to run???

If i have an over sheild what kind of damage will the sword do???

[TOTTEN]

What exactly is this sword i never saw coveant use on in halo :huh:

Can you still hit with weapons in halo 2 and if so whats the damage difference between it and a sword does. Does a sword require you to do anything to use it is there like a hold down let go at the right time, or hold down for a while to get a more powerful swing (like the green gun in halo) whats the go with the sword so far im not liking it.
Can you hit a crouching person with the sword if so will the action be different then from hitting a non crouching person. Does the sword have a cool down period??? if so how long??/ or will it have a 3 or 4 swing cool down????

Can you have a sword duel like can you block a sword hit or do you just have to run???

If i have an over sheild what kind of damage will the sword do???
yes you can "hit"(melee attack) stil but know you can even do combos with the melee attack
;)
the rest of your questions will most likley be answered by more experienced people

[JJaX]

Max, for such a halo nut, im kind of insulted you have these stupid questions.

If you actually read the new articles and watch the videos, you wouldnt be asking these questions.

[JJaX]

Yeah...but did you see when he shot the ghost about five times on each side and it blew up...

That seemed a little too easy.

Max...I've been having my doubts as well. I'm afraid it will be too much like Unreal in multiplayer. I don't want that.

Im sure ghost will be real easy to blow up, WHEN SITTING STILL.

Think about it, its all about balance. It makes up its weakness with its new speed boosters.

Man, I dont know if i woke up on the wrong side of the bed or what. But for some video game fanatics you sound like a bunch of whining fah-hags.

[themoosearmy]

Alright dude, I'll try to clear some stuff up for you.
What exactly is this sword i never saw coveant use on in halo :huh:

The Covenant Energy Sword. Used by the Yellow armored elites, i.e in Assault on the COntrol Room (second checkpoint), and right after you rescue keyes on Truth and Rec, among others.

Can you still hit with weapons in halo 2 and if so whats the damage difference between it and a sword does. Does a sword require you to do anything to use it is there like a hold down let go at the right time, or hold down for a while to get a more powerful swing (like the green gun in halo) whats the go with the sword so far im not liking it.

Yes, melee attacks are still available. THe sword however is a melee only weapon. THere is no hold down time to use it, but if you lock on to the person, you can lunge for a one hit kill.

Can you hit a crouching person with the sword if so will the action be different then from hitting a non crouching person. Does the sword have a cool down period??? if so how long??/ or will it have a 3 or 4 swing cool down????

Yes you cna hit a crouched person, and i'm sure its the same as Halo, in the head/back, is a little worse overall. As of right now, no cool down time, in the demo only a grenade counter was there on the HUD.

Can you have a sword duel like can you block a sword hit or do you just have to run???

No dueling, its jsut a badass weapon. You can't block it and you should prolly just try and dodge and shoot the dude with it.


If i have an over sheild what kind of damage will the sword do???

Powerups havent been revealed yet for Halo 2, but I'm sure AC/OS will be back. NOt quite sure if I can answer this tho.

I can see a lot of people are worried about the plasma sword being a little too powerful. However you must remember (using Zanzibar as an example), there is only ONE sword ont he entire level, and it is in a very difficult place to get to. Also, during the actual gameplay footage noone is using it.

On the symbols:
Many have speculated that the icons and sprays on the armor your seeing are part of Halo 2's "Revolutionary Icon System." (Apparently) Each player has there own unique icon that floats above there head (like the green triangles but different). This icon also appears to show up on the armor as well. This is all taking advantage of this system that is present in XBL 3.0. Basically, if the icon border is Blue: no action, Yellow: Firing, Red: Taking Fire. There is also a flag icon that is Blue:returned, Yellow: Taken but not held by the enemy, Red: Taken and held. This is just from me and some others watching this crap a bunch of times over and over again so it may not be right, but it really looks that way.

Max, for such a halo nut, im kind of insulted you have these stupid questions.
I hope that was sarcasm, grow up dude. Not everyone wants to read those articles.

[JJaX]

I hope that was sarcasm, grow up dude. Not everyone wants to read those articles.


Lick my balls.

I can address max anyway i want to, he knows I got nothing but love for him. He doesnt need you to speak on his behalf. Especially from someone that has no clue of our history. So move on freedom fighter.....

And Max is known to be quite the Halo addict, I would imagine the first thing he would do is read those articles.

[DZNUTZ]

i kinda agree w/ jjax.

seriously..i skimmed the articles....and only watched one very short vid.

i even knew the sword was supposedly..extremely hard to get to. (in terms of skill and time consuming)
, i also read there was no difference in abilities between MC and elite. also could have sworn i read the did away with powerups.

guess my point is...i haven't even really been following it closely..and i have answers to some of these questions. ya'd think the ones that are following it..would have better questions.

also..i have complete faith this game will rock.

[Xorg]

Well, I really don't have any doubts, after watching the multiplayer trailer, I want this game more. If this bungie is the same bungie that brought us Halo, then I know I trust them and dont need to worry as I know they can make a great game.

[E Nomini Patri]

Max and the rest of you. I was hoping for a little more faith in Bungie from you.

[l Maximus l]

lol, dudes....

Don't get me wrong! I have a lot of faith in Bungie...and I read several articles...but, in the last three weeks, I've been working this new job and I've been extremely occupied...but salivating for more Halo 2 info. I'm sure a grip of articles fell through the cracks and I have no doubt in my mind that I missed a few...again, mainly because of this new job. On a side note, I'm diggin' this new job a lot! I'm happier than a pig in shiznit ;)

Having questions doesn't mean I have doubts...I'm just unclear on a few things...and I appreciate the responses thus far. Moose had an amazing post reply...I thank you for that, man. I realize that they may not all be facts, but, educated guesses or probabilities...I'm thinking you're right.

My main concern is that I want the vehicles to respawn...imagine playing CTF at Blood Gulch...and some dude on the opposing team, who has both Warthogs at their base, decides to blow them up even if no one was in them...just to take them out of the game. I think it would hug nuts if the remainder of the game had no Warthogs. I'm not bothered with huffing it, I just like the incorporation of the Warthog on CTF at Blood Gulch, for example.

On a Team Slayer match, no respawning vehicles would be fine...by the time they would all be destroyed, the game would be over anyway...but, playing CTF can take as long as it needs to score your set points.

The other thing I question is the Rocket Launcher and if it homes on players in addition to vehicles. I think it's a nice addition to have the rocket launcher act as a heat seeker on vehicles...but, that would change things too much if the rockets homed in on people. I mean, imagine some sniper across a huge map...and they are facing another direction....you shoot a rocket at them...it propels all the way to the sniper...but, if the sniper sees the rocket coming for them 2 seconds before time, he will have time to get away...but, on a homing rocket, he won't have a chance in hell.

Just some thoughts... Again, I'm not losing faith in Bungie in the least...I think it's cool to have questions just to make things clear :)

I'm stoked to hear that the Elite have the exact same abilities...no advantages or disadvanges. I hate Multi-player games that have tons of different characters with tons of different abilities going head to head. I like games that require skill...not advantages and disadvantages. The first Halo was so refreshing because of that.

Oh yeah...and JJaX...I poo on your CPU :D
http://web.mit.edu/jliao/www/pictures/poop.jpg

[Stormlord]

I agree with you Max I want respawning vehicles. Could you imagine how unfair it would be for an enemy sniper to blow off the tires of a warthog the first few minutes into the match. If your mobility is crippled you have no hope. But I'm 99% sure vehicles will respawn, I mean even power ups and weapons respawn on the field.

Maybe one of you guys know but if you have a sniper rifle and blow off one of the thrusters on a banshee would it make it usless or still be combat affective?

I just hope I can get an HDTV by the time Halo 2 comes out. 480i will do this game no justice. This game was meant for high-res. :hump:

[l Maximus l]

I just hope I can get an HDTV by the time Halo 2 comes out. 480i will do this game no justice. This game was meant for high-res. :hump:

Hellz yeah, man...I've been in gaming heaven ever since I purchased my HDTV. I've only played on a regular tube twice since I've owned it...and it amazing how different it is.

Does anyone know what Halo 2 is going to be? Meaning 480p, 720p, or 1080i? Being in 1080i would be friggin' sick!

[E Nomini Patri]

HDTV options haven't been mentioned anywhere besides the fact that Halo 2 supports HDTV. :)

Max, like in Halo PC, I am sure the vehicles will respawn after a set time limit (or not, if you choose to turn it off). It works good, so I wouldn't doubt its presence.

[l Maximus l]

HDTV options haven't been mentioned anywhere besides the fact that Halo 2 supports HDTV. :)

Max, like in Halo PC, I am sure the vehicles will respawn after a set time limit (or not, if you choose to turn it off). It works good, so I wouldn't doubt its presence.

lol, dude...thanks for the reply, though, I want to make it abundantly clear that I am not doubting it's presence, just asking questions ;)

But, I do have another question...in the short in-game video clip that you posted in another thread, it showed several different looking symbols above the heads of friendlies and opposition. In the first Halo, it simply had a green arrow as a friend indicator....I wonder what those new arrows are and why there are different looking ones?

[E Nomini Patri]

I showed this link to Moose. It has the best explanation I can find:

http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=425313

http://www.lynxfx.com/xba/monstercheers.gif

[themoosearmy]

Lick my balls.

I can address max anyway i want to, he knows I got nothing but love for him. He doesnt need you to speak on his behalf. Especially from someone that has no clue of our history. So move on freedom fighter.....

And Max is known to be quite the Halo addict, I would imagine the first thing he would do is read those articles.
Forget you dude, i could actually care less about your history, its just a tad hard to read sarcasm in posts, (... i hope that was sarcasm). If it was i figured you'd laugh it off instead of going old-head on me.

[l Maximus l]

I showed this link to Moose. It has the best explanation I can find:

http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=425313

http://www.lynxfx.com/xba/monstercheers.gif

Dude, that's an awesome read...and I think his theory is right. Blue when not firing, yellow when firing and red when getting hit. So brilliant yet so simple! I also like the seperate icon looking thing to be able to tell who is who...much better than seeing a name or something...thanks for that link :)

[E Nomini Patri]

It's JJaX! His posts always consist of psychotically sarcastic rhetoric! Look at his sig dude, it's got a weird bouncing green jello-monster!

Moose, do you ever get out of the Halo 2 forum? ;)

[themoosearmy]

It's JJaX! His posts always consist of psychotically sarcastic rhetoric! Look at his sig dude, it's got a weird bouncing green jello-monster!

Moose, do you ever get out of the Halo 2 forum? ;)
It's like my home dude. My friends are all still at school, so its work, hockey, halo 2. rinse, repeat. Oh and eating is there too.

[l Maximus l]

It's like my home dude. My friends are all still at school, so its work, hockey, halo 2. rinse, repeat. Oh and eating is there too.

Whoa! You're on the same schedule as me, man :D But, get this, man...I actually snuck in a nap once ;)

[Xorg]

Im pretty sure vehicles respawn, on the trailer, after blowing up the first warthog, the wreck disappears and then the elite gets in a warthog where the previous one was at

[Madhattr]

I don't like seeing the elites use the battle rifle, it looked dumb.

[E Nomini Patri]

I don't like seeing the elites use the battle rifle, it looked dumb.

I'm sure Elites think it looks dumb when Spartans use Covenant weapons as well.

[themoosearmy]

Whoa! You're on the same schedule as me, man :D But, get this, man...I actually snuck in a nap once ;)
Awwwww, you took a nap tsk tsk. lol

Madhattr, i think the warthogs in the vid spawned quick because it was a set up session.

On one hand, the rounds in those games are timed so they may not respawn until the end of the round.

[l Maximus l]

Im pretty sure vehicles respawn, on the trailer, after blowing up the first warthog, the wreck disappears and then the elite gets in a warthog where the previous one was at

You're exactly right! In fact, I watched the trailer again and watched very closely...the Warthog respawned seconds after it was destroyed...but, it respawned in the original location, like you said....and the guy playing M.C. (I forgot his name) was actually waiting for it to respawn by saying "Come on Warthog". In fact, he blows up the Warthog twice and the second time, you get a glimpse of the newly respawned Warthog....nice!!!

This is very relieving to me... Mainly because if they didn't respawn, you'd get idiots that would just blow all the vehicles up so they are entirely unuseable...but, that's not going to be the case :)

[Madhattr]

I'm sure Elites think it looks dumb when Spartans use Covenant weapons as well.

No last time I asked they said it looks pretty awesome when the Spartans use alien weapons. They were pretty envious of our mad opposable thumb skillZ.

Like I said they felt horrible shame when they had to pick up a battlerifle, they felt they looked.......dumb.

[l Maximus l]

Bungie is turning this game into Halo PC. I almost puked when I saw that rocket auto aim garbage, good ****ing lord.

When I first saw that auto-aim rocket launcher, I didn't like it either...then, I started opening my mind up a little bit to it. The dude driving was going in a straight line...at a perfect angle...this would likely not happen during a live battle...atleast, not that easily. I just hope the rockets don't home in on people and is only limited to vehicles.

Every level they have shown is a vehicle whore level, I hope that changes, especially with respawning ones too. Basically I'm worried this could turn out to be a another vehicle oriented pc game, and nobody wants Halo to be that :cry:

I don't think you need to worry about every multi-player level being a vehicle level. Only 2 were vehicle maps in the first Halo...and, many times, I don't even bother with vehicles even while playing Blood Gulch or Sidewinder. I mainly get in the Warthog when playing CTF at Blood Gulch and I never play with other vehicles...in fact, I don't even enable them if I'm hosting the game. I can't stand the Tank or the Ghost Ship...especially the Ghost Ship.

[ScorpionX]

When I first saw that auto-aim rocket launcher, I didn't like it either...then, I started opening my mind up a little bit to it. The dude driving was going in a straight line...at a perfect angle...this would likely not happen during a live battle...atleast, not that easily. I just hope the rockets don't home in on people and is only limited to vehicles.

Yeah but the warthog was pretty far away... I mean is it really necessay to have auto aim when any decent player could make that hit :watchout:



I don't think you need to worry about every multi-player level being a vehicle level. Only 2 were vehicle maps in the first Halo...and, many times, I don't even bother with vehicles even while playing Blood Gulch or Sidewinder. I mainly get in the Warthog when playing CTF at Blood Gulch and I never play with other vehicles...in fact, I don't even enable them if I'm hosting the game. I can't stand the Tank or the Ghost Ship...especially the Ghost Ship.

Yeap I know but with that ghost boost I'm sure everyone is gonna whore it... but I do love the warthog in any vehicle map. I don't know if they said the Banshee is gonna be in MP, but I hope not because that is the most unbalanced vehicle ever
:D

...I just don't want every game on XBL to be cluttered with vehicles and players. I'd choose a nice 4 v 4 CTF than any other matchup. period. :p

[ghost 009]

I wouldn't worry about it cause bungie knows what we want and they're giving us what we want. We want everything halo didn't have. They are going ot have soooo many multiplayer options and levels. I'm sure the rocket launcer will only be for something moving real fast. So maybe if MC is sprinting it would track him (just a thought) but by the time it gets to him it wouldn't be able to rack him anymore because he is going too slow. I think there will be a ton of vehicle and a lot of non- vehicle maps. If the vehicles can tack damage now they are going ot need to go faster soo it will be equal.

btw is it just me or does zanzibar seem too small to have vehicles? I think I would rather like it without vehicles.

[themoosearmy]

Yeah but the warthog was pretty far away... I mean is it really necessay to have auto aim when any decent player could make that hit :watchout:

Yeap I know but with that ghost boost I'm sure everyone is gonna whore it... but I do love the warthog in any vehicle map. I don't know if they said the Banshee is gonna be in MP, but I hope not because that is the most unbalanced vehicle ever
:D

...I just don't want every game on XBL to be cluttered with vehicles and players. I'd choose a nice 4 v 4 CTF than any other matchup. period. :p
Warthog wasn't that far away. Of course any decent player could make that paricular hit, there was no sniper to kill th rocketer and no other battle going on.

Trust me, if you try to whore vehicles you will get rocked, they arent that easy to use now with destruction and boarding. Banshees will be in multiplayer.

[TOTTEN]

Yeah but the warthog was pretty far away... I mean is it really necessay to have auto aim when any decent player could make that hit :watchout:




Yeap I know but with that ghost boost I'm sure everyone is gonna whore it... but I do love the warthog in any vehicle map. I don't know if they said the Banshee is gonna be in MP, but I hope not because that is the most unbalanced vehicle ever
:D

...I just don't want every game on XBL to be cluttered with vehicles and players. I'd choose a nice 4 v 4 CTF than any other matchup. period. :p
they should make the vehicle selection for the mp more custom so you can choose which vehicle you want like if you wanted a match with hogs and banchees(just an example). they should make any vehicle thats in the game be in multiplayer but it should be an option to turn the ones you hate off
:hump:

[l Maximus l]

Yeah but the warthog was pretty far away... I mean is it really necessay to have auto aim when any decent player could make that hit :watchout:


I hear ya there. I really like leading with the Rocket Launcher, too. But, even still...I think it would be easy to dodge that homing rocket...I mean, even now, if I play Blood Gulch with a round of CTF, I never drive in a straight line...I mean, I'm all over the place if there are dudes in the middle trying to shoot me down. I think with the homing rockets that it will require even more skill to get across...which I am looking forward to. But, like you said earlier, I didn't like the idea at first, but, it's kinda growing on me.

Yeap I know but with that ghost boost I'm sure everyone is gonna whore it... but I do love the warthog in any vehicle map. I don't know if they said the Banshee is gonna be in MP, but I hope not because that is the most unbalanced vehicle ever
:D

...I just don't want every game on XBL to be cluttered with vehicles and players. I'd choose a nice 4 v 4 CTF than any other matchup. period. :p

Exactly...you obviously play Halo multi-player a lot...same with me. It seems to me that all the n00bs like to play with all vehicles. Give it some time, if Halo 2 is anything like Halo 1 and they are using all vehicles on their host, they'll just be called n00bs...lol

[l Maximus l]

I wouldn't worry about it cause bungie knows what we want and they're giving us what we want. We want everything halo didn't have. They are going ot have soooo many multiplayer options and levels. I'm sure the rocket launcer will only be for something moving real fast. So maybe if MC is sprinting it would track him (just a thought) but by the time it gets to him it wouldn't be able to rack him anymore because he is going too slow. I think there will be a ton of vehicle and a lot of non- vehicle maps. If the vehicles can tack damage now they are going ot need to go faster soo it will be equal.

btw is it just me or does zanzibar seem too small to have vehicles? I think I would rather like it without vehicles.

I think Zanzibar is probably much bigger than it looks. Keep in mind that the map they are playing is only set up for CTF for one team... One team gaurds the base and the other team does whatever they can to get the flag. This is one of the new modes...which, I think, won't be a very popular mode. Maybe at first, but, given time, I think people prefer CTF with regular rules...where both teams need to gaurd their flag while getting the other team's flag.

[l Maximus l]

they should make the vehicle selection for the mp more custom so you can choose which vehicle you want like if you wanted a match with hogs and banchees(just an example). they should make any vehicle thats in the game be in multiplayer but it should be an option to turn the ones you hate off
:hump:

Exactly...I wish that the first Halo allowed that. Let's say you wanted to only have Tanks and Warthogs...in the first Halo you can't. Instead, you have to have all vehicles (including the Ghost Ships, in this example). I'm going to take a wild guess that Bungie incorporated this option.

If you ask me, I think Banshees would have been key for Sidewinder....because there is only truly one entrance into the other team's base when playing CTF. The Banshee would have allowed to atleast get in the other team's base from the top... Just a thought. Sidewinder would be a good CTF map if it had atleast one other entrance other than the two side entrances into the coridor.

[ShannonX]

I hear ya there. I really like leading with the Rocket Launcher, too. But, even still...I think it would be easy to dodge that homing rocket...I mean, even now, if I play Blood Gulch with a round of CTF, I never drive in a straight line...I mean, I'm all over the place if there are dudes in the middle trying to shoot me down. I think with the homing rockets that it will require even more skill to get across...which I am looking forward to. But, like you said earlier, I didn't like the idea at first, but, it's kinda growing on me.



Exactly...you obviously play Halo multi-player a lot...same with me. It seems to me that all the n00bs like to play with all vehicles. Give it some time, if Halo 2 is anything like Halo 1 and they are using all vehicles on their host, they'll just be called n00bs...lol


why would somebody be called a "n00b" just for using a vehicle. I played halo alot online back in the day and used the vehicles all the time. Doesn't mean i'm a "n00b". You have to be good to use vehicles effectively because its quite easy to just throw a sticky grenade on the vehicles and kill everybody on it. The way I see it, if there are vehicles in a game, then they are ment to be used as much as possible. That was the only reason i even cared for halo to begin with, the vehicles. I know for a fact if the game had not had vehicles, i doubt i'd ever have enjoyed it as much as i did.

[wbio]

why would somebody be called a "n00b" just for using a vehicle. I played halo alot online back in the day and used the vehicles all the time. Doesn't mean i'm a "n00b". You have to be good to use vehicles effectively because its quite easy to just throw a sticky grenade on the vehicles and kill everybody on it. The way I see it, if there are vehicles in a game, then they are ment to be used as much as possible. That was the only reason i even cared for halo to begin with, the vehicles. I know for a fact if the game had not had vehicles, i doubt i'd ever have enjoyed it as much as i did.
exactly, just because you use vehicles doesn't make you a noob, it's what you do with the vehicles. If you use vehicles a whole lot and still suck with them, then your a noob, lol.

[ScorpionX]

It is basically a given that a host that uses vehicles = nub. A large majority of the Halo online community hates vehicles and doesn't even want them in Halo 2 :confused:

[ghost 009]

It is basically a given that a host that uses vehicles = nub. A large majority of the Halo online community hates vehicles and doesn't even want them in Halo 2 :confused:
well they're retarded then cause vehicles are what made halo. In halo 2 you can destroy vehicles so you will probally just use them to get some where or escape with the flag but I think they will serve a vetter purpose in Halo 2.

[ScorpionX]

well they're retarded then cause vehicles are what made halo. In halo 2 you can destroy vehicles so you will probally just use them to get some where or escape with the flag but I think they will serve a vetter purpose in Halo 2.

No, vehicles did not make the game. Plenty of pc games have had vehicles, the pistol and grenades are what make Halo so popular. They were very popular when it first came out, but now I hardly see a BG or SW game on XBC.
:eek:

[ghost 009]

No, vehicles did not make the game. Plenty of pc games have had vehicles, the pistol and grenades are what make Halo so popular. They were very popular when it first came out, but now I hardly see a BG or SW game on XBC.
:eek:
check out this poll I made, it made the single player on halo (didn't do too much in halo multiplayer) and it will make a lot of levels on Halo 2 a lot better.

[ShannonX]

i always used the vehicles (warthog) for a quick insertion and quick exit on blood gulch, i didn't just run around the map trying to run people over, i actually had a goal and a plan and i executed it many, many times with my friend (we usually played as a team). It worked quite well, but i started getting tired of halo online (cept for system link). but now i have nobody to play with locally, so thats out.

[skorp]

Maybe one of you guys know but if you have a sniper rifle and blow off one of the thrusters on a banshee would it make it usless or still be combat affective?

If so, I assume it would be useless... Or at least I hope so! For someone to be able to do that in multiplayer chaos with any weapon should be able to reap that award... :p




Just like the plasma sword... The power upper-cut one-shot kill move is only effective if you are aligned with the enemy... So if your just standing around waiting to get your lights out of you... You pretty much deserved it. The best way to get that nice kill would be from behind or from the side when the enemy don't see you... Or if you just have mad skillz during a 1on1 combat... ;)


Also, correct me if I'm wrong... I read somewhere (lazy to look for it)that you can form teams mixed with Spartans and Elites on the same team on multiplayer!?!

Anyway, I'm sure even if the Elites can jump higher or whatever. The Spartans might have other advantages over the Elites. Well maybe not the same skills (too fake) all in all but individual advantages and disadvantages for both to single them out as a whole. This should prevent any lopsidedness which if you use them correctly will actually have equal and balanced power. That could probably explain why the armor is customizable....


:cheers:

[themoosearmy]

I personally have had a lot of really great system link (not XBC, too much lag) with all vehicles, it adds another element to the game. I don't think at that all vehicles=noob. If you have a good team, it shouldn't matter if there is a dude running everyone over and camping your portal, I always see Halo games as war, and every cheap/whore/noob tactic is legal (besides leaving the bounds of the level), no matter what the game type is.

[l Maximus l]

why would somebody be called a "n00b" just for using a vehicle. I played halo alot online back in the day and used the vehicles all the time. Doesn't mean i'm a "n00b". You have to be good to use vehicles effectively because its quite easy to just throw a sticky grenade on the vehicles and kill everybody on it. The way I see it, if there are vehicles in a game, then they are ment to be used as much as possible. That was the only reason i even cared for halo to begin with, the vehicles. I know for a fact if the game had not had vehicles, i doubt i'd ever have enjoyed it as much as i did.

Sorry, Shannon...I didn't mean to make you feel bad...I'm just relaying the general consensus that most of the best players that play Halo on XBC say. I mean, if you take a map like Blood Gulch and play with all vehicles and there's only a 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 match going, you'll learn to atleast hate the Ghost Ships. I mean, seriously, I can't stand the ghost ship as a vehicle when playing CTF at Blood Gulch...it's the cheapest damn vehicle in the game...by far. Also, no one uses the Warthog when there are Ghost Ships and Tanks around...it's the weakest vehicle compared to the three...by far. Now, I don't mind a good Team Slayer at Blood Gulch with all vehicles...that's totally different...but, CTF? I'm not a fan with anything more than the Warthog. Again, this is also the general consensus among regular XBC Halo players :)

[l Maximus l]

I personally have had a lot of really great system link (not XBC, too much lag) with all vehicles, it adds another element to the game. I don't think at that all vehicles=noob. If you have a good team, it shouldn't matter if there is a dude running everyone over and camping your portal, I always see Halo games as war, and every cheap/whore/noob tactic is legal (besides leaving the bounds of the level), no matter what the game type is.

I just want to make it abundantly clear that when I said that all vehicles = n00b, I meant that when playing CTF...Team Slayer is great to have all vehicles. But, like Scorpion X stated, it's very rare if anyone hosts a game with all vehicles when playing CTF unless they are pretty new to the game.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but, it's the general consensus from most of the very skilled players on XBC that play Halo 1. Team Slayer at Blood Gulch or Sidewinder wouldn't quite be the same without having all vehicles...but, it's also rare to see those maps played even with Team Slayer.

I also agree that vehicles don't make Halo the great game it is. I think it's the physics and gameplay...the pistol is the golden child of Halo, IMO. The immersion of Halo is what makes me come back for more every time :)

[JJaX]

You're all noobs as far as I'm concerned.

[TOTTEN]

You're all noobs as far as I'm concerned.
not maximus just me :cry:

[themoosearmy]

I just want to make it abundantly clear that when I said that all vehicles = n00b, I meant that when playing CTF...Team Slayer is great to have all vehicles. But, like Scorpion X stated, it's very rare if anyone hosts a game with all vehicles when playing CTF unless they are pretty new to the game.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but, it's the general consensus from most of the very skilled players on XBC that play Halo 1. Team Slayer at Blood Gulch or Sidewinder wouldn't quite be the same without having all vehicles...but, it's also rare to see those maps played even with Team Slayer.

I also agree that vehicles don't make Halo the great game it is. I think it's the physics and gameplay...the pistol is the golden child of Halo, IMO. The immersion of Halo is what makes me come back for more every time :)

Nah dude, I understand what you mean. What I was saying was that I have had some good CTF matches with a large group of people. 2v2 and 3v3 all vehicles is totally pointless, furthermore, all vehicles (esp ghosts) cause serious lag on XBC.

[ShannonX]

i only like the warthog personally, never cared for the ghost. Warthog makes it easier to run into the base really quick and defend and then jump back into the hog with the flag and bust balls out of there dodging snipers and enemy machine gunnners on the way back to my base. =) nothing like that to get the blood flowing, specially if you have another hog right on your ass. :hump:

[l Maximus l]

Playing CTF at Blood Gulch with Ghost Ships is way too easy. Seriously, all you have to do is jump in your Ghost Ship after grabbing the flag and drive backwards while shooting...no opponent can shoot you off from the front...and with bullet delay on XBC, it's almost impossible to pistol or snipe someone out of a Ghost Ship moving at mach 5. I seriously hate Ghost Ships! lol

I'm going to guess that Halo 2 has dramatically improved this.

Also, Moose: I've played several System Link games of Halo with 8 v 8 CTF at Blood Gulch...in that case, all vehicles are good. I remember one game where I got over 200 kills :D

[ghost 009]

Playing CTF at Blood Gulch with Ghost Ships is way too easy. Seriously, all you have to do is jump in your Ghost Ship after grabbing the flag and drive backwards while shooting...no opponent can shoot you off from the front...and with bullet delay on XBC, it's almost impossible to pistol or snipe someone out of a Ghost Ship moving at mach 5. I seriously hate Ghost Ships! lol

I'm going to guess that Halo 2 has dramatically improved this.

Also, Moose: I've played several System Link games of Halo with 8 v 8 CTF at Blood Gulch...in that case, all vehicles are good. I remember one game where I got over 200 kills :D
haha a couple months ago before I started praticing sniping I was hosting on xbc. I wanted to give it another shot so I hosted. This dude was in a ghost on bg, I was right next to him and he was going down a hill, just sniped him from the back and you could barely see his head. I got dat ***** in da head!!

[JJaX]

haha a couple months ago before I started praticing sniping I was hosting on xbc. I wanted to give it another shot so I hosted. This dude was in a ghost on bg, I was right next to him and he was going down a hill, just sniped him from the back and you could barely see his head. I got dat ***** in da head!!

Congratulations! You sniped someone out of a ghost. You own! :p

[Arcane]

Halo2 is goin to own up. and butterz that must have been one sweet shot to snipe the guy like that good job

[themoosearmy]

Also, Moose: I've played several System Link games of Halo with 8 v 8 CTF at Blood Gulch...in that case, all vehicles are good. I remember one game where I got over 200 kills :D

200? Wow, I think the most i've ever got was about 160, but anyways, yeah, that is about the only time where all the vehicles is a decent game.

[ghost 009]

Congratulations! You sniped someone out of a ghost. You own! :p

haha that shot was pure luck and it would still be hard for me to do dat right now

[14 ways to die]

luck... taht one thing taht everyone hopes for at one point or another :D

[themoosearmy]

luck... taht one thing taht everyone hopes for at one point or another :D
Goalie Philosophy:

"You've Got to be Good to be Lucky,
and lucky to be good."

[l Maximus l]

I can't wait to smoke JJaX and put him out of his misery ;)

[JJaX]

I can't wait to smoke JJaX and put him out of his misery ;)

:rofl:

You arent even ready.

Its a shame we cant have settle this now on a fair and balanced battle ground.

[l Maximus l]

:rofl:

You arent even ready.

Its a shame we cant have settle this now on a fair and balanced battle ground.

It's true...hopefully XBL will be fair and balanced...otherwise you'll have to fly your ass out to Seattle or I'll be on my way to Dirty Jerzey to teach you a few things ;)