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Xbox Owner
04-22-2005, 10:49 PM
Great update.. BR/SMG starts, 2v2 date, and new playlist information! Oh yeah, they're removing the Sudden Death timer in assault also!

That's right. It's time to talk about business. Specifically, the business of cheats, matchmaking playlists, new maps and the impending stat reset. Lots of info today, and a very nice Mister Chief that Leonardo himself would be proud of. And by proud, I mean ashamed.

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Hella dudes ask,


When are those new maps coming out again?



Monday. Probably first thing in the morning, or around 9am Pacific Standard Time. But that can and probably will vary. And like the autoupdate, the time could vary on a connection by connection basis. We're expecting a lot of bandwidth hammering that day, so please be patient and this is a significantly larger download than the autoupdate, so make sure you didn't pack your hard drive with Weezer MP3s.








Lots of folks wonder,


Erm, when can we expect to see some new Matchmaking Playlists? It's been ages?



The Halo 2 playlist update is now undergoing rigorous testing. If all goes well, we expect the update to be implemented the first week of May. Please note that this means you will not be able to play the new maps right away in matchmaking. Our goal is to get the playlist update out as soon as possible but we want to provide time for people to get the maps, let the dust settle and ensure adequate testing of the playlist updates. Right now, our hope is to have the playlist go live one week following the map release. We will continue to keep you posted as the test pass progresses. In the meantime you will certainly be able to enjoy custom games with any of the maps you download.








A dude asks,

When are the Halo 2 Xbox Live leaderboards being reset?



The leaderboards will be reset at the same time as the new playlist update. Currently, we're aiming to do this the first week of May. See the above question for more info!









Some fella asks,

What will the playlist update entail?



First and foremost, the new playlist update will incorporate the new maps into the appropriate areas. Containment is being integrated into all Big Team games while Warlock is being added to everything else. In addition, a new playlist called "Team Preview" will be created that will contain the 2 premium maps (Turf and Sanctuary) along with a few of the old favorites. The only way to play these two maps in Matchmaking will be via this new playlist. People who have not purchased these two maps will not be able to join the playlist. Team Preview will be a 4 vs. 4 team playlist consisting of ample servings of Team Slayer along with snippets of CTF, Assault, Territories (don't groan, 3 Plots on Turf rocks!) and a tiny helping of Oddball and King.

In essence, Team Preview will be similar to the original Team Skirmish that we launched with in that it will offer a mix of slayer and objective game types (with slightly more weight on slayer). This new playlist will be ranked and tracked on Bungie.net like all the others. This playlist will "expire" on our around June 28th when Turf and Sanctuary become free for download. For the duration of this playlist, we'll be monitoring people's progress and will reward the top ranked player with a special prize. We'll also be awarding other prizes so you don't have to be the top dog to get something. Everyone has a chance. Except cheats, who will be dealt with appropriately. Stay tuned for more details about this in the very near future.

In addition to the "Team Preview" playlist, we're also adding a new 2 vs. 2 playlist called "Double Team." This will provide some intense matches on smaller sized maps featuring team slayer as well as a variety of objective based game types. This will also be a ranked playlist.

Beyond these two new additions, we're making a bunch of tweaks and improvements to what's already there. For starters, we're mixing up the Head to Head playlist. Radar is being turned off and we've added a few objective games. Surprisingly, 1v1 King and Ball work very well and alleviate a lot of the problems currently faced in that playlist with people playing drawn out games of hide-n-seek. "Glitched" game types are being removed - no more enduring 2 hour games of Neutral Bomb on Midship because someone hid the bomb up in the geometry. On some maps, like Coagulation for example, game types have been revised to include a BR/SMG start. We have not done this to all maps and game types, just the ones where it makes the most sense. Your cries for more variety have been heard - we've added game types such as "Snipers" and more instances of "Rifles" to appropriate maps as well as adding Covenant vehicle varieties to existing game types. Everyone wanted to see the Spectre and now you will. The sudden death timer in Assault games is being turned off to prevent extended griefing and dragging games out to insane lengths. In lieu of the sudden death timer, we've increased round times by one minute. The unranked playlists (Team Training and Rumble Training) are getting a bit more experimental with new game types being added (Slayer Pro, Golden Shower, SWAT, Brutes, etc..). The list of tweaks goes on and on but that should give you a good idea of the types of things to expect. We'll be updating the playlist page on Bungie.net with the explicit details once we're ready to make the update.





Mungo asks,

Is it possible for me to remove the AU from my Xbox, I'm supposed to play in a big LAN this weekend and I think this will confuse matters.




Yes, it is possible to remove the autoupdate. Go into the dashboard and delete the Halo 2 root directory from your saved files area. Please note, you will lose all Halo 2 saved games, profiles, gametypes and even maps if you've downloaded any. If you remove the AU, the next time you connect to Live you'll be prompted to download it again. This will also mean laggier games again while your Xbox retrains itself to find best connections, and again, extended loading times for the first few games while it caches data.








BANNED! asks,

What exactly is cheating, and what isn't?.




Any and all mods, hacks, and artificially modified game profiles used on Live (which potentially includes playing on System Link while connected - the whole "Live Aware" thing) will be treated the same way - as cheats. We don't support the devices or software used to make these hacks, and so we have no obligation to supporting their use. They are and have been used for cheating, and since there's no way for us to tell if they're being used for innocent or nefarious purposes, we are nuking ALL instances and banning them from matchmaking. SO DON'T USE THEM. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. Not to be confused with regular game saves, where you've made a custom game type using Halo 2's built-in interface. Those are fine and we can easily tell the difference.

"Boosting" - manipulating your way up the leaderboards with the help of other players or techniques = banned. It IS cheating. Those doing it know it is cheating, and more to the point, it is purposeless. You are not proving you're better than other players, in fact, you're showing that you simply don't have the skill or ability to compete. Which makes you suckaz. It's also very easy for us to detect, so don't do it or you're banned. And you may be banned today anyway for a prior history of Boosting. This is a temporary 7 day suspension to give you one last chance to quit it so don't bother whining to me about it. I DON'T CARE. YOU CHEATED. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS. And if your "little brother" did it, take it up with him, not us. Oh dear, my Caps Lock is acting up to day. MONKEYS!!!! After the seven day suspension ends, you can try playing properly. Do it again and there will be more permanent penalties. Don't like it? Call a "waaaaah-mbulance."

Other forms of cheating, betrayals, constant quitting when losing, hiding bombs, will also be treated as cheating and continue to be dealt with using the feedback system and YOU WILL BE BANNED TOO.

Being an idiot online? Cursing continually? Making threats? Being a racist jackass? BANNED. Oh and a word to screamers BANNED. Anyone who so much as looks at ME funny on Live? BANNED. Synonym for a group of musicians? BAND. Things are going to get a lot tighter around here. We have more tools and better awareness, and all you have to do to avoid being BANNED is QUIT BEING AN IDIOT. You're not funny. You're not clever. You're a boring loser and people hate you.


Look, most of you know what cheating is, so quit asking stupid questions about it, or acting indignant because there is a bug in the game that you felt obliged to exploit. YOU ARE CHEATING. We don't even owe you this explanation. The only reason we bother is so that we can go back and say look, we told you this was cheating and you're BANNED so shut up. And I hope you get boils. And I hope the boils are full of acid-spewing spiders that burst out and hump your face.








Nervous Nelly asks,

Can I expect any weird consequences from the autoupdate?




One thing that can happen with the autoupdate from last week is that it clears an area called the Multiplayer shared cache. This is where we store data on the Xbox hard drive to make map loading faster and better. This could in theory cause very long loading time the first time the player plays after updating. This time could be especially extended your Xbox is old and beat, or the game is having trouble loading from the disc. The best way to deal with this is to start a split screen map and wait for up to five minutes for the map to load (any longer, and the problem is probably not match caching). Alternately you should be able to start a campaign game and get a nice progress bar on the load process.

If it takes any longer, or none of these remedies work, you may have a dirty disc, or a very ill Xbox. Almost everyone will have a nice simple experience on Monday with the new maps though.







Greedy Smith asks ,


How can I get a head start on the new maps?




Try checking out these dummy stats from one of our test games. Don't panic if the Game Viewer doesn't work today (it should though), we're just testing it.

Turf!

My favorite modes on Turf: Team Slayer, Team CTF, Snipers.

Sanctuary!

My favorite modes on Sanctuary: Team CTF, Team Slayer, Team Ball.

Warlock!


My favorite modes on Warlock: Rockets, Territories, Juggernaut.

Containment!


My favorite modes on Containment: Big Team CTF, Big Team Snipers, Assault.


I'll see you online on Monday. Unless I get BANNED!






Finally, Leonardo asked what the Mister Chief would look like in the renaissance. I reckon something like this:

http://bungie.net/images/news/inlineimages/lagiocondachief.jpg

http://bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?story=weeklywhatsapril22&p=3106844 :D

lllusion
04-22-2005, 11:07 PM
Damn, sounds great. Team traning is really sounding real good!

mattgame
04-22-2005, 11:49 PM
Thanks for all of that info and well, the whole post. Cool.

Variation-XBA
04-23-2005, 02:46 AM
I hope to god this gets rid of alot of the cheaters and harassers.

I'm glad they brough out the Ban-stick and hope they stick to their word.

Soundscape
04-23-2005, 04:14 AM
yes, definitely some good changes. too bad they won't make a complete 'slayer pro' or br start playlist, though. and snipers will be good. too bad i'l have to wade through the rest of the crap(smg start, rockets, swords, sentinal beam(golden showers), brutes, ect.) to get to the few good gametypes, though. i don't play much matchmaking anyways...only when i can't find a custom.



On some maps, like Coagulation for example, game types have been revised to include a BR/SMG start. We have not done this to all maps and game types, just the ones where it makes the most sense.
it makes most sense on ALL maps :bang:

TheCovenant
04-23-2005, 04:22 AM
sounds great, cant wait. Someone convince spartan that thegame plays fine now please...

ere, will play fine...

m4oH
04-23-2005, 10:06 AM
That post owned. That is gonna make Halo 2 a much much better game.

LTM360
04-23-2005, 11:23 AM
Damn dude, Bungie is really ***** smacking those who hated on the game. :)

I gotta disagree Sound, Yes, BR definately should be on Coag, and Waterworks... but I don't see why it should be on, say, Lockout. It's a small map, so a med-range weapon is necessary... I perfectly am all for the "The ones it makes sense on" idea. Go Bungie!

StudioAlex
04-23-2005, 11:32 AM
I like everything except getting rid of sudden death. I think putting a time limit on sudden death would have been a better idea.

And I hope they start banning the idiots. People start cussing at each other before the game even starts now. I'm tired of hearing fifteen year olds threaten to rape the 10 year olds' mothers. It would be nice if the feedback system actually did something.

Regosnot
04-23-2005, 11:48 AM
it makes most sense on ALL maps :bang:

Ya but it makes the most sense on larger maps such as Coagulation, Headlong and Waterworks. Especially on Coag. where you spawn in the middle of an open field with a SMG.

Whisper
04-23-2005, 01:09 PM
Damn dude, Bungie is really ***** smacking those who hated on the game. :)

I gotta disagree Sound, Yes, BR definately should be on Coag, and Waterworks... but I don't see why it should be on, say, Lockout. It's a small map, so a med-range weapon is necessary... I perfectly am all for the "The ones it makes sense on" idea. Go Bungie!

and when the haters come back and realise the "non pros" can use the BR too.. then what? what will they complain about next?

AHHH TOO MANY PEOPLE PLAY THIS GAME! I'M NOT GOOD ANYMORE!

m4oH
04-23-2005, 01:57 PM
It would be nice if the feedback system actually did something.NO trust me it wouldn't. People would abuse it like when some morons got raped they would report threats or cursing or something like that and you would be banned for having skillz/.

vman
04-23-2005, 01:58 PM
ah, dudez, this is so baller. i cannot wait!

PapaSKooT
04-23-2005, 02:34 PM
I like everything except getting rid of sudden death. I think putting a time limit on sudden death would have been a better idea.

So you want a separate timer, just for "sudden death"? Well, that's basically what they did.

They got rid of the sudden death, but added one minute. So if you couldn't get it done in the original amount of time, you have a "one minute" sudden death.

Soundscape
04-23-2005, 03:17 PM
and when the haters come back and realise the "non pros" can use the BR too.. then what? what will they complain about next?

AHHH TOO MANY PEOPLE PLAY THIS GAME! I'M NOT GOOD ANYMORE!

you dumbass, anyone can 'use' the BR. hell, who can't with all the damn auto-aim in the game? i've already said i only have a few problems with the game. the gay spawnpoints, the gay PP, and rockets/turrets on maps with no vehicles. that's all i've 'complained' about.

i tell you what whiisper, how about i send you an FR and you play some mlg with some of the guys i play with, and then tell me how well you can 'use' the BR? i bet you wouldn't accept it, though right? gee, i wonder why :whistle: :D

that response of yours was lame...'too many people play this game...i'm not good anymore'? wtf are you talking about? that made NO sense at all. i bet all the guys i play with are much better than you. accept the FR so i can show you...please! if you don't accept it, then quit talking smack like you're good if you won't back it up...because it doesn't mean sh*t. you may be good against the big team matchmaking noobs you play against, but play some mlg with me and we'll see how good you really are. ;)

sorry that i'm being so unkind about this, but i'm tired of your smart ass comments towards people who see the glaring problems with this game.

StudioAlex
04-23-2005, 03:22 PM
So you want a separate timer, just for "sudden death"? Well, that's basically what they did.

They got rid of the sudden death, but added one minute. So if you couldn't get it done in the original amount of time, you have a "one minute" sudden death.
No, sudden death has a psychological incentive on it. It helps focus your team because it's now all or nothing. I agree that some jerks may abuse it (I never seen a sudden death last too long because someone was abusing it), which is why I proposed a limit on how much time you get in sudden death, like two or three minutes. Enough time to try that one last attack plan. It will suck to clear out an entire enemy base and to be in a clear position to score and then not get your point because of a few measely seconds lapse away.


NO trust me it wouldn't. People would abuse it like when some morons got raped they would report threats or cursing or something like that and you would be banned for having skillz/.I think it will pretty easy to determine if someone abuses the feedback system. If you only complain about people who rape you in a match, it's going to be pretty obvious to the people monitoring it. Likewise, if you don't get much negative feedback, yet seem to get it when you roll someone over, then it will be obvious you aren't neccesarily doing wrong.

# 1 Stunner
04-23-2005, 03:30 PM
you dumbass, anyone can 'use' the BR. hell, who can't with all the damn auto-aim in the game? i've already said i only have a few problems with the game. the gay spawnpoints, the gay PP, and rockets/turrets on maps with no vehicles. that's all i've 'complained' about.

i tell you what whiisper, how about i send you an FR and you play some mlg with some of the guys i play with, and then tell me how well you can 'use' the BR? i bet you wouldn't accept it, though right? gee, i wonder why :whistle: :D

that response of yours was lame...'too many people play this game...i'm not good anymore'? wtf are you talking about? that made NO sense at all. i bet all the guys i play with are much better than you. accept the FR so i can show you...please! if you don't accept it, then quit talking smack like you're good if you won't back it up...because it doesn't mean sh*t. you may be good against the big team matchmaking noobs you play against, but play some mlg with me and we'll see how good you really are. ;)

sorry that i'm being so unkind about this, but i'm tired of your smart ass comments towards people who see the glaring problems with this game.
send me one ill be glad to rape you and your friends...

MixMasta
04-23-2005, 03:34 PM
that response of yours was lame...'too many people play this game...i'm not good anymore'? wtf are you talking about? that made NO sense at all. i bet all the guys i play with are much better than you. accept the FR so i can show you...please! if you don't accept it, then quit talking smack like you're good if you won't back it up...because it doesn't mean sh*t. you may be good against the big team matchmaking noobs you play against, but play some mlg with me and we'll see how good you really are. ;)

sorry that i'm being so unkind about this, but i'm tired of your smart ass comments towards people who see the glaring problems with this game.


That comment of his wasn't directed at anyone. It was a statement by him. He is saying that with the recent increase in popularity of Halo 2 on XBL, he no longer is as good as he was compared to the previous competition he had when the game had lost its popularity. I don't get why you would get angry at him for a comment like that.... :rolleyes:

Soundscape
04-23-2005, 03:44 PM
Damn dude, Bungie is really ***** smacking those who hated on the game. :) :rolleyes: how so then?




I gotta disagree Sound, Yes, BR definately should be on Coag, and Waterworks... but I don't see why it should be on, say, Lockout. It's a small map, so a med-range weapon is necessary... I perfectly am all for the "The ones it makes sense on" idea. Go Bungie!
since when is the smg a mid-ranged weapon? :watchout:
starting with a duel wieldable weapon just leads to spawn killing of those who have a single smg and just spawned by those who have duel wields and other better weapons.
how the hell are you supoosed to defend yourself against a decent sniper when you have an smg? a BR will keep them out of scope long enough to take cover. with an smg your just screwed.
the br takes some skill to use(ecspecially close range) unlike duel wields.

here's a post some guy put up for all the noobs at b.net who are against br starts.




MYTH: BRS makes spawnkilling worse.
No, it doesn't. If anything, it gives the spawning player a chance to fight off a would-be spawnkiller. The scenario of four players immediately BRing you on spawn in Midship and killing you in a second is just not realistic. I doubt there are any clans in MM right now that have the incredible coordination required to force a beneficial spawn for an enemy player AND be in a position to have all four players shooting the spawner. I'm not even sure if it's possible given the layout of Midship.

The second counterargument is that horrible spawnkilling already happens in MM. Spawned into a DW with your SMG? Too bad. Free kills for their team. Your teammate is pinned down by the Banshee spawn on ASC and keeps spawning you there? Too bad. Free kills for the sniper. With BR start, it's possible (but not easy) to deal with a spawnsniper.


MYTH: BRS kills dual wielding.
Dual wielding still has its place in BRS games. The difference is that it's an effective tactic, not a necessity. You can't just run around with PRSMG and expect kills in BRS. If you do it wrong, they get a kill. If you use strategy, you get kills. The BR sucks at close range and is literally too slow to kill a skilled dualer. If you can force them into tight quarters, your duals will win over their BR 90% of the time, provided there are no grenades and it's a 1 on 1 encounter. If you find this is never the case, practice coordinating attacks with your team. One or two players with duals at the right time can be an incredible asset. One or two players with duals at the wrong time can be an incredible detriment.


MYTH: BRS eliminates all weapons but the BR.
No good player is going to pass up the rockets or sword or sniper to keep their BR. The fact that the BR is a starting weapon doesn't mean no other weapons play a role. In fact, nothing changes except that the BR replaces the SMG as the fallback weapon. If you have rockets, of course you're not going to prefer your BR; you wouldn't keep your using your SMG if you had rockets either. The rockets blow stuff up. The BR doesn't. The sword slices stuff up. The BR doesn't. The sniper shoots stuff from far away. The BR sort of does, but not as well. All the weapons are used as much in BR start as they are in MM. All these weapons are much better in their specific role than the BR. The BR is just a good fallback weapon if you haven't gotten a better one yet


MYTH: BRS makes the sniper worthless.
It checks the power of the sniper. It turns the sniper from a weapon of utter domination into a weapon that only rapes in the right hands under the right conditions. You may not get a second shot off againt a good playerr who has a BR. If it's not a headshot, you may not get a kill. If you're quick with headshots or have teammates to draw the enemies' fire, you can successfully snipe. If you don't, just having a sniper is not going to guarantee anything for your team in terms of kills.


MYTH: The BR is the best weapon in the game.
If you can honestly say that every time you see a sword or rocket or sniper and you have a BR you will pass them up, you need to try out the real power weapons. The BR is a filler weapon. It's good at making up for the weaknesses of other weapons, but it is not the ultimate weapon. It doesn't rape the true power weapons; it just gives the BR user a chance. Against rockets or sword at short range or sniper at long range, it's not much of a chance, but it's something.


TRUTH: The combo is more prevalent in BRS.
Yes, it's true. The combo is much easier to get in BRS and it's at least as common as it is in MM.


TRUTH: The combo is not nearly as effective in BRS as it is in MM.
Yes, it's still powerful. Yes, it's probably even more ubiquitous. But it's not nearly as effective against a decent team. In MM, the combo is pretty much an automatic spree and a likely riot. The reason for that is that there is little a player with an SMG can do about it. In BRS, everyone has BRs. Not only are they more effective against the combo, but with BRs your teammates can actually help you instead of being forced to hide. A combo user will probably win in a 1 on 1 with straight BR. Don't let that happen. Two players with BRs shooting the combo guy will definitely kill him if they are good. He might get one kill, but he doesn't have the combo anymore. If any team gained an advantage, it was the non-comboing team, because the net score hasn't changed and they just got a combo delivered.


TRUTH: BRS gives the team without the power weapons a fighting chance.
In MM, once a team gets the power weapons (often based on the spawn), they get a lot of kills. The other team...doesn't. Because the BR is more versatile than the SMG the non-power team is not forced to run at the power team...and straight into optimal range for the sowrd and rockets, and past the optimal range of the sniper on the way there. They have a choice of strategy and are not forced to play on the power team's terms; they have more than one avenue of attack (straight in) and a better chance to prevail if they are better players.

Soundscape
04-23-2005, 03:55 PM
That comment of his wasn't directed at anyone. It was a statement by him. He is saying that with the recent increase in popularity of Halo 2 on XBL, he no longer is as good as he was compared to the previous competition he had when the game had lost its popularity. I don't get why you would get angry at him for a comment like that.... :rolleyes:
no, i think you misundertood him. his comments were directed towards the 'haters' which obviously means guys like me, scorpion, ghost, mikeman, maximus and others who have been very critical about all the flaws in this game. and he was asking what we would complain about next after they gave us a BR start in MM. saying that any average player could 'use' the br, trying to imply that we're not that good or something...i dunno.

i APOLOGIZE if i misunderstood you whisper...but i'm pretty sure i didn't.
there was no reason for me to call you a dumbass over a damn video game...that was just stupid on my part...sorry. but you know you've called others bad names that have always been very crtitical of this game..so i guess it goes both ways.
anyways...sorry bro. i admit i was in the wrong there with the insults.


and stunna, i've played with you before. i doubt you'l do much 'raping', but you were pretty good from what i seen. i'll send you an FR.

anyways..sorry for getting so defensive, guys. i would edit my post if i hand't already been quoted on it. it was a hasty response and a bad decision on my part. i'm not trying to act like i'm real good at this game(there are PLENTY who are much better than me), but it just seemed like whisper was trying to act like anyone including him could be good with the BR.

LoRd StOnEpAw
04-23-2005, 05:04 PM
I agree completely with that BRS Soundscape.

#1 Stunner, I haven't seen you on Live in a long time. You still on Mastaweed b/c I'd be happy to rape you :cool:


and when the haters come back and realise the "non pros" can use the BR too.. then what? what will they complain about next?

AHHH TOO MANY PEOPLE PLAY THIS GAME! I'M NOT GOOD ANYMORE!

Or maybe... just maybe... it'll be about who is better with it! Not who has the power weapons. Just a thought.

Whisper
04-23-2005, 05:09 PM
or maybe everyone will get even with it.. its not hard to become great with.. then it will be back to about the power weapons again

LoRd StOnEpAw
04-23-2005, 05:12 PM
or maybe everyone will get even with it.. its not hard to become great with.. then it will be back to about the power weapons again

Now, I know that you do not play much MLG customs. It's more than just FSK, which is really easy. There's much more to it than just shooting a BR. Besides, BR start would be the equalizer. Everyone would have a chance. Other things would decide which team wins. Teamwork, Map control, etc. In MLG customs, you don't need to have the sniper in the beginning to win unlike my oh so fav MM.

Soundscape
04-23-2005, 05:13 PM
accept my fr and play some customs with me...you'll see.

# 1 Stunner
04-23-2005, 05:28 PM
I agree completely with that BRS Soundscape.

#1 Stunner, I haven't seen you on Live in a long time. You still on Mastaweed b/c I'd be happy to rape you :cool:



Or maybe... just maybe... it'll be about who is better with it! Not who has the power weapons. Just a thought.
yeah ive been real busy lately with basketball and lifting and ish...if u see anyone playing on masterweed 216 its not me, its my older brother, my new account is "Tha Essence" so add that and we can get it going...