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E Nomini Patri
07-27-2004, 09:09 PM
The man himself, Louis Wu, has said everything best:

SOURCE (http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/beetalk.shtml)

Bees, and Halo, and Stuff

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On Friday, July 23rd, all hell broke loose in the Halo online community - a link to ilovebees.com was finally noticed in the Halo2 movie ad, and the speculation went wild.

The flood of posts (gotta love those puns) has been too great for the forum to handle, however - and not just our forum, but other Halo forums around the net. (At Bungie.net, where the flat-style forum encourages single-word or single-phrase answers, the original ilovebees thread has exploded to over 7700 posts, and has spawned hundreds of other threads.) Nobody's bothering to READ the enormous body of existing speculation, or organize it - they're just throwing in their OWN ideas. Which, almost always, have already been thrown in. (One of the very first things to be looked into, when this website surfaced, was WHOIS information. An address for the shop was found, was investigated, and turned out to be a post office box. That was EARLY FRIDAY MORNING. And yet, since then, there have been dozens of posts breathlessly pointing out that this address IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUSY CITY BLOCK IN SAN FRANCISCO, SO IT MUST BE FAKE.)

I have serious doubts that this puzzle has anything to do with Bungie Studios at all. That it's linked to Halo 2 in some way is clear - after all, the URL showed up in the Halo 2 ad. That Microsoft is behind it, at least financially? Absolutely. (It's a pretty elaborate website, and it stayed up through a veritable hurricane of interest. That takes cash.) That it has, at its heart, a team involving Bungie behind it? There is no evidence for this. (There is no direct evidence AGAINST it, either - but I've got almost 10 years of Bungie-sense telling me that it doesn't feel right.) Folks point to the cafepress store selling shirts with bees on the front and a Halo 2 logo on the back, or posts by 'Cortana' in various forums, as 'PROOF POSITIVE' that Bungie is involved - I disagree; if anything, these things are proof that Bungie has nothing to do with this. (Cortana will NEVER again be used in the cryptic way she was introduced in the Cortana letters - Bungie has 'retired' that character. And anyone can set up a cafepress shop - its existence proves nothing.)

We here at Bungie.org have nothing against puzzles - hell, we've put on a few of our own, at least one of which was one of the most inspiring examples of internet-based teamwork I've ever seen in my life. It's just that this one feels rushed, and maybe incomplete, and it's our belief that folks hoping to get a glimpse of the Halo 2 storyline (or whatever) are going to be sorely disappointed at the end of all this - and we want it clear that if you choose to work on this puzzle, you should do it with the understanding that it's just that - a puzzle. Have fun with it, but don't expect a whole lot at the end of the rainbow.

It may very well turn out to be Bungie-driven - and if the evidence for that comes forward, I'll be happy to admit I was wrong. For now, though, I'd like to ask that speculation about the subject be kept to a minimum, or moved entirely to other forums. I'm not going to go so far as to ban bee discussion here - but I will ask that you keep it Halo-related, and that you keep your mind open to the possibility that some ad agency somewhere thought it might be cool to pump up the Halo fans with an AI-type puzzle, without considering that Bungie fans might expect more than they're willing (or able) to give.

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I don't have anything else to add. :)

BLITZKRIEG*
07-27-2004, 09:33 PM
well put

LTM360
07-27-2004, 11:20 PM
Just wondering... but who the hell is this guy...?

lax_defense
07-27-2004, 11:56 PM
Pssh. He's wrong. He lies! He LIES I TELL YOU!!!!
:cry:

l Maximus l
07-28-2004, 12:11 AM
He just about said everything I was feeling in regards to this subject. There's a ton of theories out there and the rumor mill has gone into overdrive. While it is my hope that Halo 2 comes out August 24th, I'm focussing my attention on November 9th. This way, if Halo 2 actually does come out on August 24th, I'll be shocked and stoked at the same time. :)

TheCovenant
07-28-2004, 04:20 AM
whos' this guy? bungie.org?

eh, unofficial elitist crap.

and what is so special about this thread that requires it to be a sticky?

SoundX
07-28-2004, 04:37 AM
November 9th > August 24th

:)

Sheeyt
07-28-2004, 07:25 AM
Oh come on... No proof Bungie is involved, hang on let me get my boots cause ths **** is getting deep.

BananaMan
07-28-2004, 07:28 AM
that dude is stupid, all these people think they're uber 1337 cuz they have a domain with bungie in it. they're not affiliated with bungie. they just want their 30 seconds of fame....ilovebees.com isn't affiliated with bungie my ass, it's in the trailer for it...

TOTTEN
07-28-2004, 08:37 AM
ilovebees.com isn't affiliated with bungie my ass, it's in the trailer for it...
Bungie had to check the trailer before they released it to the theaters. ilovebees.com was very obvious. So why did they let the trailer go with I love bees in it?

Koopa
07-28-2004, 08:37 AM
whos' this guy? bungie.org?

eh, unofficial elitist crap.

and what is so special about this thread that requires it to be a sticky?
i called him out on that, and got alot of hbo guys pissed at me. but i DO respect louis for all the work he does to keep such a great community going.

i may not have been in the bungie community for 10 years, but it seems obvious to me that there is more than enough circumstantial evidence connecting this to halo 2. why he thinks cortana is "retired" is way beyond me. the rampant ai and writing style is directly linked to the letters, the text refers to ONI and glassing planets, and the link to the movie trailer is undeniable...MS doesnt seem like the type of company to let devs screw around with their money to promote their own little side project when they should be entirely devoted to making money for ms (read:halo 2) besides, the fact that the ilovebees appears with the xbox logo convinces me that MS is behind this too...if it were a bungie in-joke, i would think it'd be hidden in the part of the trailer that they made, not the standardized xbox logo.

JJaX
07-28-2004, 12:38 PM
ZZzZZZzZZzZZzZz

The URL flashes in the trailer...

If bungie isnt involved, I will shave my nuts and wear the hair on my chin.

dhopper
07-28-2004, 01:01 PM
ZZzZZZzZZzZZzZz

The URL flashes in the trailer...

If bungie isnt involved, I will shave my nuts and wear the hair on my chin.

I'm going to save this, even though I want you to be right. :p

lax_defense
07-28-2004, 05:27 PM
ZZzZZZzZZzZZzZz

The URL flashes in the trailer...

If bungie isnt involved, I will shave my nuts and wear the hair on my chin.

Yes...my master plan is finally beginning to take hold.

SPARTAN VI
07-28-2004, 10:31 PM
ZZzZZZzZZzZZzZz

The URL flashes in the trailer...

If bungie isnt involved, I will shave my nuts and wear the hair on my chin.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

themoosearmy
07-28-2004, 11:49 PM
Bungie had to check the trailer before they released it to the theaters. ilovebees.com was very obvious. So why did they let the trailer go with I love bees in it?
Exactly what I was thinking.

I'm not speculating anything as irrational as an early release date, but until Bungie themselves (and not just a well-read fan) or MS comes forward, I'm willing to believe that bees have everything to do with Halo 2 and the apparent "buzz" it's getting. (All puns intended).

Peepers
07-29-2004, 01:42 AM
This is one of the weirdest things to ever happen on the net that I've personally experienced. Unfortunately, I have a sneaking suspicion that all of this will lead to nothing as the Bunjie dude pointed out.

Variation-XBA
07-29-2004, 02:15 AM
I still can't believe some people think it's comming out Aug24.....

TheCovenant
07-29-2004, 05:42 AM
no one thinks that. thast a theory. there are many theories.


demo, new footage. either way, something is coming. on the 24th.to think otherwise is just plain ignorant.

SoundX
07-29-2004, 06:23 AM
Has anyone emailed or enquired to Microsoft?

I'll do that now, even though I'll inevitably get something like "thank you for your email about Xbox, if you need more information please phone us on..."

B******* :cuss:

themoosearmy
07-29-2004, 11:54 AM
Has anyone emailed or enquired to Microsoft?

I'll do that now, even though I'll inevitably get something like "thank you for your email about Xbox, if you need more information please phone us on..."

B******* :cuss:
IGN already has, MS said "no comment."

thrAsher
07-29-2004, 12:05 PM
I hope it's all a hoax, just to get to see JJaX's new goatee. :rofl:

And from what I read, there, this post was simply a way for Bungie to address the 'bees', and to quiet some of the speculation. But altogether, he's basically saying 'wait and see'.

So, demo on the 24th, anyone?

themoosearmy
07-29-2004, 12:16 PM
I hope it's all a hoax, just to get to see JJaX's new goatee. :rofl:

And from what I read, there, this post was simply a way for Bungie to address the 'bees', and to quiet some of the speculation. But altogether, he's basically saying 'wait and see'.

So, demo on the 24th, anyone?
Except this article was written by one of the leads of bungie.ORG, a fan site. Bungie, the company, has said nothing about (if not encouraged) the bee talk.

Demo would be nice. :cheers:

Whisper
07-29-2004, 12:23 PM
Full game. It's happening. Believe.

RockTheCasba
07-29-2004, 12:24 PM
heres gamespots take on it

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/07/27/news_6103575.html

SoundX
07-29-2004, 12:49 PM
Good read.

I don't know why but I've just had a change of heart, kind of believing a full release a little more. Tired of trying to you all it's not maybe, I dunno ;)

TheCovenant
07-30-2004, 05:53 PM
everything thus far is pointing to a demo, hich means i better get a new xbox by my next pay check...or else.....who knows!!!

Sodacider
08-02-2004, 04:40 PM
I dare venture out of my hermit position on the political discussion board...
why?

just read this.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/07/27/news_6103575.html

does this change anyone's view? or not? i'm like, totally not caught up to speed on this.

themoosearmy
08-02-2004, 09:29 PM
I dare venture out of my hermit position on the political discussion board...
why?

just read this.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/07/27/news_6103575.html

does this change anyone's view? or not? i'm like, totally not caught up to speed on this.
Someone posted that two replies above yours dude.

The Frozin One
08-04-2004, 02:26 PM
I have an idea/theory and it may be shared by others....

The countdown represents Covenent contact with Earth, August 24. At this time. The innocent website, ilovebees.com is a part of Halo's Universe (being a website, it brings this whole situation closer to ours).

Now, if you guys have seen the Halo 2 ingame demo, you notice that when Spartan 117 arrives on the scene, we are already fighting Covenent Forces on the ground, with more on the way.

I predict that ilovebees.com intercepted a Covenent battle plan. November 9th is the day Master Chief joins the fight on Earth.

If this is true, it means that we would have been at war with the Covenent on our homefront for about 76/77 days.

Ninjermy
08-05-2004, 10:54 PM
its going to happen. august24th. IT WILL IT WILL IT WILL!!!! IT WILL!!!!!!!!

MajorTom
08-07-2004, 09:22 PM
That was well thought out Frozin One