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TheCovenant
12-23-2005, 12:13 PM
Yup. I was having an argument at work, because im new and two of my co workers were trying to convince me that they actually had ps3, imported from japan. I won the argument because we have the internet at work, and im not an idiot.


I was telling blueranger about this while i was shopping at Kragen AUTO-Parts (as in, parts for my car) when the cashier stopped us in mid convo and said "you guys talking about ps3?"

I said yes, and he began. Ps3 is gonna be really good, sony is just waiting for the 360 hype to die down. Its coming in march, and it does exist.

Blueranger saw my tempurature spike, but i kept cool and acted like an sellout.



"oh word? thats crazy, i cant wait for my ps3 in march!"

me and marc (blue) looked at each other and laughed histerically. We walked out of the store and went home.


these ps3 fan boys are everywhere, and they're so uneducated...

CrazyCougar
12-23-2005, 12:17 PM
PS3 is coming in March??? Um I thought it wasnt until the fall in North America...LOL! Maybe fanboys know more than me..LOL!

Double_Diablo
12-23-2005, 12:55 PM
PS3 is coming in March??? Um I thought it wasnt until the fall in North America...LOL! Maybe fanboys know more than me..LOL!
Didn't you hear? The fanboys get theirs several months before the rest of the world for being Sony's b*tches.

FB-Gollum
12-23-2005, 05:42 PM
If the fanboys get theirs several months ahead, I'm off to PS3addict.com Later!

Seriously though, why do any of us care what a guy at an autoparts store says? Much less care enough to make a thread a thread about it. It's like me caring what a gamer has to tell me about the auto industry. Nod, smile, move on.

PS3 is going to be better they say? In some ways probably, in others no. Let's face facts, the 360 is a powerful enough piece of hardware that Sony would have to go to some pretty great expenses to outdo it any meaningful way (I think we covered this in another thread). On the other hand, if I can get a whole wack of incredible games for both systems, I htink it will be a blessing for gamers the world over. Get an Xbox for the more North American style FPS-centric games and a PS3 for some amazing Japanese RPG's. I think I just soiled myself at the thought of it...oh wait, I ate Taco Bell earlier, nevermind it wasn't the thought that did it.

WOO! Post 900! And I wasted it on this, go me!

laughs
12-23-2005, 10:23 PM
Well if the auto guy said it, it must be true :D

Goku_69
12-23-2005, 11:27 PM
ya what gets me is when people who work in electronic's departments of wal-mart tell eveyone that PS3 is going to be better, and that they should wait and get it instead.

thatdude222
12-24-2005, 11:02 AM
it's all going to come down to the games. PS3 will have similar games/game franchises as the PS2, and xbox 360 will have similar games/franchises to the xbox. seeing as how i like the xbox's games alot more than the PS2s, i have a 360, and probably wont get a PS3. dependes on whether or not you like the PS2's games.

swivel
12-24-2005, 02:26 PM
it's all going to come down to the games. PS3 will have similar games/game franchises as the PS2, and xbox 360 will have similar games/franchises to the xbox. seeing as how i like the xbox's games alot more than the PS2s, i have a 360, and probably wont get a PS3. dependes on whether or not you like the PS2's games.

I agree. And eventually they will all have the same games, and it won't matter. It will be like owning a Honda vs. a Toyota. As development costs keep going up, the game publishers are going to have to widen the market available to them. How many times in the last generation did you hear that a game was going to be exclusive, only to see it work its way to other systems? RE4, GTA, Viewtiful Joe, Halo. Now Sega is going to be making games for everyone as well. Even Microsoft is pushing to get Japanese-style games and more RPG's for the XBox2. So, even though you enjoyed the last generation's developmental selfishness, the rest of the industry is hoping and praying for something quite different.

TheCovenant
12-24-2005, 06:24 PM
I agree. And eventually they will all have the same games, and it won't matter. It will be like owning a Honda vs. a Toyota. As development costs keep going up, the game publishers are going to have to widen the market available to them. How many times in the last generation did you hear that a game was going to be exclusive, only to see it work its way to other systems? RE4, GTA, Viewtiful Joe, Halo. Now Sega is going to be making games for everyone as well. Even Microsoft is pushing to get Japanese-style games and more RPG's for the XBox2. So, even though you enjoyed the last generation's developmental selfishness, the rest of the industry is hoping and praying for something quite different.


yea, lets see that theory apply itself to the revolution, then we'll talk.

Sam-XBA
12-25-2005, 07:50 AM
Theres bloody loads of those fan boys.
My own friends too, i quote about 5 people here: ''I saw some really cool graphics in those ps3 movies, I have never actually seen any of the 360 movies, but ps3 is going to be so much better.
I think its cheaper too, and the games are cheaper, oh yeah! Better too!
Im not going to get a 360, il just wait for ps3 because it's c00l''

Pisses me off.

ll Mista GT ll
12-25-2005, 08:18 AM
Why does it get you guys mad? It's their choice. Why would you want potential PS3 buyers to join us on XBL? ;)

swivel
12-25-2005, 01:39 PM
yea, lets see that theory apply itself to the revolution, then we'll talk.

I should have made clear I was leaving Nintendo out. I was talking about PC/XBox2/PS3. In numerous other threads I've made the same point regarding the Revolution, its lack of power and HD, and the unique input options.

And what does your point have to do with us talking or not? Or are you just trying to be rude?

TheCovenant
12-25-2005, 03:29 PM
And what does your point have to do with us talking or not? Or are you just trying to be rude?


Im being an elitist bastard, and i was rude. It's just that i knew you'd swoop in to defend ps3 like you always do.

swivel
12-25-2005, 05:13 PM
Im being an elitist bastard, and i was rude. It's just that i knew you'd swoop in to defend ps3 like you always do.

Guess I'm guilty of not being a "One Console" fanboy.

I'll own both systems. Just like I do now.

And I will buy ported games on whichever system I prefer, just like I do now mainly for the XBox.

The reason I am on this site is because I love my XBox. Not because I hate Sony. I think you, and all of the close-minded hate mongers you troll around with should create AntiSonyAddicts.com and move over there. You unthinking fools are the worst thing for gaming. You want a monopoly? You want no competition? You want games to suffer because MS has a lock on you?

Great thinking, genius.

TheCovenant
12-25-2005, 07:53 PM
Guess I'm guilty of not being a "One Console" fanboy.

I'll own both systems. Just like I do now.

And I will buy ported games on whichever system I prefer, just like I do now mainly for the XBox.

The reason I am on this site is because I love my XBox. Not because I hate Sony. I think you, and all of the close-minded hate mongers you troll around with should create AntiSonyAddicts.com and move over there. You unthinking fools are the worst thing for gaming. You want a monopoly? You want no competition? You want games to suffer because MS has a lock on you?

Great thinking, genius.

Oh, you're gonna take the, "prejudice with no prior justification" stance. Ok, i can do that too.

'Not once have i ever seen you approve of anything xbox 360 related. You've been praising and warning about the coming of a console thats going to be superior to the 360 in every thread. Fact is, it doesn't exist, and wont for another year. Poeple like you need to stop trolling Kragen autoparts, mcdonalds, and all those non video game places of business. Even in videogames places, keep it to yourself. Nobody cares what you think. So if you feel so strongly about the ps3, and xbox 1, then go ahead and keep posting your ignorant posts. Im just saying theres some fine sony websites that wont have poeple like me calling you out for your stupidity.'


If the above sounded very ignorant, prideful, and uninformed; you now know what i felt when i was reading your post, swivel.

swivel
12-26-2005, 08:46 AM
Oh, you're gonna take the, "prejudice with no prior justification" stance. Ok, i can do that too.

'Not once have i ever seen you approve of anything xbox 360 related. You've been praising and warning about the coming of a console thats going to be superior to the 360 in every thread. Fact is, it doesn't exist, and wont for another year. Poeple like you need to stop trolling Kragen autoparts, mcdonalds, and all those non video game places of business. Even in videogames places, keep it to yourself. Nobody cares what you think. So if you feel so strongly about the ps3, and xbox 1, then go ahead and keep posting your ignorant posts. Im just saying theres some fine sony websites that wont have poeple like me calling you out for your stupidity.'


If the above sounded very ignorant, prideful, and uninformed; you now know what i felt when i was reading your post, swivel.

Please post here any words of mine stating that the PS3 will be more powerful. I have never, and would never say anything so dumb and unfounded. You are confusing me for someone else, and saying things unrtue about me hurts my feelings. Seriously. Really hurts my feelings. And if that makes you happy, or if you don't even care, then I feel sorry for you. Somehow your console has become more important to you than the feelings of strangers. Even strangers that tenuously belong to a like-minded group that you do.

All I have ever done is be skeptical about a new piece of technology. The same way I am about dual-core procs on the PC side, about physics cards being needed in PC's. About PS3's controller design. About the Revolution's lack of HD> But this isn't a PC, PS3, or Revolution forum. There is much XBox2 vs. PS3 talk, naturally, so these things come up. But I am even more skeptical of the PS3 than I am of the XBox2.

The problem with being a fanatic, which you seem to be, is that any sort of normalcy will seem so far in the opposite direction, that you assume I am on the other team. I've said hundreds of times that I am a gamer, above all else. That I love my XBox. And that I'm enjoying this generation while the next one matures. Just because I don't drool over every CGI shot, and call it an "In-Game", just because I don't take everything MS says as gospel, just because I don't get into the hype from those that want my money... you people pile up on me?

C'mon people. This is a forum. A place where we should be able to disagree without worrying about being attacked, or slandered, or misrepresented. I am sick of having to defend my neutral position here to every fanboy that runs around crying that I am part of the PS3 fanboy congregation. I am not.

But, everytime an XBox fanboy slams on the PS3 when they know as much (zero) about the system as I do... I will defend it. That is part of the territory that comes with neutrality. You do not abide by intellectual silliness from either side.

You also ignore the many threads where I have stated that I am most hopeful of the Revolution, and that my PC will play most of the games that come out for the XBox2 and PS3. Basically, you have already prejudged me, and lump me in with a group that you hate, so you hate me by extension. I bet if you knew that I was hispanic, you would hate me even more. The same sort of ignorance and intolerance applies.

StudioAlex
12-26-2005, 01:07 PM
I don't know what you tools are talking about. I've had my import PS3, from Kazakstan, for a couple of weeks now. They just released Halo 3 for it. The graphics are amazing and the glory hole feels just like the real thing.

swivel
12-26-2005, 02:32 PM
I don't know what you tools are talking about. I've had my import PS3, from Kazakstan, for a couple of weeks now. They just released Halo 3 for it. The graphics are amazing and the glory hole feels just like the real thing.

:)

Is the glory hole worth the premium edition? I mean, surely everyone will shell out the extra $100 for it eventually anyway.

TheCovenant
12-26-2005, 09:46 PM
Please post here any words of mine stating that the PS3 will be more powerful. I have never, and would never say anything so dumb and unfounded. You are confusing me for someone else, and saying things unrtue about me hurts my feelings. Seriously. Really hurts my feelings. And if that makes you happy, or if you don't even care, then I feel sorry for you. Somehow your console has become more important to you than the feelings of strangers. Even strangers that tenuously belong to a like-minded group that you do.

All I have ever done is be skeptical about a new piece of technology. The same way I am about dual-core procs on the PC side, about physics cards being needed in PC's. About PS3's controller design. About the Revolution's lack of HD> But this isn't a PC, PS3, or Revolution forum. There is much XBox2 vs. PS3 talk, naturally, so these things come up. But I am even more skeptical of the PS3 than I am of the XBox2.

The problem with being a fanatic, which you seem to be, is that any sort of normalcy will seem so far in the opposite direction, that you assume I am on the other team. I've said hundreds of times that I am a gamer, above all else. That I love my XBox. And that I'm enjoying this generation while the next one matures. Just because I don't drool over every CGI shot, and call it an "In-Game", just because I don't take everything MS says as gospel, just because I don't get into the hype from those that want my money... you people pile up on me?

C'mon people. This is a forum. A place where we should be able to disagree without worrying about being attacked, or slandered, or misrepresented. I am sick of having to defend my neutral position here to every fanboy that runs around crying that I am part of the PS3 fanboy congregation. I am not.

But, everytime an XBox fanboy slams on the PS3 when they know as much (zero) about the system as I do... I will defend it. That is part of the territory that comes with neutrality. You do not abide by intellectual silliness from either side.

You also ignore the many threads where I have stated that I am most hopeful of the Revolution, and that my PC will play most of the games that come out for the XBox2 and PS3. Basically, you have already prejudged me, and lump me in with a group that you hate, so you hate me by extension. I bet if you knew that I was hispanic, you would hate me even more. The same sort of ignorance and intolerance applies.




Well hot damn. I was expecting a lashing, not a level headed confrontation. I do feel like a jerk, and i apologize for my prejudice. You do have a tendency to swoop in and stick up for the ps3 from time to time though, that much i'm sticking with.

This thread was about me taking unfounded advice from a random person about a hobby i really enjoy. I read about both systems everyday and am totally caught up with the latest news. It frustrates me that most of the world automatically assumes the ps3 is more powerfull, by some informal default. Im not a fanboy, but i do have to defend the integrity of the system i own. I will not be looked down upon because of my desicions.

OH and by the way, Yo soy Venezolano.

www.myspace.com/thecovenant

thatdude222
12-26-2005, 10:53 PM
Booooo Ps3
Wooooo Xbox 360

pjh13
12-26-2005, 11:21 PM
I don't know what you tools are talking about. I've had my import PS3, from Kazakstan, for a couple of weeks now. They just released Halo 3 for it. The graphics are amazing and the glory hole feels just like the real thing.

we should play some halo 3 online someday i just got my import ps3 for christmas

StudioAlex
12-26-2005, 11:54 PM
we should play some halo 3 online someday i just got my import ps3 for christmas
mmmmm. glory hole...

swivel
12-27-2005, 06:58 AM
OH and by the way, Yo soy Venezolano.



:cheers:

Checked out your blog. Especially loved this:

"I hate things just because they are mainstream."

Pretty much sums up my life as a consumer.

Oh, and I will continue sticking up for anything gaming-related. Even the Virtual Boy (that thing was pretty damn cool!) and the Gyrobot (I love gyros!). So you will continue to see me wishing the PS3 well. Again, it is similar to politics. It's great for someone to dislike President Bush and campaign for, and vote for the other guy. But once someone is in office, even if you disagree with him, you should be pulling for the guy to do well. Instead, fanatacism has people hoping that our economy will tank. That millions will lose jobs. I know Democrats that were happy as hell when the Katrina response was hideous. They secretly love the body count in Iraq. I know this because I work with people that tell me these things.

The same applies to XBox lovers. They openly hope that when you plug in your PS3, that it will burn down houses. (Sony freaks have the same hopes for the XBox, all of this goes both ways). This is just crazy-seeming to me. Why does our happiness depend on the misery of others? Because recent psychological studies have borne this out. People would prefer to make $50,000 as long as their co-workers are making $30,000 RATHER THAN MAKE $100,000 while co-workers make $120,000. What researchers are finding is that our happiness is based on relative standards, not absolute ones.

This just screams to me that people are inherently evil, and that we must work hard to understand the human brain, our genetic predispositions, our chemical natures, and do as much as possible to control evil impulses. We must learn to struggle every day to be better people.

Part of that means that we should find happiness in the happiness of others. We should celebrate when everyone else is doing well. It sounds corny, I'm sure... but when you really start living like this, everything feels different, and becomes easy...

A PS3 fanboy would get on this site and cheer the lock-ups, the crashes, the dead controllers. I pity them. You know what my favorite posts are? The ones where people are exchanging gamer tags and you just know they are hooking up later for some gaming, some hootin' and hollerin', some laughing and cussing. But what do you post in reply to those messages? The really interesting threads are these, where people disagree, and there is some learning to be had.

ShadedNine
12-27-2005, 01:16 PM
That's all well and good swivel, but I'll pass on the headache inducing Virtual Boy all the same ;)

I think though, that our inherent competitiveness and greed comes from not having found any other purpose in life. For many people, they see life as a sort of 'real' game where you try to make as much money as you can. But since money is a relative thing, it comes down to simply having more money than those around you. Alternatively, many substitute power, or a some combination of the two, as their life's goal.

That's where religion or spirituality, or even science should come in.

swivel
12-27-2005, 04:23 PM
That's where religion or spirituality, or even science should come in.

We should start a thread in the "Off Topic" section. I would love to debate with you the pros and cons of religion. And the nature of materialism.

ShadedNine
12-27-2005, 09:51 PM
We should start a thread in the "Off Topic" section. I would love to debate with you the pros and cons of religion. And the nature of materialism.

/shrug. This thread evolved into it gracefully enough ;) I don't see it as all that off-topic here.

Besides, as much fun as such a topic might be, on the whole it involves far too much typing.

mrmp3
12-28-2005, 01:52 AM
The part I hate is how people think the PS3 once released will be immediately better. There's no way it will at launch. The PS3IGN article, the "Patience 360", was fanboyism at it's pinnacle. One argument was how bad 360's launch titles suck and how great PS3's will be. Well first I don't recall any company announcing they were launching their title with the system, probably because the system is just a theory for now. Secondly, the titles they listed really sound like a dream launch, stressing dream. MGS4, Warhawk, Gran Turismo, Tekken etc. I know it says potential, but the reason was specifically "Xbox 360 has no killer app". None of those titles will make launch, and maybe with the exception of Tekken, I don't see any of those titles being first year. All those developers take pride in their games. What your gonna get is one or two original titles, and then the developer who takes zero to no pride in making rehashes, EA, will toss in about 15 of their games. Thats the PS3 lineup. And just like the PS1 and PS2 lineup, it'll be garbage. Kameo, Condemned, Call of Duty 2, and PD0 are all almost high quality to high quality games. You go over to EB and look at all games scheduled to come out before Nov. , yea, that's a lot of good titles. So when PS3 does come out, you'll be hard-pressed.

And the reason I hate PS3 fanboys, just the stupid crap you hear about why it's better.

"It's more powerful" (true, but not to the extent of PS2/Xbox)

"It'll be cheaper"

"The games will be better"

That kind of stuff pisses me off.

Now if were talking after a year or two, well I don't have a crystal ball but then I'd be a fanboy if I said 360 would own. It probably will, but PS3, MGS4, you can only imagine another Twisted Metal game is coming, no doubt a slew of RPG's, it's tough to say but PS3 isn't gonna be #1 when it comes out, beyond that, things look a lot brighter.

swivel
12-28-2005, 06:20 PM
The part I hate is how people think the PS3 once released will be immediately better. There's no way it will at launch. The PS3IGN article, the "Patience 360", was fanboyism at it's pinnacle. One argument was how bad 360's launch titles suck and how great PS3's will be. Well first I don't recall any company announcing they were launching their title with the system, probably because the system is just a theory for now. Secondly, the titles they listed really sound like a dream launch, stressing dream. MGS4, Warhawk, Gran Turismo, Tekken etc. I know it says potential, but the reason was specifically "Xbox 360 has no killer app". None of those titles will make launch, and maybe with the exception of Tekken, I don't see any of those titles being first year. All those developers take pride in their games. What your gonna get is one or two original titles, and then the developer who takes zero to no pride in making rehashes, EA, will toss in about 15 of their games. Thats the PS3 lineup. And just like the PS1 and PS2 lineup, it'll be garbage. Kameo, Condemned, Call of Duty 2, and PD0 are all almost high quality to high quality games. You go over to EB and look at all games scheduled to come out before Nov. , yea, that's a lot of good titles. So when PS3 does come out, you'll be hard-pressed.

And the reason I hate PS3 fanboys, just the stupid crap you hear about why it's better.

"It's more powerful" (true, but not to the extent of PS2/Xbox)

"It'll be cheaper"

"The games will be better"

That kind of stuff pisses me off.

Now if were talking after a year or two, well I don't have a crystal ball but then I'd be a fanboy if I said 360 would own. It probably will, but PS3, MGS4, you can only imagine another Twisted Metal game is coming, no doubt a slew of RPG's, it's tough to say but PS3 isn't gonna be #1 when it comes out, beyond that, things look a lot brighter.


I think we should all admit that console launches, in general, suck big time. You just won't know anything about a system until 6 months to a year into the life cycle. The PS3 launch will be a big mess, with games that do not live up to the hype, and some sort of hardware problem that plagues enough users to become talked about online. Just like the XBox2 launch, and the PSP launch, and the XBox launch, and the PS2 launch, and the Gamecube launch.

The true hero of all systems has really been the Gameboy. Nobody talks about it enough, but look at how great all those systems have launched, how many have sold (more than any other console, ever), the great hardware upgrades and versions, and the solid titles. It is probably because the thing is so simple, compared to full systems.

ShadedNine
12-28-2005, 07:06 PM
That simplicity isn't really feasible in a home environment though, where multiple audio formats, various TVs and display types and other factors end up playing their part.

Anyway, the chances of MGS4 making PS3 launch are slim to none. It might make the north american launch, but not the system's launch. So maybe they'll gain a perceived edge in their launch lineup by actually delaying the hardware here for several months, but the hardware's capabilities are dated back to the original launch, stealing away some potential performance increases between it and the xbox.

killerscott
12-28-2005, 07:34 PM
...virtual boy sucked...

swivel
12-29-2005, 06:51 AM
That simplicity isn't really feasible in a home environment though, where multiple audio formats, various TVs and display types and other factors end up playing their part.

Anyway, the chances of MGS4 making PS3 launch are slim to none. It might make the north american launch, but not the system's launch. So maybe they'll gain a perceived edge in their launch lineup by actually delaying the hardware here for several months, but the hardware's capabilities are dated back to the original launch, stealing away some potential performance increases between it and the xbox.

It's so funny that everyone thinks the launch matters so much. The XBox and PS2 got huge increases in sales when they dropped their prices, several years into the lifecycle of the systems. The PS2 sold many more units when the "slim" version came out. The XBox flew off the shelf when Halo 2 was released, and the game had tons of publicity on the news. The PS2 flew off the shelf when the latest GTA game came out. (these were both times that I suspect PS2 owners bought their first XBox, and XBox owners bought their first PS2).

I really don't think the launch is going to make a difference. It will be the blind devotion to a label, first and foremost. After that, it will be price. And a distant third will be the game selection. I know this sounds backwards from what most experts say, but I humbly feel that this order is much closer to the truth. If the experts were right, we would be chatting at www.dreamcastaddict.com. There is less rhyme and reason here than most people would like.

ShadedNine
12-29-2005, 06:08 PM
The launch doesn't guarantee continued sales or drive a console throughout it's lifetime, but it does get the ball rolling. Because on top of the factors you mentioned, number one will always be games, and games aren't going to be put into development unless the console shows it's for real to begin with. That's why the original Xbox had such a monumental challenge before it, attempting to prove to developers that it was for real, and could in fact turn profits for them.

swivel
12-30-2005, 04:22 PM
Related incident today at Gamestop, didn't want yet another thread on this, but I think we should be logging the amount of times this stuff happens:

I was in Gamestop today (Picked up Pump It Up w/ dancepad to get my girlfriend in front of the XBox with me) and casually asked the employee there about the XBox2 shipments. (His tag said manager btw). He said, "The systems are coming out messed up, so there aren't enough to go around". I asked him how they were messed up and he said (I'm paraphrasing), "MOST of them are locking up on people and crashing and stuff".

So I told him that I assumed that meant he was getting a ton of returns, knowing he couldn't have been, and he said, "A couple".

I asked him what he thought about the upcoming PS3, and he said, "It is going to be much faster than the XBox2".

????

If this guy is really a manager... I just don't get it. How can you let your fanaticism destroy your sales like this? There are XBox2 games and accessories sitting on the shelf and he is basically urging me not to purchase any of them.

Anyway... I think all of us should police this a little. Next time you are game shopping, pose as an uneducated gamer... someone who knows absolutely nothing about any systems, and ask some general questions. It would be enlightening.

Also... when they have the response this guy did, can you guys think of anything civil to say that might change their habits (even if we can't change their fanaticism)? Maybe just being blunt, like: "Shouldn't you promote all systems as a game salesmen?".

ShadedNine
12-30-2005, 05:36 PM
You run into a little bit of a grey zone there though. For example, if we go back in time to when I did camera sales, should I, in respect to the store's policy, promote...say, Konica cameras equally beside the Canons? (back then at least, all the Konica's were terrible...the Minolta merger wiped that line out though).

Granted there's a world of difference between an educated salesman and someone running off a blind bias (and I have no hatred for Konica, they just weren't much good at making digitals). But how are you going to convince that salesman that he doesn't know his stuff and should probably stfu? Getting him to acknoledge you by quoting store policy isn't going to change his tune either, or it would have changed back when he became a manager.

I find the best way to confuse them is to say you'll be getting a PS3 as well, this tends to confuse them.

swivel
12-30-2005, 06:46 PM
You run into a little bit of a grey zone there though. For example, if we go back in time to when I did camera sales, should I, in respect to the store's policy, promote...say, Konica cameras equally beside the Canons? (back then at least, all the Konica's were terrible...the Minolta merger wiped that line out though).

Granted there's a world of difference between an educated salesman and someone running off a blind bias (and I have no hatred for Konica, they just weren't much good at making digitals). But how are you going to convince that salesman that he doesn't know his stuff and should probably stfu? Getting him to acknoledge you by quoting store policy isn't going to change his tune either, or it would have changed back when he became a manager.

I find the best way to confuse them is to say you'll be getting a PS3 as well, this tends to confuse them.

I see a huge difference between proven brand technology, such as Canons DIGIC2 processor, and systems that haven't even been released yet. This guy doesn't know what the PS3 will bring. I'm not sure anyone does.

I would have zero problem with him telling me to buy an XBox over the PS2 because it is more powerful, or has better graphics. I would also be pleased if he sold me a PS2 over an XBox because it has more games, and is still being supported. But telling me the PS3 is better than the XBox2, when one is available in his store (via preordering) and the other one is perhaps a year away... well.... I just think this is odd.


Related note: A source that had some info on the XBox2 prior to release, and was accurate has gotten some cred (his name is Fishie). Supposedly, this guy had some hands-on in Japan with an early PS3 build. He says there is no way in hell that the system will hit Japan in March. The games are not there, and the bugs are too numerous. He said he wouldn't be surprised to see a Christmas Japan release, and a March 2007 U.S. launch.

Take this as seriously as you like, or do some searching for his name.

Also... while I'm spreading rumors, a developer who is working on Oblivion supposedy said to another online poster that the game will be ready in Feb. and that they have a dev kit for the PS3 (he said the developer box is HUGE, another concern for a release anytime soon). According to this guy, the PS3 is VERY HARD to program for, but is much more powerful than the XBox2.

Take with a grain of salt.

I, for one, would rather support a system that is easy to code for than one with untapped power. I think the tables might be turned this generation if this is true. We may see a larger number of XBox2 titles, with a few PS3 titles being much "prettier".

Also, not a rumor: The Revolution is going to be "Less than $300". From Nintendo.

ShadedNine
12-30-2005, 09:15 PM
Running at standard resolution, it's certainly not surprising that the Revolution will fall below the $300 mark.

No shocker about the PS3 either. MS has a little bit more experience, having dominated the dev tools for PC gaming since the introduction of DirectX.

I do hope the PS3 does come out quite a bit later though. I don't care for the 5 year gap between console generations...if they spread out so each released one every 2.5 years, then I'd always have a relatively current machine to game on.

swivel
12-30-2005, 09:30 PM
I do hope the PS3 does come out quite a bit later though. I don't care for the 5 year gap between console generations...if they spread out so each released one every 2.5 years, then I'd always have a relatively current machine to game on.

100% agree.

pjh13
12-30-2005, 11:40 PM
i know there has been no offical number obvioulsy(spelling) but the rumors for the 360's price were fairly accurate so what are the rumors of ps3's price

swivel
12-31-2005, 06:07 AM
i know there has been no offical number obvioulsy(spelling) but the rumors for the 360's price were fairly accurate so what are the rumors of ps3's price

All I've heard is around $500. If so, it will be hilarious to hear all the XBox fans scream how expensive this is, when that is only $100 more than the XBox2. And watch the same people dismiss the Revolution because it is "too cheap". :)

The last generation of consoles sits on my rack for less than $500 (all three consoles). This generation is going to be around $1,200. So those games had better get more than twice as good in a hurry.

ShadedNine
12-31-2005, 01:01 PM
All I've heard is around $500. If so, it will be hilarious to hear all the XBox fans scream how expensive this is, when that is only $100 more than the XBox2. And watch the same people dismiss the Revolution because it is "too cheap". :)

The last generation of consoles sits on my rack for less than $500 (all three consoles). This generation is going to be around $1,200. So those games had better get more than twice as good in a hurry.

I really don't get why everybody made such a big deal about the price. If you add up inflation over the last coupla years, take into account the plummeting of the US dollar, and you'll find that it's really no different than the original Xbox at release.

I paid $450 CAD for my Xbox, if memory serves (well, a little less, since I abused a friend's walmart discount). Considering that it didn't come with the remote control, HD cables or a wireless controller, one might say that the 360 was in fact cheaper, at $500 CAD.

If you bought all 3 consoles for under $500 last gen, then you obviously didn't pick them up at release. If you were to do the same timing this time around, you'd likely pay a bit more, but not by much.

swivel
12-31-2005, 02:10 PM
I really don't get why everybody made such a big deal about the price. If you add up inflation over the last coupla years, take into account the plummeting of the US dollar, and you'll find that it's really no different than the original Xbox at release.

I paid $450 CAD for my Xbox, if memory serves (well, a little less, since I abused a friend's walmart discount). Considering that it didn't come with the remote control, HD cables or a wireless controller, one might say that the 360 was in fact cheaper, at $500 CAD.

If you bought all 3 consoles for under $500 last gen, then you obviously didn't pick them up at release. If you were to do the same timing this time around, you'd likely pay a bit more, but not by much.

I don't look at my things at cost value, but rather at replacement value. I have an Apple IIe in my electronics storeroom that I can't think of as a $4,000 piece of equipment. :)

My point exactly regarding the price. Anything around $500 is a steal. That's an entire system for the cost of one of my graphics cards. And I wouldn't be surprised to see the PS3 land here at $400. If the Revolution can launch for $200, that might make it something that many of us will pick up for a single A+ title. Zelda? Metroid? Animal Crossing?

Speaking of bang-for-the-buck... last week I got a copy of Gothic 2 (with the expansion) from Amazon for $17 !!! I must have at least 20 hours into it already, with no waning of passion for this game. It should hold me over until Oblivion comes out, and that should keep me busy until the XBox2 lineup matures, which will put me right in the middle of the PS3 launch/debacle.

This year is going to go by so fast.....

TheCovenant
01-02-2006, 01:53 AM
christ, this thread got way longer than i intended....