Coagulation the suckiness.

[Madhattr]

Ok so they brought two maps from halo 1, Blood Gulch and Battle creek. Now everyone and their grandma knows Blood glutch was amazing, you could play it for hours and hours on CTF and it would still be great. But now everytime I see it come up on the matchmaking screen I cringe.
I hate Coagulation, they have taken a great map and ruined it. They added banshees and wraiths, personally I hate both of these viehicles. I find them annoying and they just don't seem to belong.
Since the pistol is now a shell of it's former self there is almost no long range weapons. Say you are playing CTF and the sniper from your base is gone and you died trying to get their flag. Now all your viehicles are gone and you have no sniper and have to walk for like 2 mins just to get there and all you have is lousy short range weapons!
I dunno I can't stand the layout of the bases, they are just too big with the extra level.
I think they should have left well enough alone and just made it look better with minor improvements.
Also Hang em High and longest are both better then Battle creek.

[Xorg]

It would be a lot better if the starting weapon was a battle rifle instead of the useless smg

[Wolf]

I love coagulation. I might have seen a Wraith or tank ONCE in this level and that would have been on a custom gametype. I don't have a problem with the extra level on the base either. Adds more strategy and it's not like it's superhard to defend someone coming up the elevator. unless of course they use the "grab the flag through the floor" glich, in which case the added floor sux. As for the pistol thing, they took the scope off of one weapon and placed it on another... they put the battle rifle on top of the base where the pistol used to be, and the pistol down where the assault rifle used to be... I don't quite see what the big deal is here.

[TOTTEN]

If they made the battle rifle the default starting weapon the map would be bearable but as it is the map is terrible becuase of the smgs, ghosts, banshees, and not being able to flip wehicles over with a grenade.

[CMX Jedi]

the thing i hate is that you cant snipe from one end of the map to the other. where dose the bullit go after tis gets 3/4 the way there? no one knows.
the extra level i dont mind, just that bridge thing on the side i hate. the rest i acualy like.

[Xorg]

the thing i hate is that you cant snipe from one end of the map to the other. where dose the bullit go after tis gets 3/4 the way there? no one knows.
the extra level i dont mind, just that bridge thing on the side i hate. the rest i acualy like.
I seen a few times someone on my team being sniped at the beginning of the round when they where going for the sniper from across the map

[LoRd StOnEpAw]

God, I used to love BG but whenever I see Coagulation in a matchmaking game I moan. The sniping on the map is inconsistent. Where's the range? The old pistol could hit farther than the new sniper rifle.

[wbio]

I don't really mind it, though I don't really like having the banshee there. The wraith rarely is included when i play matchmade games, but I have seen it a few times, maybe I'm just lucky. The main thing I would change on the level is the starting weapon though, like others have said. The SMG is no good on Coagulation.

[Madhattr]

Don't forget the 3 minute rounds, you can get there by hog early but die and you have a long ****ty walk in the middle of nowhere. If they wanted to make the smg actually useful increase the length of the rounds and make a forest in the middle otherwise you have almost no cover.
I am actually starting to like waterworks more simply because you can actually get to the other base with decent time and cover.
Bungie really dropped the ball on coagulation.

[Reclaimer]

My only two problems with Coagulation is the starting out with SMGs and the long walk of shame if your vehicles are gone. That's it.
It's not too bad if you have a good sniper and most of the vehicles to cover you.

It just sucks though when the time starts dwindling and you have that 5 mile march ahead of you.

[wbio]

Don't forget the 3 minute rounds, you can get there by hog early but die and you have a long ****ty walk in the middle of nowhere. If they wanted to make the smg actually useful increase the length of the rounds and make a forest in the middle otherwise you have almost no cover.
I am actually starting to like waterworks more simply because you can actually get to the other base with decent time and cover.
Bungie really dropped the ball on coagulation.
Yea, I do like that in Waterworks, it's really nice to know that even when your vehicles get blown to ****, you still have a chance of getting the flag because you can have good cover and make good time on foot. I really don't know why everyone hates Waterworks so much, it's a fun map for CTF.

[Reclaimer]

I actually like Waterworks too. I just hated it at first because that's the only map that would ever come up on BTB's. Despite how versatile the map is, it gets boring when you play CTF Classic, Wraiths 5 times in a row.
But it is a creatively designed map. Five main traffic routes balanced by natural choke points, four critical entry points, excellent sniper points, forced vehicle limitations, good weapon layout, and most importantly.. it's a big map but you don't need to take the city bus to get to the other side of it.

[CMX Jedi]

I seen a few times someone on my team being sniped at the beginning of the round when they where going for the sniper from across the map
stand on the hill behind the red base, you cant snipe anything

[Regosnot]

I just despise Coagulation. I am not a Sniper and I admit I suck at it so these huge levels are hell to me. Waterworks is bad because it isn't a huge canyon like Coagulation. You pretty much have to get a vehicle or the rocket if you don't snipe and everyone else on both teams are going for the same thing. Then they have all these stupid assaults on Coagulation, just recking the map further.

[MerimacHamwich]

Sounds like a bunch of whining to me. "The map is too hard... whine whine whine." Infact, that sounds like 99% of the threads in this forum.
: \

[Soundscape]

these are legitamate complaints, imo. i think it's rediculous that they start you out with a smg on levels like coag and waterwrks. it's not that the "map's too hard" it's that it just plain sucks to play in it unless you have a vehicle, sniper, or BR. fortuneately the underappreciated BR is usually there for the taking. though i don't understand why bungie didn't include the carbine on coaguation.
i absolutely hate TS on that level unless it's a big team battle.

[Sammael]

All I hear is http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sad/014.gifhttp://www.iamviet.com/forum/images/smilies/smilie_ichat_cry.gifhttp://img90.exs.cx/img90/2365/k1ocray.gif

[Soundscape]

yes, i guess that means i'm crying, right? ...since i don't care for the starting weapon.

retarded.

[Sammael]

Whats so hard about getting the weapon you like?

[Soundscape]

Whats so hard about getting the weapon you like?
did you even read my first post? geez, man.

[Sammael]

Bah find a weapoin and use it, plain and simple.

[Soundscape]

wow, great advice. :hail:

[Whisper]

I like coagulation as long as the team works well together. The map requires the most teamwork of any map in the game

[Madhattr]

All I hear is http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sad/014.gifhttp://www.iamviet.com/forum/images/smilies/smilie_ichat_cry.gifhttp://img90.exs.cx/img90/2365/k1ocray.gif

Oh wait I forgot it takes a real pro to wander across open plains for 2 mins with short range weapons. Bah what a halfwit.

Coag needs more snipers simple as that. We aren't whining if our complaints are legitimate.

[Nurb]

it would be a little better if THERE WAS AN OPTION TO SWITCH OFF THE DESTRCTABLE VEHICLES *whew* there I said it, I hate losing speed and control after a few shots to the wheels, c'mon, they tried to fisx sometihng that wasn't broken, did anyone ask for it?... that and the damn SMG's, I HATE duel weilding... changed the whole pace of the game from the original's whic h I loved.. rant rant... I'm off topic..

[mattgame]

The map requires strategy and that's why I like it the best of all the maps. It's not just running and gunning.

[Whisper]

i do think it could be made better with the hog spawn time kicked up, but leave the ghosts and banshee time alone

[MikeMan91389]

it would be a good map, IF there were no banshees or ghosts.... oh who am i kidding, it would still suck, just like, blood gulch did in halo1 (not that i had some good ctf matches there.)

[Snake Eyez]

Team work is essential on that map. That means don't take the sniper unless you know who to use it and you have to make every run count or else you've cost your team their rides. That's why I like getting a ghost and going to the other side and destroying their vehicles. That way you force them to walk the flag and allows more time for the defense to catch up if the flag is taken.

[GTA3 Dude]

In team slayer, the map is terrible. Spawning with an SMG makes whoever gets the sniper unstopable. I went 19-0 against people that were supposedly my rank. They didn't seem that bad, but how could they counter me when I had the sniper and they had the SMG?

[Soundscape]

i think they should've put carbines and/or more BR's on that map. there are 4 BR's on zanzibar....and yet coagulation only has one at each base. and i agree about the hog's spawn time.

[MikeMan91389]

i think they should've put carbines and/or more BR's on that map. there are 4 BR's on zanzibar....and yet coagulation only has one at each base. and i agree about the hog's spawn time.


actually, there are 4 BR's at Coag...


One on the cliff throught the blue portal, and one on the cliff past the powerup cave

[GaMMa]

The Battle Rifle would make Coagulation a lot more bareble. Basically snipers determine the outcome of the game. I hate the people that will go up in the cliffs and pick off everyone who spawns outside. One game the other team did that, and this one guy got 46 kills.

Sniping is pointless IMO. The only time it's actually needed is when people are getting ready to seige, or for an upper hand on a 1on1 battle, or to reclaim a vehicle. When people are spawning and getting picked off, and nobody on the other team is there to complete an object, well that's just a waste...

I hate the walk of shame as much as the next guy, but how is getting a vehicle blown up any different than getting to the other team's base and dying? Either way you don't have the vehicle, and it'll be coming back in 1 minute or 2.

This map requires tactics to score, people don't like it because the people they play with don't have tactics..

[MikeMan91389]

no.. just because its a ****.ty map

[Soundscape]

actually, there are 4 BR's at Coag...


One on the cliff throught the blue portal, and one on the cliff past the powerup cave
oh yeah..that's right. i completely forgot. .

[Tecknolust]

its too bigg...no real detail or depth

[wbio]

The Battle Rifle would make Coagulation a lot more bareble. Basically snipers determine the outcome of the game. I hate the people that will go up in the cliffs and pick off everyone who spawns outside. One game the other team did that, and this one guy got 46 kills.

Sniping is pointless IMO. The only time it's actually needed is when people are getting ready to seige, or for an upper hand on a 1on1 battle, or to reclaim a vehicle. When people are spawning and getting picked off, and nobody on the other team is there to complete an object, well that's just a waste...

I hate the walk of shame as much as the next guy, but how is getting a vehicle blown up any different than getting to the other team's base and dying? Either way you don't have the vehicle, and it'll be coming back in 1 minute or 2.

This map requires tactics to score, people don't like it because the people they play with don't have tactics..
Wait, so snipers determine the outcome, but they are pointless? I agree, just sniping people when they spawn is pointless, unless you're playing a slayer game, but snipers can also be used for defense, just to snipe any incoming player, or to snipe the driver of a warthog and make the passengers easy targets. It can also be used to stop someone from getting something like a rocket launcher, or the other sniper rifle. But I agree, killing someone who is no threat to the objective is pointless, and just a waste of bullets. When I'm playing Assault or something and my team is near the other teams base, if I see someone in the middle of the map, I don't kill them because they'll spawn back at the base and be just another complication.

[mattgame]

This is incredible. I'm sorry but I would assume that there is a reason why Halo 2 is selling so well. It must be pretty damn good. I love it. Of course, I get frustrated when I spawn and get sniped or lose but that's all a part of the game. I got an idea. All of the guys here who don't like it design a map and send it in. Don't just complain, do something about it.

[Whisper]

they will just send in a piece of paper with "please let us use the old pistol" on it

[MerimacHamwich]

And then poeple will bi*ch about how the pistol is overpowered... Then they'll take it out, and the cycle will begin anew.

[mattgame]

So then why can't we just take the greatest game of all times and enjoy it without the moaning and crying.

[MerimacHamwich]

Becuase poeple need a different excuse for losing than the possibility that the person who beat them is a good player. That also accounts for most of the trash talking and annoying voice incurrences on Live.

[Sam-XBA]

just make a custom game, that is what they are there for.... there you go, all your problems sorted!!

[Soundscape]

thowell - who is moaning and crying?
i do fairly well(ask stormin or variation), but i still have issues with the game.

no one can even mention something they dislike about the game without being accused of being a whiner or crying and making excuses as to why they suck.

[ShannonX]

all i know is i'm not buying the next halo, i'll rent it, beat it and return it a few days later. I have no desire to play on live with a halo game how its currently setup. (how matchmaking works, etc...)

I'd be more than happy if i could say, i want to play this map with this weapons setup and then be able to find other players interested in the same map. I just got tired of playing on the same maps, time after time after time with the same rules, etc....

Oh, but you can play custom games... blah blah blah, I should be able to find a random game that I want to play. Not having to hope that somebody on my list is online.

[Madhattr]

Becuase poeple need a different excuse for losing than the possibility that the person who beat them is a good player. That also accounts for most of the trash talking and annoying voice incurrences on Live.

This has nothing to do with losing!, Do you even read or is your mouth so big it blocks the screen from your vision?
Win or lose I don't like walking 1/2 of the game, it's damn annoying and slows down the pace and ruins the experience.
You sit there and call us whiners and tell us to do something about the problems we find with the game well complaining is one way to deal with them. Enough people have the balls to see the glaring problems in a great game then the designers I am sure would have a look. After all we are the consumers/clients and without us halo doesn't exist.
I guess I too could sit back and become a spineless mass of gelatine and pretend that bungie could never do anything wrong but I think you have that position wrapped up.

[LoRd StOnEpAw]

Yea... I agree. There's way too much damn walking in this game. I forget where I'm going and who I'm going for by the time I reach where I'm going.

Another thing is the f'ing Spawnpoints... not just in Coagulation but in all the maps. In Ivory Tower, I spawned by the pistols while the opposite team was arming the bomb.

[Douchesforfun]

its alot bigger and they took out some of the best areas, especially the little sniping areas like on the side of that one mountain where you could walk up and seem almost the entire map

[MerimacHamwich]

This has nothing to do with losing!, Do you even read or is your mouth so big it blocks the screen from your vision?
Win or lose I don't like walking 1/2 of the game, it's damn annoying and slows down the pace and ruins the experience.
You sit there and call us whiners and tell us to do something about the problems we find with the game well complaining is one way to deal with them. Enough people have the balls to see the glaring problems in a great game then the designers I am sure would have a look. After all we are the consumers/clients and without us halo doesn't exist.
I guess I too could sit back and become a spineless mass of gelatine and pretend that bungie could never do anything wrong but I think you have that position wrapped up.
:rofl:
Nice.

[wbio]

I guess I too could sit back and become a spineless mass of gelatine and pretend that bungie could never do anything wrong but I think you have that position wrapped up.
Thanks for reminding me about the Jello in the fridge. :D

[ScorpionX]

I guess I too could sit back and become a spineless mass of gelatine and pretend that bungie could never do anything wrong but I think you have that position wrapped up.

OMG! OWNED!!!!!

Somebody promote this guy :hail: ^21434324

[m4oH]

This has nothing to do with losing!, Do you even read or is your mouth so big it blocks the screen from your vision?
Win or lose I don't like walking 1/2 of the game, it's damn annoying and slows down the pace and ruins the experience.
You sit there and call us whiners and tell us to do something about the problems we find with the game well complaining is one way to deal with them. Enough people have the balls to see the glaring problems in a great game then the designers I am sure would have a look. After all we are the consumers/clients and without us halo doesn't exist.
I guess I too could sit back and become a spineless mass of gelatine and pretend that bungie could never do anything wrong but I think you have that position wrapped up.
Damn.....Nice speech. :cheers:

[Sam-XBA]

halo2 has just encouraged my faith in the series... i love the game

[BLITZKRIEG*]

coag is a great map, I love sniping peeps on that level.

[BLITZKRIEG*]

all i know is i'm not buying the next halo, i'll rent it, beat it and return it a few days later. I have no desire to play on live with a halo game how its currently setup. (how matchmaking works, etc...)

I'd be more than happy if i could say, i want to play this map with this weapons setup and then be able to find other players interested in the same map. I just got tired of playing on the same maps, time after time after time with the same rules, etc....

Oh, but you can play custom games... blah blah blah, I should be able to find a random game that I want to play. Not having to hope that somebody on my list is online.
play it on xbc and play what you want to play :hump:

[Plewis]

I think they should just take out ranked games. Without ranks there will be less cheaters and more custom gametype playing and custom gametypes are the best.

BTW- I like Coag, but I'm also a sniper. Use the vehicles wisely and always get extra ammo for ur sniper rifle. I seriously went 30 minutes in a CTF game at Coag with the same sniper rifle cuz I kept going back to the shotgun to get extra ammo and when I died I retrieved my sniper rifle.

There can be many snipers on a team and it can still work.

[E Nomini Patri]

The affect on cheaters that rank has is very minimal. People will still cheat regardless of what they get for it.

[Whisper]

*******s do things for personal gratification, not for rank.. they would still be there, prehaps a small % less of them.. but they would still be there.. personally I haven't encountered the standby or dummy in the last week or so.