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Whisper
02-02-2007, 08:08 PM
Story:

I bought Rainbow Six Vegas on December 20th. By the 1st week of January, "disc unredable errors" were popping up once and a while. Less than 2 weeks later, they became frequent in loading screens / games. By mid-month, the disc passed away (ie: wouldn't even start up before D.E). The game did have some scuffs on it by the end, but it was never dropped.. and was left one overnight not in a case maybe twice. I have never had a came crap out on me like this.. ever.. so I wasn't that angry, and bit the bullet and just bought it again.

With the 2nd copy of the game, I was EXTRA careful, just incase maybe I did **** things up and a cat walked over it one of the nights it was left out. The 2nd disc was never outside of the case or system, not even when a movie was being watched (i frequently just lay the disc on my stand, and put it back in after movie). Not this time.. it was always enclosed in something. I am now a month on to this disc, and it is near-death (ie: I can get past the credits, and the first menu screen before getting D.E). The disc now has a couple scuffs, just like the previous one did.. so my conclusion is, the xbox is scuffing the disc. This isn't a surprise, as all trays eventually scuff discs, but not enough to damage them so soon in their life.

I suppouse it is possible something has shifted in the xbox, and I am getting something damaging the disc as it spins... but here is the twist to this story.. I don't get D.E. errors on any other game.. not even Perfect Dark, which has gotten more play than any other game I have ever owned for either XBOX. It isn't played much nowadays, but if something was damaging discs, wouldn't it become unplayable too? Call of Duty 3 is the #2 played game, and it has no problems either.

So I have come up with 2 possible theorys:

1) The system is scuffing the discs, but only Rainbow Six is effected enough because it's a newer game, and im guessing, more demanding on the system.. leading to a D.E. error.

2) The system isn't damaging the discs (see: other games are fine), and I actually managed to somehow get back-to-back defective discs, bought from seperate stores.

I've called 4MYXBOX.. they said as a first troubleshoot to delete any saved files from RSV, as a corrupted file could cause DE errors. It didn't help.

NEW DEVELOPMENT:
As i was typing this, my friend called me back. Earlier tonight I gave him my game to play on his system (to determine system or game issue). The game gets D.E. on his system too (which is 4 months new).

So the system must be scuffing the disc.

So.. why do other games not have problems? Why Rainbow.. twice?


Well that is my story.. I needed to vent it somewhere. I could get my system replaced / repaired for free as far as I know (it's a launch system)... but this won't bring back my game. Will a warranty on the game cover damage done by the system? Christ I don't know what to do.. I'm so depressed right now.. two $70 games and a $500 system all confirmed to have issues in the last month.

Wiseguy
02-02-2007, 08:30 PM
Maybe you just got two defective discs? I mean, it can happen and even though it sucks it's better to rule out the disc than the Xbox. I would take it back to the store and explain that maybe, and this may sound wierd, the disc is "unbalanced" meaning that it's defective when it was manufatured and this causes it to spin in your Xbox at an akward angle and that is damaging your disc. If you've played other games and never had this problem this would either point to a defective disc, or maybe, in a rare case, a defective Xbox that has gotten worse over time. Either that or your Xbox is on an uneven surface and you're not noticing that it is, but I assume you would notice

Anyway, I would try onre more disc and maybe contact customer service at Xbox and also Ubisoft to let them know. Hope it works out for you.

wulkar
02-02-2007, 08:32 PM
Wow man, thats really strange. maybe the Rainbow disc is slightly larger or heavier then the first or maybe its lighter, or i know nothing about the the hardware involved in games and am just throwing out random crap. (most likely the latter)

i hope you can get it fixed and maybe the guys at your local game store will have some pity for you and give a little discount, or even a used copy to trade it for.

laughs
02-02-2007, 10:18 PM
Rent a 360 and then switch it with yours... Same goes for Rainbow Six Vegas, just rent it and get scratch protection on it... Switch them over and you're golden. Morals go out the window :)

Reclaimer
02-02-2007, 11:22 PM
Rainbow Six Vegas is a defective game.

I'm having all sorts of issues with the game and you read the Ubi forums for the game, people have are screaming about all sorts of issues ranging from DDEs, weird game glitches like one that I'm having in Dante's Casino theater, or being unable to talk to other people in the game.

People are saying that Ubi will say it's a Microsoft problem and Microsoft says to delete your game saves or try to get a new game disc. However Microsoft is quick to tell you on the phone it's a programming problem with the game.

EMX
02-03-2007, 09:29 AM
It's Tom Clancy ****ing with you.

Shawn-XBA
02-03-2007, 10:59 AM
I've been having a couple of games that my 360 has been scratching. Its weird though because its always the same games, it doesn't do it to all of them. The games are NFS:MW and like you R6V. I think I am going to get a new 360 and see if its the system, I just don't know how 2 disks only get scratched up and the others don't

Metallica_Rules
02-03-2007, 11:08 AM
Is your 360 in a place where it won't over heat easily, and it's also possible if your 360 is vertical the disk might sit in it funny. I would suggest getting a fan for it

Reclaimer
02-03-2007, 01:26 PM
I hate when people say.. dude, it's your 360.

No it's not. I have a ton of other games, I have had only one lock up during any of those games and that was Battlefield Modern Combat, and that was forever ago. I've had my 360 since last father's day, I play it regularly and it locks up left and right with Rainbow Six Vegas.
Of all the problems that game has, it's just outright defective.

Don't tell me it's my 360.

BananaMan
02-05-2007, 02:21 PM
I locked up about 4 times yesterday with this game. It does it all the time, and my xbox is less than a month old.

Whisper
02-23-2007, 08:50 PM
well over the last few weeks, other games started to become unplayable.. and then a brand new movie wouldn't be read, so I then knew it had to be the system.

getting replaced for free curtosy of microsoft

thanks MS! sincerly, there might be a lot of hardware failure out there, but they have always been nice with me, i've never paid a penny, this will be my 2nd free system from them

wulkar
02-23-2007, 09:53 PM
well over the last few weeks, other games started to become unplayable.. and then a brand new movie wouldn't be read, so I then knew it had to be the system.

getting replaced for free curtosy of microsoft

thanks MS! sincerly, there might be a lot of hardware failure out there, but they have always been nice with me, i've never paid a penny, this will be my 2nd free system from them

Glad to hear you finally got it figured out, and a free replacement is always good.