There has to be something up with this game at times.... [Archive]

Xbox Owner

01-02-2005, 06:10 PM

anyone else get really pissed off when you know u should of killed someone yet they killed you? like.....when you unload a guy from behind with two smgs or something, he turns around with one smg and pops you with a few shots, and bam, you're dead? jeez at times i wonder if bungie did it on purpose

btw steelers own the bills

m4oH

01-02-2005, 06:12 PM

Xbox Owner

01-02-2005, 06:14 PM

i suck with the shotgun..... i hit people from pointblank range in the head and they never seem to die...but i always die if im even 10 feet away from them with 1 shot

E Nomini Patri

01-02-2005, 06:19 PM

Having logged hundreds of hours between Halo and Halo 2, I know when someone should die or not. So, when I bust a shotgun into someones head from behind and they turn around and kill me with dual SMG's I know something is up, and I get pissed. Big time. That's why I don't play rumble pit anymore...

LTM360

01-02-2005, 06:33 PM

You don't shoot people in the head with a shotgun you newbs. :p

Mid-section = 1 hit kill.

Xbox Owner

01-02-2005, 06:35 PM

You don't shoot people in the head with a shotgun you newbs. :p

Mid-section = 1 hit kill.

you can kill them from anywhere when youre really close

m4oH

01-02-2005, 06:39 PM

you can kill them from anywhere when youre really close
Ya even if it is below there waists, b/c all 8 rounds go in and kill em

Tecknolust

01-02-2005, 06:45 PM

the shotgun is a perfect example of what your talking about, man not to brag but i straight out am surgical with that ****. But some giving a direct hit to some does not kill them, so i have to shoot them 3 more times before anything actually happens.

m4oH

01-02-2005, 06:54 PM

Echoes

01-02-2005, 06:55 PM

Try assassinating them from behind, much more effective, one hit k.o no matter what.

LTM360

01-02-2005, 06:59 PM

Try assassinating them from behind, much more effective, one hit k.o no matter what.

I've found it too rediulously difficult to assassinate peolpe anymore. Seems they have to be at the PERFECT 180 degree angle for it to kill them, if its 179 nope, can't get it, they turn around and blast you with some ***** weapon *coughrocketlaunchercough*.

The Jackal

01-02-2005, 07:38 PM

assasinating people is easy i think... half the time im at their side and still kill them... the shotgun is a joke... ive unloaded all 12 rounds from relatively close range and they dont die... then ive taken one shot long distance and killed them :huh:!! that gun pisses me off

MixMasta

01-02-2005, 07:44 PM

It usaully has to do with teh lag.

Lag is a ***** on Halo 2.

Reclaimer

01-02-2005, 08:44 PM

I have witnesses.. Somehow I've been been labeled a monster with the shotgun and I have truly noticed that the shotgun is inconsistent. I can charge into the room and drop someone fresh in front of me with one shot.. But sometimes the point blank shots don't kill at once.. to the midsection.
I somehow managed to kill someone out in the open on Headlong with the shotgun.. 10 yards away from me. Twice.. yet it took 3 shots at 1 yard to drop the other guy.
I love the gun, but I'm pissed that I need to make back up plans.. like a melee because I don't always get that result.

I've seen people mow me down with a single plasma rifle in a few seconds.. I don't understand that.

The same with the ghosts. Sometimes it takes awhile to get killed by them, and sometimes I just fall over dead in a small burst.

E Nomini Patri

01-02-2005, 09:43 PM

I've seen people mow me down with a single plasma rifle in a few seconds.. I don't understand that.

The same with the ghosts. Sometimes it takes awhile to get killed by them, and sometimes I just fall over dead in a small burst.

Exactly dude, that crap makes me want to throw more than just my controller. I need to strap down my Xbox sometime soon.

The Jackal

01-02-2005, 11:19 PM

ive noticed that thing with the plasma rifle as well... it really pisses me off when a guy comes in with one and youre dead before you know it even though youre hittin him with a plasma and an smg

Whisper

01-03-2005, 01:26 AM

it's the guardians shining down on us.. it shines down on some but not others..

The Jackal

01-03-2005, 01:53 AM

i am the guardian!!... but i walk among the lesser few to hide my identity :watchout:

Soundscape

01-03-2005, 05:51 AM

glad to hear i'm not the only one. everything you guys have mentioned i have experienced. it's frustrating to say the least.

ramprider0

01-03-2005, 02:42 PM

I hate when someone kills you when their duel wielding needlers and you know that you wouldn't have died like that normally! Makes you really think about how Halo 2 works because sometimes the weakest crap kills you in a just a couple secs when it really shouldn't.

LoRd StOnEpAw

01-03-2005, 05:57 PM

When I first started H2, I seemed to always get owned by sum1 with the shottie, but I couldn't do the same **** they did. Like you guys said, I'd shoot some1 point blank and they'd live until after a couple more shots. However, I'd shoot some1 that was at some distance away and kill him in 1 shot, sometimes 2. Now, for whatever reason, I can do the stuff that'd they do to me. I think I figured out why/how to do it. :p

I hate when someone kills you when their duel wielding needlers and you know that you wouldn't have died like that normally! Makes you really think about how Halo 2 works because sometimes the weakest crap kills you in a just a couple secs when it really shouldn't.

Also, in a H2H match, the guy used dual needlers on me and I underestimated them.
I charged him head on and for some reason thought I would've gotten past the 30 needlers coming at me :D He got quite a few kills on me using them needlers but of course... I came back and shoved them needle up his ass :cool:

:rofl: I've ran around with dual needlers in a FFA game before... I actually got 3 kills or so before I died.

Whisper

01-03-2005, 08:13 PM

FFA slayer, needlers only.. midship would be teh evil

lax_defense

01-03-2005, 10:25 PM

Just quickly melee them after you shoot. That works quite well.

E Nomini Patri

01-03-2005, 11:49 PM

Unfortunately it takes 2 melees after taking down their shields to kill an opponent. You will be shot by then in the majority of instances.

Whisper

01-04-2005, 12:14 AM

i wish when you melee a guy in the head or back with the needler.. it would stick in his back and spurt blood.. or you can pull it out and blood is on the tips of the needles.. i could have made this game teh awesome.

natedog8

01-04-2005, 12:48 AM

stormin4

01-04-2005, 11:40 AM

i know exactly what you mea... sometimes the game can be so random... its all to do with your ping, and the online system that the game uses..

I totally agree with this. Your success in killing people many times is directly related to whether you are the host or geographically close to the host. If you've ever played Halo PC, I'm sure you've heard of "host aim". I think the same thing happens a lot on Halo 2.

MerimacHamwich

01-04-2005, 12:01 PM

I noticed this a bit yesterday. I am sure it also has to do with aim though. Spraying at the head from range with dual SMG's just isn't as effective as body shots. Same with many other weapons and combo's. However, there are times when I should have killed someone, but they killed me.

Take for instance one game in which I emptied both clips of my dual SMG combo into an opponents back, he turned around with a SMG-Plasma rifle combo and dropped me instantly. That pissed me off.

As well, another time in a team slayer match, I was following a teammate into battle with one opponent. He unloaded his barrage (don't remember which weapon), I see the enemies shields go down, and my teammate die. I instantly start unloading from medium range with dual plasma rifles on the enemy, once my teammate is no longer blocking my shots. However, the enemy doesn't go down, instead he kills me. I had full shields, and I believe he was using the Covenenant Carbine while he had no shields.

Now, I know the plasma rifles aren't so good at killing once the shields are down, but, I should have killed him. He had no shields and I easily got at least ten rounds into him. But in like 5 shots, he killed me. It's possible it was a legit kill, as I had killed poeple in the range of 5 shots with a carbine, but in that situation, I think I should have eliminated him.

Ah well. Just part of the game, have to deal with it.

stormin4

01-04-2005, 12:53 PM

Yes, those situations where you see an enemy battle with and kill someone else and then he kills you too after you've unloaded your weapons into him, piss me off. That is just total BS. For those of you who say, just deal with it..............I know that and I agree. It's just like hemmoroids..............they're a part of life but they're a pain in the ass and I can still complain about them!

Huckleberry

01-04-2005, 01:23 PM

LoRd StOnEpAw

01-04-2005, 02:31 PM

FFA slayer, needlers only.. midship would be teh evil

:eek: Dude, I've done that like a month ago. I think it's the most hilarious FFA game EVER!!! :rofl: The screen gets REALLY REALLY laggy b/c of the thousands of needles rushing through the air. I had a guest and he kept saying, "Dude, you're Xbox is about to explode!!" b/c of the huge sound coming from it. I highly recommend playing this game AT LEAST once with over 10-12+ people. :rofl: :rofl:

stormin4

01-04-2005, 03:15 PM

I've played Midship with Rockets only and that is teh evil too. I'll have to try that needler game though.

Oh, and huckleberry, HA HA :rofl:

MerimacHamwich

01-04-2005, 09:04 PM

I played a quite a bit during the day... today. I noticed it happening way more often, and way more lag during games as well. I think I am going to stay away from daylight Halo.

lax_defense

01-04-2005, 09:45 PM

Unfortunately it takes 2 melees after taking down their shields to kill an opponent. You will be shot by then in the majority of instances.

Not right after a shotty black 95% of the time.

Reclaimer

01-04-2005, 10:30 PM

ShannonX

01-04-2005, 10:51 PM

heh, i've seen that happen countless times and been the driver and the unfortunate (or fortunate, depending on how you look at it) land based soldier.

I've had the same thing happen with swords in laggy games. I have a red recticle all the way through the attack, and i just hit them and they just bounce off to the side, even with red which is supposed to be a one hit kill. And they didn't try dodging because they were just standing there with their back to me and NEVER moved. Its little things like this that have really made me not enjoy playing on live.

Whisper

01-04-2005, 11:09 PM

OK, I've got the perfect example..

You hit someone full bore with the ghost and it just brushes them off to the side.
You hit them full bore as they jump and it flings them unharmed across the map.

Someone idles up to you and they kill you.

lol yeah.. but once it worked to my advantage.. i had just grabbed their flag on coagulation.. all alone.. ran out the front door.. got to the hill infront of their base.. I hear a ghost, I jump quick but get hit and launched more than half way to my base :P

easy score after that

E Nomini Patri

01-04-2005, 11:52 PM

Whisper, that happened to me on Zanzibar. I got launched through the fan and landed by the sea wall. The other team was pissed. :p

Snake Eyez

01-05-2005, 12:48 AM

I've played Midship with Rockets only and that is teh evil too. I'll have to try that needler game though.

Oh, and huckleberry, HA HA :rofl:

I've played Midship with just needlers and it is very entertaining. I also played a king of the hill on Midship with rockets. The bodies were piled up everywhere.

Reclaimer

01-05-2005, 01:06 AM

I too have been victim of the WTF locked on sword. It's red, and it doesn't kill the dude.
Or it's red and I don't charge into them. It's actually pretty annoying all the things that do or don't happen consistently.

cybrdude

01-05-2005, 01:06 AM

Happens to me daily with all kinds of weapons. Now that I understand Bungies Netcode more, the problem will always be there. I am on the westcoast and most I play with for matchmaking are in the midwest and eastcoast.. Latency is the problem here regardless of your Internet connection. I have a 6 Meg down / 600 upload DSL Connection (not cable) with excellent pings, low latency, and NO line loss and I notice too many timing issues during Hectic gameplay. It helps at times to fire weapons as close to the enemy as possible. Beyond that, it sucks...

Late...

Duke

01-05-2005, 05:46 AM

Yeah, last week I was chasing someone up the overshield ramp (whatever map that's on) and I unloaded clip after clip of an smg into him. I seriously don't think he ever even knew I was shooting at him, he never turned around.

Finally chased him down about halfway down the hallway to the sniper rifle and bludgeoned him. I guess at least he never turned around and killed me, just frustrating.

Sammael

01-05-2005, 09:11 AM

Things I've experienced that have pissed me off are when I'm a very good distance away from someone with a sword yet they still lock in on my and charge halfway across the map and kill me. Yet I can be right on top of someone and not get the damn thing to lock one before they kill me.

I've also begun experiencing when I do get the sword to lock on, and I begin to charge the person has enough time to switch to their shotgun (if they have it) and unload a shot right into my midsection before I perform the upward slashing killing me with one shot...

Spanky85

02-04-2005, 01:29 AM

One time I got the overshield and with full shield encountered a guy with the SMG/Plasma Pistol combo and he got right in my face and took me down in 3 or four shots while i was unloading a SMG/Plasma Rifle combo on him. It was stupid.
I hate it when I get taken down for no reason. I get mad when I die, but i can handle it when it was fair. Some deaths just dont make sense, they are inconsistent and random.

Reclaimer

02-04-2005, 03:37 AM

Hello Spanky, welcome to XBA. I see that you're from College Station. Cool place.. I've been up there a few times. I'm from Houston.

I've played this game so much now and I really like it, but the inconsistent tendencies of the game frusterates me. I am convinced that this game somehow applies a leverage sometimes, somehow. To me, Halo 2 is set up so that anyone either pro or noob can pick it up, grab the right weapons set and just waste a bunch of people without much thought towards tactics. It may not be true, but it's just how I feel.
There was a pretty good balance in Halo CE with the weapons. You had to be good to consistently kill people. The pistol was your peacemaker and there was no in between. In Halo CE, you either are good, or are not.
In Halo 2, the balance of weapons swing wildly in both directions during the game. So absolute skill can be buried by sheer firepower. Yes, you can be really awesome at Halo 2, you can be the best player here. But if you play this game long enough, you'll recognize the "noob cannon" syndrome that causes the game to swing from tactics and planning, to race for the sword and rockets.
It's fine. I like the game and I won't stop playing it.. even with the cheaters.
Even if the game is predispositioned to give everyone that mass killing opportunity, I'll get my kills where I can and when I can.

Spanky85

02-04-2005, 01:38 PM

Yeh College Station is a cool place. I lived in Houston for eleven years. I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but the sword makes the game uneven. If I hear Bungie say they worked on making the game fair one more time I'll scream. The sword never runs out of ammo in Multi. Why would they do that? The rocket laucher, sniper rifle and shotgun are one hit kills, but they run out of ammo after a while. The sword makes the game unbalanced. A newb can win and still be horrible. Whenever I actually manage to take down the sword user they can't defend themselves in a fire fight without it.
Also in a Team Slayer match, why do they give ranks from 1-8 instead of 1-2? I don't know how many kills I've lost when I was about to take someone down and another guy comes up a puts one shotgun blast or sword slash on him and I lose a kill. Its a team match not a Slayer match.

LoRd StOnEpAw

02-04-2005, 02:50 PM

Also in a Team Slayer match, why do they give ranks from 1-8 instead of 1-2?

I -THINK- it's cuz the higher you are the more points you gain compared to your teammates (#1-4. Also, less points and such for #5-8.

vman

02-05-2005, 01:26 AM

You guys have to stop and think that Xbox Live is not perfect. There are some flaws and "inconsistencies." But I garrantee you that 9 times out of 10, it is lag. It may not be major but even the slightest millisecond can, in fact, make a huge difference.

I've read that some of you guys have encountered situations where you find your self with the element of surprise on your side, yet you still lose. According to many of your posts, you were "mowing the guy down" and then he miraculously killed you instead. I just hope you guys realize that HEAD SHOTS DO COUNT! It does not matter what weapon or combo you use, you kill someone THAT much faster with bullets to the head. Try it out. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Body shots are worthless (unless of course we are talking shotty, sword, snipe, or rocks). Head shots are the way to go and believe me, they do work! When you guys are mowing someone down, aim for the head, cause chances are that he will aim for yours and kill you, even if you had that oh so beautiful element of surprise.

ScorpionX

02-05-2005, 02:36 AM

I've read that some of you guys have encountered situations where you find your self with the element of surprise on your side, yet you still lose. According to many of your posts, you were "mowing the guy down" and then he miraculously killed you instead. I just hope you guys realize that HEAD SHOTS DO COUNT! It does not matter what weapon or combo you use, you kill someone THAT much faster with bullets to the head. Try it out. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Body shots are worthless (unless of course we are talking shotty, sword, snipe, or rocks). Head shots are the way to go and believe me, they do work! When you guys are mowing someone down, aim for the head, cause chances are that he will aim for yours and kill you, even if you had that oh so beautiful element of surprise.

....No. The only guns that can utilize head shots are the BR, Carbine, Sniper, and Magnum. I've never seen anybody attempt to spray someone in the head with an SMG, because that would look pretty silly. And no, body shots aren't worthless. Head shots and body do the same amount of damage with your shield up.

E Nomini Patri

02-05-2005, 03:48 PM

You can prove that head shots don't count with the smaller guns (PR, PP, SMG, Needler...) because when you put your reticle over the head of an opponent you do not see the headshot indicator appear in the center of your reticle. It does appear with weapons that you should go for headshots with.

vman

02-05-2005, 11:00 PM

I think I get what you guys are saying but I wasnt talking about head shots counting as head shots for stats. But to actually get the kill, yes. I'm telling you, just try to aim for the head with dual smgs or the smg plamsa rifle combo. I know you will see the difference. It works so much better. And i know body shots arent TOTALLY worthless, they get the kill too.

samslophead

02-07-2005, 09:12 PM

I have witnessed many of the same inconsistencies. However, it seems like the plasma rifle is usually the culprit in many of the "how did he kill me so fast," kills. On the same note, the melee attack with the plasma rifle seems to be pretty strong. I only use it on Midship, but I get at least 3-4 Beat Down kills with it.

And have you guys heard of the server "predicting" actions for players in fractions of a seconds?

Arfur Daley

02-08-2005, 05:25 PM

I've only been playing on livce around a month and I usually find that in a game of team slayer or something team based, if I have trouble killing one of them I will have trouble killing all of them. On a game I played recently I couldn't move. Whenever I respawned I was killed and it got on my nerves. I got hold of the energy sword and from the time it took me to lunge at them, I was dead within inches of their faces everytime. How can you possibly get that good?

Sam-XBA

02-08-2005, 05:46 PM

when you have the shotgun you should aim at the chest not the head...

Soundscape

02-08-2005, 08:05 PM

don't you love it when you're weilding a shotty and you run into another shotty weilder...you both run at each other and fire into each others chest at the same time and you die but he doesn't.

i've heard that the shotty's hit damage is random like that....is that true?

E Nomini Patri

02-08-2005, 08:22 PM

Shoot a blank wall a few times and you'll see.

LoRd StOnEpAw

02-08-2005, 08:53 PM

Shoot a blank wall a few times and you'll see.

I've done it before out of curiousity. The number of holes were different each time :watchout:

General Rule of Thumb: Don't pick up a shotty unless you're host or in a lag free game. BC almost 1/2 of the time u'll get screwed over.

Reclaimer

02-08-2005, 09:19 PM

And have you guys heard of the server "predicting" actions for players in fractions of a seconds?

It's a few miliseconds in advance.

when you have the shotgun you should aim at the chest not the head...

Well that's just common sense. Why would you shoot a wide dispersal weapon at a smaller target. They teach us that in real life with a shotgun. Our Tactical Shotgun course instructs us to always shoot for the chest and the further back you are, you need to aim lower because the pellets fly upwards. So at 20 yards you need to aim for the bellybutton area to get your shots at the chest. With 00 buckshot from an 18in barreled 12 gauge with a choke, you can get a killing shot at 25 yards maximum.

Halo 2 has the weakest shotun characteristics in any game I've ever seen.

Rochey69r

02-09-2005, 12:50 AM

the worst thing IMO....i got back from halo 2 midnite launch with my buddy and i flew up in a banshee in bloodgulch2...or watever its called...coagulation?

ANYWAY..i jump out when i reach the highest point in the sky im allowed to go...and i land on the ground on my feet no worries like nothing ever happend...no damage...nothing...kinda stupid i recon :S