Team Skirmish a Race for the wepons

[OppiumNitrates]

It seems to me that in these small team games is nothing more then a race for the sniper guns, sword, and rockets. This is really lame to me. In Halo 1 any one with a pistol had a chance to kill anyone else with any weapon (excluding a sniper that is out of range).

Halo 1-
Guy with rockets vs. Guy with Pistol medium range 50/50 chance
Guy with sniper vs. Guy with Pistol medium range 60/40 chance sniper on top
Guy with shotgun vs guy with pistol close range 50/50 chance


Now even dual weilding the guy with rockets need to be double teamed to be brought down . . . same thing with the sword guy. The great thing about H1 was that it's not a game were its a race for the weapons, and it was my favorite thing about the game. Now these small games are just a race for the best guns and its not a test of skill but a weapons race.


Atleast most of the Big Team games both teams get the sniper and/or rockets and you can see which team manages/uses their weapons better.

[Dirty DeStrO]

Yeah I agree ... in those small team games a team with a power weapon can dominate even though they are the lesser team. Colossus is a perfect example ... there is only 1 sniper rifle and a good sniper can dominate just about any game type on that map ... even more so with a small number of people.

I think that for smaller games they should eliminate some weapons and vehicles in order to level the playing field ...

... I can also see the point of view that securing those big weapons is part of strategy also ... and a good team should have ways of gettring those weapons.

[Sexaya]

So, this is another 'the weapons are imbalanced' thread? Boy is this new.

Bullsh*t. If you can't beat a guy with a rocket launcer, or a sniper that's your f'ing problem. I'm getting so tired of the complaints about the weapons, especially when they're based on nothing. Myself I'm not a great gamer, and I can take on a guy using a rocket launcher pretty easily (if I'm not in a vehicle), it's a little tougher for a sniper rifle but I can still do it, just weave and jump your way to him and spray him with the SMG dual wielded. A shotgun is also tricky, but just strafe from side to side while going backwards. That's it. This thread is nothing new.

[MerimacHamwich]

Well Sexaya, you said it yourself, you aren't the greatest gamer. So that means you are playing with less skilled poeple on Live.

When you get into the double digit ranks, the snipers are really quite amazing. You have like no chance of getting to them if they notice you. Hell, most of the time they kill a person, then spawn kill them and anyone else who dies for the rest of the match. It sucks.

[MikeMan91389]

So, this is another 'the weapons are imbalanced' thread? Boy is this new.

Bullsh*t. If you can't beat a guy with a rocket launcer, or a sniper that's your f'ing problem. I'm getting so tired of the complaints about the weapons, especially when they're based on nothing. Myself I'm not a great gamer, and I can take on a guy using a rocket launcher pretty easily (if I'm not in a vehicle), it's a little tougher for a sniper rifle but I can still do it, just weave and jump your way to him and spray him with the SMG dual wielded. A shotgun is also tricky, but just strafe from side to side while going backwards. That's it. This thread is nothing new.


Thats bull sexaya.. you try to weave and crouch coming towards me, while I have a sniper. I'll snipe you in the head... And I'm not even near the 'best' snipers. On zanzibar, the other team went up 26-8 on us once they got the weapons... guess what happened when we got the weapons back... we tied them 29-29 with no time left in the game... halo2 is bull**** compared to halo1. end of story, at least start out with BR, and have smg in back pocket... something... its so unbalanced when you get to the core of gamers... When I was playing with the ogres, and a few other stk members, when i had snipe, i could kill them easily, b/c not even StK can own me from far away against a fricking sniper rifle...

[ramprider0]

Foundation is a level that alot of people do it on they jump to the first floor and run for the rocket laucher and sword, its bullcrap.

[Ghost]

no offense but it is really easy to kill anyone with those weapons, youm just need to learn how, i am still learning but ve been doing pretty good with some strats ive been coming up with.

[Sheeyt]

All I hear is http://img90.exs.cx/img90/2365/k1ocray.gifhttp://www.bornhigh.com/images/smiles/icon_sad.gif

[Whisper]

I agree.. it's all about grabbing the weapons... but I'm ok with that, it's a back and forth game, they lose them if your team is any good.

[Sexaya]

Mike and Merimac, I've played with some level 17+'s, and it's extremely hard to hit you if you run from cover to cover, weave and jump (not crouch, wtf?). When you know there's a sniper on the map don't stay open no matter what, run from cover to cover if you know where he is... If you don't locate him either by dying once or whatever and just get to him slowly. One place that is pretty hard to kill someone in is that hill on Zanzibar, unless you use tons of Plasma grenades the sniper is invincible.

The rocket launcher is really easy to beat, all you need to do is jump and get close, though it's hard to kill you even if your far since you're always on the move.

[Mahz]

Your are completely wrong. It is not a race for the weapons.

Of course you do race to get the advantagable weapons, but that is a mere upper hand - weapons like the sword and the rocket are mere utilities - tools of the game. Besides, when their team on Burial was attacking you, what the hell was your team doing while they got the beam rifle, rocket, and sword?

[OppiumNitrates]

Mike and Merimac, I've played with some level 17+'s, and it's extremely hard to hit you if you run from cover to cover, weave and jump (not crouch, wtf?). When you know there's a sniper on the map don't stay open no matter what, run from cover to cover if you know where he is... If you don't locate him either by dying once or whatever and just get to him slowly. One place that is pretty hard to kill someone in is that hill on Zanzibar, unless you use tons of Plasma grenades the sniper is invincible.

The rocket launcher is really easy to beat, all you need to do is jump and get close, though it's hard to kill you even if your far since you're always on the move.


sorry man but iv played many matches with the same players and they beat us when they got the weapons first and played smart with them, and we beat them when we get the wepaons first and played smart with them . . . . i dont know what chumps you play that dont kill you with the rocket when you run and jump at them dual weilding, cauz when someone jumps people who are good with rockets shoot where your going to land . . . . im not saying you cant sneak a fool with rockes or sniper from behind . . . it when a team plays smart with there weapons.

and i was in that game with MikeMan when we were down 28-8 early cauz they had both snipers and the rockets when we took control of them they only killed us 1 more time cauz 2 of them jumped me. . . eighter way what im saying is that a team goes up 28-8 head shotting left and right and then can only get 1 more kill with no sinper and no rockets you do the math


and besides im not crying im just giving my opinion which is that in Halo1 it wasnt a weapon hunting game Halo2 is and I think it takes away form the game play. If you dont like or agree with my opinon you have a right to do that, but dont tell me that its wrong or tell me that im crying . . . try and make a point instead

[Sexaya]

Where did I say you were crying? Can't find that... Anyway, it depends where you are if you're far away from him and he has the launcher just run to the sides or hide and he won't get you, and if your close it's easy - jump towards him while shooting, and if he's dumb enough to kill himself whatever.

I didn't say you're wrong, if this is your opinion fine, I said that this has been discussed a lot and that this thread is pointless, since everybody's heard the *****ing. Well, I thought I made my point in my last post so that's it.

[mordecai]

It think the problem is that no oen realizes it's a team game. To take out a sniper you don't just run at him or even try to do it yourself. use your headset so that you and a team mate will go at him from different places taking cover alternatively when hes looking at one the other one gets closer to him and vise versa. OR you can sneak areound yourslf, depending on the map. Rockets are easy to beat, once they miss the first shot you've won or you could snipe them. To kill a sword get plasma grenades and use them as the person runs in a straight line towards you (it's a really easy shot) or use the sniper/BR. Even dual weilding a plasma rifle and magnum will work.

[E Nomini Patri]

I don't understand why people complain about losing the Pistol. They say it makes the game easier. Removing an overpowered weapon makes the game easier? Okay...

The power weapons aren't too useful in the game, considering you will die pretty quickly once you have them. A sword only does you so much good before you get overrun. The rocket launcher and sniper rifles run out of ammo quickly...

If it were my choice, I would remove dual weilding from the game completely. It makes single weapons useless.

[mordecai]

I don't understand why people complain about losing the Pistol. They say it makes the game easier. Removing an overpowered weapon makes the game easier? Okay...

The power weapons aren't too useful in the game, considering you will die pretty quickly once you have them. A sword only does you so much good before you get overrun. The rocket launcher and sniper rifles run out of ammo quickly...

If it were my choice, I would remove dual weilding from the game completely. It makes single weapons useless.

How does it make them useless?

[E Nomini Patri]

Someone has two SMG's and you have one. What are you gonna do? You have to get really good at throwing grenades to have a chance. With the crummy blast radius they have, it is not as easy to kill them as it is for them to kill you.

[Sodacider]

hey here's some news, fools...

better weapons are supposed to be... better weapons.

no offense, but if you think there's something horrible about being sniped with a sniper rifle, you've got some serious problems. quit whining, quit crying, and just play the game.

[mordecai]

Someone has two SMG's and you have one. What are you gonna do? You have to get really good at throwing grenades to have a chance. With the crummy blast radius they have, it is not as easy to kill them as it is for them to kill you.

Whats your point? A single handed weapon is supposed to be worse then two single handed weapons. For dual weilding to be plausable, two single handed weapons need to be equal to the firepower of one double handed weapon. If I was on equal grounds when I had a single handed weapon against two single handed weapons then after grabing a double handed weapon I should have the advantage. That isn't fair therefore two single handed weapons should be equal to one double handed weapon and you better find something if you only have on single handed weapon.

[MikeMan91389]

I don't understand why people complain about losing the Pistol. They say it makes the game easier. Removing an overpowered weapon makes the game easier? Okay...

The power weapons aren't too useful in the game, considering you will die pretty quickly once you have them. A sword only does you so much good before you get overrun. The rocket launcher and sniper rifles run out of ammo quickly...

If it were my choice, I would remove dual weilding from the game completely. It makes single weapons useless.

Mike and Merimac, I've played with some level 17+'s, and it's extremely hard to hit you if you run from cover to cover, weave and jump (not crouch, wtf?). When you know there's a sniper on the map don't stay open no matter what, run from cover to cover if you know where he is... If you don't locate him either by dying once or whatever and just get to him slowly. One place that is pretty hard to kill someone in is that hill on Zanzibar, unless you use tons of Plasma grenades the sniper is invincible.

-Sexaya- Level 17 isn't really that high. I'm an 18, and I'm mediocre... When I play with StK, they pretty much don't miss with the sniper.... and have good enough teamwork to figure out where you are coming from. Level doesnt mean much.. I just beat a level 16, 11-1 , but I do get what you are trying to say/point out, a "skilled player"

The power weapons are useful in the game... I dont use sword much, but the rockets are good on defense, and the snipes are SUPER effective, and DON'T run out of ammo that quickly... plus, at maps like coag, there is 20 rnds for snipe right in front of the base, so you'll never have to put it down...

[J3bus WTF]

It seems to me that in these small team games is nothing more then a race for the sniper guns, sword, and rockets. This is really lame to me. In Halo 1 any one with a pistol had a chance to kill anyone else with any weapon (excluding a sniper that is out of range).

Halo 1-
Guy with rockets vs. Guy with Pistol medium range 50/50 chance
Guy with sniper vs. Guy with Pistol medium range 60/40 chance sniper on top
Guy with shotgun vs guy with pistol close range 50/50 chance


Now even dual weilding the guy with rockets need to be double teamed to be brought down . . . same thing with the sword guy. The great thing about H1 was that it's not a game were its a race for the weapons, and it was my favorite thing about the game. Now these small games are just a race for the best guns and its not a test of skill but a weapons race.


Atleast most of the Big Team games both teams get the sniper and/or rockets and you can see which team manages/uses their weapons better.

buh Im sick of guys like you whining about the god damn pistol, if you don't like it dont play Halo 2.

[bretman1234]

I prefer the new Pistol/SMG combo to the old single pistol way more. It is possibly the fastest mid range killer in the game. Of course, long range, the old pistol was more efficient, but now that we have the battle rifle, we don't need the old pistol. I personally love all the new weapons, and think they are best displayed in Zanzibar. They are perfectly placed on that map, I love it.

Unfortunately, for every Zanzibar, there is always a midship. Don't get me wrong, I love midship, but come on, in Rumble matches, the winner almost always is the one who has the sword or shotgun the most. Triple Kills and killtaculars are a breeze with the sword, especially because you are facing people who spawn with SINGLE plasma rifles, possibly the 3rd worse single weapon in the game, ahead of needler and plasma pistol. The plasma rifle used to freeze enemies in Halo 1, now while shooting enemies they can gladly turn around and shoot you right back. That bothers me.

[OppiumNitrates]

Where did I say you were crying? Can't find that...


Well if you didnt say that then that comment wasnt for you I was replying to everyone in the thread and it was Shyeet who said it so that comment was for him. . . . and about losing the pistol im just saying that it gavce everyone the an equal opertunity to kill anyone else with any weapon they were using. . . .

And whatever this thread is pointless only because "Some" of you people make it pointless :rolleyes:

[Regosnot]

Its not that bad you guys know. In real life not every weapon is equal to each other. All they did is make Halo 2 more like real fighting. One thing is to get the good guns another is to figure out how to take them out. I almost never get my good guns so I improvise and I improve. I normally only short range but now I am pretty good all around.

[ScorpionX]

Oppium pretty much nailed it, and the sole reason for that is because of the complete absense of a decent mid-range weapon. I still am baffled as to why Bungie made the BR so ineffective, plus making the default weapon the useless SMG. The only way I can see this being fixed is releasing a patch that 1) Gives the grenades a bigger blast radius 2) Make the BR a 3-burst kill.

:(

[wbio]

Oppium pretty much nailed it, and the sole reason for that is because of the complete absense of a decent mid-range weapon. I still am baffled as to why Bungie made the BR so ineffective, plus making the default weapon the useless SMG. The only way I can see this being fixed is releasing a patch that 1) Gives the grenades a bigger blast radius 2) Make the BR a 3-burst kill.

:(
The BR isn't inneffective if you get headshots, it's either a 3-burst or 4-burst kill, and it's not hard to do. I love the battle rifle, and think Bungie did a good job making the weapons balanced.

[TOTTEN]

Oppium pretty much nailed it, and the sole reason for that is because of the complete absense of a decent mid-range weapon. I still am baffled as to why Bungie made the BR so ineffective, plus making the default weapon the useless SMG. The only way I can see this being fixed is releasing a patch that 1) Gives the grenades a bigger blast radius 2) Make the BR a 3-burst kill.

:(
I agree I would rather start with a battle rifle than a smg. Im used to the new grenades but a bigger blast radius wouldnt hurt.

[E Nomini Patri]

Whats your point? A single handed weapon is supposed to be worse then two single handed weapons. For dual weilding to be plausable, two single handed weapons need to be equal to the firepower of one double handed weapon. If I was on equal grounds when I had a single handed weapon against two single handed weapons then after grabing a double handed weapon I should have the advantage. That isn't fair therefore two single handed weapons should be equal to one double handed weapon and you better find something if you only have on single handed weapon.

That's exactly the problem, dual wielding automatically wins over a single weapon. I always spawn and get killed by someone dual wielding when I am trying to find another weapon to use. Don't tell me to use grenades, it isn't that easy. The grenades throw weirdly now as well, I don't get why. I can live with all of this but it doesn't make much sense in the first place.

[OppiumNitrates]

Thank you ScorpionX even though i love the BR. The the Plazma pistol and BG combo the new pistol . . . . and seriosuly crying com'n atleaset come up with a new insult if you nothing to bring to this cobversation. I like the fact they got rid of the pistol but i dont like the fact that you need to PICK UP A WEAPON TO HAVE A FAIR CHANCE to get a kill. Its total horse $h!t.

please have something intelligent to say is you post here

[TOTTEN]

PICK UP A WEAPON TO HAVE A FAIR CHANCE to get a kill. Its total horse $h!t.

please have something intelligent to say is you post here
Thats is what gets me pretty mad. If they started you off with a BR and a SMG wouldnt that even stuff out so you would be fine if there were no dual wieldable weapon and you have a smg just if you fine a dual wieldable weapon.

[Anthony4sho]

The SMG is a very bad weapon to start off with, especially is you spawn near someone who is Dual Wielding. They should at least let you start with the BR, which is a very effective weapon. The thing that pisses me off the most is that the majority of the games I've lost is because of some ****ing hack who whores the shotgun/Rocket Launcher/Sword the ENTIRE game. I don't know why Bungie decided to leave the sword with unlimited ammo in MP. I can take getting my ass handed to me by a skilled player, but I cannot accept losing to a ****ing whore.

[# 1 Stunner]

sword, worse idea ever, a sword with a one hit kill and almost unstopable close range!BRILLIANT! we have to stick it in there...

[mordecai]

The SMG is a very bad weapon to start off with, especially is you spawn near someone who is Dual Wielding. They should at least let you start with the BR, which is a very effective weapon. The thing that pisses me off the most is that the majority of the games I've lost is because of some ****ing hack who whores the shotgun/Rocket Launcher/Sword the ENTIRE game. I don't know why Bungie decided to leave the sword with unlimited ammo in MP. I can take getting my ass handed to me by a skilled player, but I cannot accept losing to a ****ing whore.

They decided to start you with a SMG because if they didn't, people wouldn't be ablt to dual wield. You'd have to find two different weapons you like but before you got to the second you'd get shot. The SMG is great if you pair it with something (mostly the plasma rifle and magnum). Maybe they should start you with the BR and the SMG as a back up weapon to please everyone? Why is everyone complainging about the damn sword, it's not that bad?

[OppiumNitrates]

The sword is as inconsistant as the shotgun. . . . I attack with the lunge and people bounce right off me, WTF is that?

[Regosnot]

sword, worse idea ever, a sword with a one hit kill and almost unstopable close range!BRILLIANT! we have to stick it in there...
Swords aren't that hard to take out if you keep your distance.

[Douchesforfun]

not if you dont suck its not..... Like i stress in most of my posts, if you are good you can use all of the weapons and are able to take down any one no matter what weapon they have at the time.

[Soundscape]

Why is everyone complainging about the damn sword, it's not that bad? i agree that it's not "that bad"...until you have guys exploiting the rl/br - sword flying trick at will. but i don't have a big problem taking down guys with swords as long as i'm able to keep my distance...but on the smaller maps like lockout and midship it's just way too easy to get kills with. just about every time i kill a sword-carrier on either of those levels it says i've ended someone's killing spree.

honestly, i think halo2 would be a better game without the sword.

[mordecai]

i agree that it's not "that bad"...until you have guys exploiting the rl/br - sword flying trick at will. but i don't have a big problem taking down guys with swords as long as i'm able to keep my distance...but on the smaller maps like lockout and midship it's just way too easy to get kills with. just about every time i kill a sword-carrier on either of those levels it says i've ended someone's killing spree.

honestly, i think halo2 would be a better game without the sword.

To kill someone with a sword you shouldn't always try to keep your distance, for example, if you have the shotgun on a stage like midship you should find out were he is without him seeing you. Then you crouch behind a corner and kill him as he walks past you. Also, covenant themed stages start you with two plasma grenades, perfect for killing sword cariers. since there are so many weapons you can kill a sword carier with, the shotgun, Battle Rifle, human sniper, Beam Rifle, and plasma grenades, I don't see you people can call it cheap. The reason why so many people get killing spree's with it is because most people don't think before attacking, so they just get stabed.

[Soundscape]

To kill someone with a sword you shouldn't always try to keep your distance, for example, if you have the shotgun..... yeah, like i'm going to try to kill someone by keeping my distance when i have a shotgun...thanks anyways.

[mordecai]

yeah, like i'm going to try to kill someone by keeping my distance when i have a shotgun...thanks anyways.

What I ment was that if you are on midship you don't have to keep your distance, as long as you grab the shotgun and play intelligentley.

[Soundscape]

yeah, i'm aware of that...thanks. but most of the time you're not going to have the shotgun. and if i do, then a sword-whore is usually not a problem.

[FB-Gollum]

yeah, i'm aware of that...thanks. but most of the time you're not going to have the shotgun. and if i do, then a sword-whore is usually not a problem.


Wow, that's soft dude. C'mon, sword whores are fodder, so are rocket whores and anyone else who doesn't think. This game is twice as intellectual as Halo 1. Halo was awesome, don't get me wrong, but to be blunt, it was a matter of "here's your pistol, cause there's no point in any other weapon, now go learn the map inside and out and all the spawn points". This game requires you to really think. Oh look, the dude has the sword? DON'T GO NEAR HIM WITHOUT AND APPROPRIATE STRATEGY. IF YOU RUN AT HIM YOU ARE GOING TO DIE. Perhaps a shotgun or a plasma, or, if you aren;t armed that heavily STRAFE DAMNIT. Keep moving and don't stop, if he misses (which 50% of the time he will if you are good) he'll go right by you and leave himself open for a friendly whack in the back of the head. Facing a Rocket? GET OFF THE GROUND. JUMP ******* JUMP! And jump towards him, he'll be forced to stop of kill himself. There's a tactic to deal with everything in this game. Halo CE did not face you with the decisions that Halo 2 does. It's a thinking man's shooter in the guise of a circle strafing run'n'gun. The sooner we all figure that out the sooner we'll really tap into what this game has to offer.

ps. I agree with Zero that the nades are underpowered. But only slightly, they were way too powerful in Halo, and needed to be toned down, but I think they've been toned down to a point where they are a liability.

[Soundscape]

Wow, that's soft dude. C'mon, sword whores are fodder, so are rocket whores and anyone else who doesn't think. This game is twice as intellectual as Halo 1. Halo was awesome, don't get me wrong, but to be blunt, it was a matter of "here's your pistol, cause there's no point in any other weapon, now go learn the map inside and out and all the spawn points". This game requires you to really think. Oh look, the dude has the sword? DON'T GO NEAR HIM WITHOUT AND APPROPRIATE STRATEGY. IF YOU RUN AT HIM YOU ARE GOING TO DIE. Perhaps a shotgun or a plasma, or, if you aren;t armed that heavily STRAFE DAMNIT. Keep moving and don't stop, if he misses (which 50% of the time he will if you are good) he'll go right by you and leave himself open for a friendly whack in the back of the head. Facing a Rocket? GET OFF THE GROUND. JUMP ******* JUMP! And jump towards him, he'll be forced to stop of kill himself. There's a tactic to deal with everything in this game. Halo CE did not face you with the decisions that Halo 2 does. It's a thinking man's shooter in the guise of a circle strafing run'n'gun. The sooner we all figure that out the sooner we'll really tap into what this game has to offer. yes, nothing i didn't already know....but thanks anyway.

[Whoopage]

Wow, that's soft dude. C'mon, sword whores are fodder, so are rocket whores and anyone else who doesn't think. This game is twice as intellectual as Halo 1. Halo was awesome, don't get me wrong, but to be blunt, it was a matter of "here's your pistol, cause there's no point in any other weapon, now go learn the map inside and out and all the spawn points". This game requires you to really think. Oh look, the dude has the sword? DON'T GO NEAR HIM WITHOUT AND APPROPRIATE STRATEGY. IF YOU RUN AT HIM YOU ARE GOING TO DIE. Perhaps a shotgun or a plasma, or, if you aren;t armed that heavily STRAFE DAMNIT. Keep moving and don't stop, if he misses (which 50% of the time he will if you are good) he'll go right by you and leave himself open for a friendly whack in the back of the head. Facing a Rocket? GET OFF THE GROUND. JUMP ******* JUMP! And jump towards him, he'll be forced to stop of kill himself. There's a tactic to deal with everything in this game. Halo CE did not face you with the decisions that Halo 2 does. It's a thinking man's shooter in the guise of a circle strafing run'n'gun. The sooner we all figure that out the sooner we'll really tap into what this game has to offer.

ps. I agree with Zero that the nades are underpowered. But only slightly, they were way too powerful in Halo, and needed to be toned down, but I think they've been toned down to a point where they are a liability.


Finally a good post in this crap thread. Crap from the first post. Whiner.

[OppiumNitrates]

Finally a good post in this crap thread. Crap from the first post. Whiner.


Its people like you who make it a crap thread with posts like this.


Nice post FB-Gollum, I agree that Halo2 does take alot more stratay then the first one. Considering one rambo with Rockets and a shotty can come into your base take out your defence and drive away with the flag by himself. But about the pistol I think it should have been nerfed that way it was but they should have somthing else that gives everyone an equal chance against almost any combo. The dual weilding guy always has the advantage cauz of the crappy nades and the weak melee, which sucks for people who spawn looking for another gun. And the rocket and sword guys can be delt with but on a close encounter map like midship the problem is by the time you see the sword guy its too late to try and use any stratgy except plazma him before you die. Then its the luck of the spawn of someone who comes in late to picks up the sword. In a heads up game of course if the guy has the sword or any other power weapon hes no problem if you dont just run at him with out thinking.

If the sword is the Anti-SoB stick the shotgun is the Anti-Anti-SoB stick

[Tecknolust]

there is no perfect defense agaisnt the sword, if your playing agaisnt a skilled player that has the sword, the odds of you surviving are very low no matter if you can strafe. Most sword whores have either another rifle as their secondary so you wont be able to move freely among the map. To say that if you are good then your oppenent will miss 50% of the time? wtf how? if your good you wouldn't be in the postition for him to even swing at you. Lockout is a good example of firefights agaisnt the sword, midship is a basis is if your are highly skilled in the rifle area you will in that level every time, regardless if your oppenent is carrying a sword or not, somewhat the same for foundation.

Sword -
25% chance of living agaisnt a good player.
10% chance of living agaisnt a great player.

The basis is this: There are only a few combos that will actually stop the sword if used effectivily. Duel-Pistols(if you 85% accuracy you are in good shape) Duel-Pistol/SMG(Depends on distance from oppenent and postition of the firefight. Duel-Plasmas are useless unless they are upclose and personal.

So if your a sword guy, get a battle rifle, and **** him up :watchout:

[mordecai]

there is no perfect defense agaisnt the sword, if your playing agaisnt a skilled player that has the sword, the odds of you surviving are very low no matter if you can strafe. Most sword whores have either another rifle as their secondary so you wont be able to move freely among the map. To say that if you are good then your oppenent will miss 50% of the time? wtf how? if your good you wouldn't be in the postition for him to even swing at you. Lockout is a good example of firefights agaisnt the sword, midship is a basis is if your are highly skilled in the rifle area you will in that level every time, regardless if your oppenent is carrying a sword or not, somewhat the same for foundation.

Sword -
25% chance of living agaisnt a good player.
10% chance of living agaisnt a great player.

The basis is this: There are only a few combos that will actually stop the sword if used effectivily. Duel-Pistols(if you 85% accuracy you are in good shape) Duel-Pistol/SMG(Depends on distance from oppenent and postition of the firefight. Duel-Plasmas are useless unless they are upclose and personal.

So if your a sword guy, get a battle rifle, and **** him up :watchout:

The only problem with using the BR when you have the sword is that it often takes to long to switch weapons. If someone gets close to you and you don't notice they can nail you as you switch but if you had had the sword out already you would probably win.

This is what I love about halo 2, there is no perfect startegy against any single weapon. In Halo 1 the answer to any question was use the pistol and the answer to killing someone who is using a pistol was to use the pistol yourself (don't get me wrong, I loved the game but it had definite balance issues.

[Tecknolust]

you dont always have to you use battle rifle, my preference... :bang:

[kenji]

Here's my collection of thoughts about what has been said:

WHOA!!!!!!! I had a novel idea!!! If you go into settings, you can take off the rockets and swords!!!

Seriously people, I've heard people complain and complain, yet you still play it. Why? Because you know despite the fact that these weapons exsist, you still love to play the game.

I don't use the rocket, I find it boring. I thinks it's fun to try and beat a rocket/sword whore who thinks that there invincible.

Of course doubles are better then singles. Logically thinking, if you have twice that firepower, shouldn't you win?

Everyone wants a fair fight when they are at a disatvantage, and don't care about a fair fight when they have to upper hand. "Oh, you don't have doubles or a rocket launcher? Let me wait for you to get one." Never happens.

You complain and complain and complain, and yet, NOTHING HAS CHANGED! Complaining gets you NO WHERE! Learn how to play with disadvantages. Adapt to a NEW game.

[Whoopage]

Its people like you who make it a crap thread with posts like this.


It's idiots like you that give humanity a bad name. But you don't see me whining about it, I just deal with it.

[OppiumNitrates]

Im sorry you feel my opinion is "whining" but it is MY opinion and I am entitled to it. You dont see me attacking people or flaming them for their opinions . . . . Im sorry i ever posted here and peace im outtie . . . . I have to deal with idiots like you all too much on XBL but now I come in here and try to see how other feel about the game and its considered whining . . . . w/e see you in all in the digital realm.