Did these Xbox products fail to live up to expectations?

[Mikewarrior]

I'll list most that I know of that seemed a commercial failure or wasn't critically acclaimed Xbox games/accessories -

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/pict/380016954587_1.jpg

http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/pict/220223276770_1.jpg

http://media.teamxbox.com/xbox-hardware/boxart/1130699128.jpg

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/263/201490263.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/636CF1D5-8CC9-4CF4-AE6D-5024A4A18609/0/boxxboxmusicmixer.jpg

[Mikewarrior]

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/880/50014880.jpg - Not commercial failures like the others, but a failure in quality... that's for sure. I had 3 break on me.

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/951/50018951.jpg

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/683/50014683.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/702670FB-65A1-47CD-BBE6-C72BDFDFED95/0/boxazurik.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/2AEDABF8-C302-4E6B-B5D4-BD1D667F89A5/0/boxbloodwake_PHbox.jpg

[Mikewarrior]

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/10F43FFA-BAF0-4AFA-8616-651759A3DE3B/0/boxkungfuchaos.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/1EC72F81-6034-4053-98E9-731D909BB5B4/0/boxquantumredshift.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/A25A225E-98CC-415F-B195-88B2D6CFD9A1/0/boxsneakers.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/8292C8DA-79F4-435F-B7F6-5A3E9AF14414/0/boxtaofengfistofthelotus.jpg

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/692/50012692.jpg

[Mikewarrior]

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/920/50018920.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31H3XF6JWNL._SL500_AA150_.jpg

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/964/50014964.jpg

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/960/50014960.jpg

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/689/50012689.jpg

[Mikewarrior]

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/683/50012683.jpg

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/400/50011400.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/866BA269-1478-4A2C-B9D7-CE63A3B95F19/0/boxmidtownmadness3.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/80D86B0D-99FE-4B94-AAB9-E992D6A5B69C/0/boxvoodoovince.jpg

[Mikewarrior]

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/F2ED961E-F981-472B-803B-51F199539D4D/0/boxmlbinsidepitch2003.jpg

http://media.teamxbox.com/games/boxart/image6797.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61-z7PciPnL._SL160_AA115_.gif

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51B7VM6B8PL._SL160_AA115_.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51W5VB79FVL._SL160_AA115_.jpg

[Mikewarrior]

http://media.teamxbox.com/games/boxart/image1732.jpg

http://media.teamxbox.com/games/boxart/image5958.jpg

http://media.teamxbox.com/games/boxart/image6620.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/all/boxshots2/914513.jpg

If I forgot any other Xbox ones by Microsoft - Please let me know.

[Mikewarrior]

Man that is a lot, Now onto Microsoft 360's failed attempts at commercial/critical success...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417Jgn4nptL._SL500_SS100_.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/3E29F304-595B-4B1A-9849-3F571EA1BA4B/0/stnvision001.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/D6DF6C57-8188-453A-90A0-79474CF08641/0/stnscreenshot1.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/B909C8C5-1078-429A-89D7-FBE54E0A80BB/0/stnWiFi068LR.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/99FD5CF8-59EC-4659-897D-FF076581668B/0/boxchatpad.jpg

[Mikewarrior]

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/14A2F8E1-F0C3-4ACA-B747-38B0B2333F46/0/boxxbox360Headset.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/79C63D6B-F55E-47A4-983F-F74D0E3C4026/0/boxpersonalize2.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/5557436F-D5B2-407D-BBF2-E2FF8807A0A3/0/boxbluedragon.jpg

http://media.teamxbox.com/games/boxart/1125341614.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/BD24D93E-EE4B-4F1C-9B31-C932F84A6B3B/0/boxshadowrun.jpg

[Mikewarrior]

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/B014FED5-8AE0-43FD-A38C-CBB9D139A0F5/0/boxvivaPartyAnimals.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/all/boxshots2/932328_74162.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/669460EF-CAC9-4819-ACC3-C5F012D30017/0/boxlostOdyssey.jpg

What else & what is next for the 360 to not reach top tier quality in critical acclaim, or success?

[CrazyCougar]

What in the world are you talking about? maybe you need to just go play your PS3 so you can be happy then. Not sure what you ar trying to say or prove on an Xbox releated site other than to try and start arguments with folks. Please keep your anti-setiment towards MS and its products in a forum that could appreciate it. XBA isnt that place.

But to humor you a little, not sure what your definition of failure is but I tend to disagree with a few of your examples ....

Games -
Links 2004 - Huge Following to this day, Now unless you are referring to XSN, then you should just say that
Perfect Dark Zero - While not one of my favorties, still held to dear to many others and played online quite regularly
Faceplates - in case you havent noticed, these are quite a collectors item
Sneakers? - Going for a stretch here? Kids were the target of the Toys R Us exclusive

[Mikewarrior]

What in the world are you talking about? maybe you need to just go play your PS3 so you can be happy then. Not sure what you ar trying to say or prove on an Xbox releated site other than to try and start arguments with folks. Please keep your anti-setiment towards MS and its products in a forum that could appreciate it. XBA isnt that place. - Nothing is perfect... Fanboys need to know & so does Microsoft.

But to humor you a little, not sure what your definition of failure is but I tend to disagree with a few of your examples ....

Games -
Links 2004 - Huge Following to this day, Now unless you are referring to XSN, then you should just say that - It still was a commercial failure in not selling so well
Perfect Dark Zero - While not one of my favorties, still held to dear to many others and played online quite regularly - It's one of the most overrated games ever & most gamers laugh about how pathetic it is.
Faceplates - in case you havent noticed, these are quite a collectors item - Sales are not so hot
Sneakers? - Going for a stretch here? Kids were the target of the Toys R Us exclusive - It was crap & it sold as well

Microsoft needs to do better & we as consumers need to talk about it more so they realize it.

[Steeps5]

well i actually use the wireless adapter, and it works very well for me

[CrazyCougar]

MIke, Has anyone here stated the 360 as being perfect? Nope. YOu are barking up the wrong tree sir. As for titles not selling well, why not post some PS1 and PS2 and even PS3 titles and products that havent sold well. How about some Nintendo product that have flopped?

Bottom line is, your arguments are very unproductive and anti-MS/Xbox completely. What does that say about you on an Xbox fan site? I'll let you think about that.

I will say this, if you keep up with the negativity towards the Xbox/Xbox 360 you will find youself unable to post in the future. I'll let you think about that too. Nothing wrong with posting opinions on something, but when it seems your opinions on everythign Xbox are negative than you start to wear out a welcome.

[Ainokeatoo]

Man that is a lot, Now onto Microsoft 360's failed attempts at commercial/critical success...

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/D6DF6C57-8188-453A-90A0-79474CF08641/0/stnscreenshot1.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/B909C8C5-1078-429A-89D7-FBE54E0A80BB/0/stnWiFi068LR.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/99FD5CF8-59EC-4659-897D-FF076581668B/0/boxchatpad.jpg

Steering wheel of course it sold and is worth it to, nimrod.

Wireless adapter works perfectly fine and does what it's supposed to, it saved me money from having to buy a wireless gaming adapter that would have taken up even more space.

Chat pad is something I now want because a keyboard is to big to lug around.

[Ainokeatoo]

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/880/50014880.jpg - Not commercial failures like the others, but a failure in quality... that's for sure. I had 3 break on me.

http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_images/951/50018951.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/2AEDABF8-C302-4E6B-B5D4-BD1D667F89A5/0/boxbloodwake_PHbox.jpg

You had three break? Stop stepping on the god damn thing and it wouldn't break.

Lots of people played Mechassault 2 Lone Wolf, there was even a league for it on team compete.

I still have bloodwake and play it every now and then.


I'll list most that I know of that seemed a commercial failure or wasn't critically acclaimed Xbox games/accessories -

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/pict/380016954587_1.jpg

http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/pict/220223276770_1.jpg



The original controllers were awesome, I don't know what the hell you're trying to say there.

And that's a damn memory card, the original xbox didn't need a damn memory card like the PS2 because it could store data on the console itself, thank you very much. Jesus, sometimes I wonder if you've ever owned a 360 or you just go to xbox fansites saying bull**** like you've had five 360's fail on you.

Oh and I know like hell you're trying to diss the faceplates, do you see the separate forum here for faceplates?

Please get some sense before you post anymore.

[WillyV2]

This thread makes me laugh.

I'm not really sure what you are trying to prove, Mike. I don't agree with a lot of the products you posted, regardless of whether they have sold a lot or not, doesn't matter. If the product is good, then that's all we really need. I think we all know, what doesn't have good quality and what does and what games will sell well and won't, we don't need you to come here and ramble on about something useless.

[Dr_J]

Man that is a lot, Now onto Microsoft 360's failed attempts at commercial/critical success...
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417Jgn4nptL._SL500_SS100_.jpg
The HD DVD player was a success. It was the cheapest player you could get. It was the format that failed, genius.

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/B909C8C5-1078-429A-89D7-FBE54E0A80BB/0/stnWiFi068LR.jpg
I have this and it worked perfectly. I no longer use it because I installed a fiber-optic network in my house and it goes directly into the back of my 360, so it is no longer needed.

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/99FD5CF8-59EC-4659-897D-FF076581668B/0/boxchatpad.jpg
This is one of the best products to come out for the 360. You're trippin' of you think this product has failed.


You are severely reaching to try to ***** about anything Xbox.

Get a clue, dude.

[Stifler]

i love bloodwake and midtown madness 3. i hope they become an xbox original on the marketplace.

i also use the chatpad to send questionable messages to my buddies.

[Variation-XBA]

i also use the chatpad to send questionable messages to my buddies.
You never send me love messages anymore :(

[Mikewarrior]

Guys... Thanks for the constructive criticism. Without people consistently talking about Microsoft’s failed attempts, it seems people forget, or let it go to the wayside not ever thinking about how it needs to be improved or marketed for better sales. I state it like I see it no matter what "Just for discussion sake"... If you don't like it, well - TOO f-ing bad! How about you just don't look? If there is good news to post, I'll post it, & if there is bad I'll do the same no matter what the platform. This idea came to mind when I started to look back at the things/games brought to us by Microsoft = so don't hate on me for showing the reality of it all.

You can't always be happy go lucky as a consumer, or you'll constantly get crapped on while you give them a smile. It's just funny to me how people protect things that they purchased while never admitting it has such faults, or ever wanting to talk about them.

This thread is more for Microsoft & their fanboys to have something to think about… Microsoft/gamers can’t learn if they forget the past - Like the old saying goes, “You learn more from failing than wining” When Microsoft gives us something to praise, I'll be the first in line to sing it.

It's funny how people can hate on me, call me names for brining up realistic points. Gaming toys are serious business! :hail:

At least I'm finding out now that Xbox supporters are the same as the Sony ones in their fanatical way of thinking that something is better than it really is... & saying something bad about an inanimate object is like calling their mom a whore.

[Ainokeatoo]

No, saying something that is completely wrong on a site made for such things, is just ****ing stupid. What realistic points did you bring up? Other than the fact that you've never owned a single thing you've posted. You have nothing to say back to us so now you're going to sit here criticising us, how ****ing typical.

[Mikewarrior]

No, saying something that is completely wrong on a site made for such things, is just ****ing stupid. - Now what is wrong with what I said... Go back & read the thread title & what I said in the OP. What realistic points did you bring up? - That these Xbox items either didn't sell well, or didn't live up to the publics/critics expectations. Other than the fact that you've never owned a single thing you've posted. - Lol, you are foolish to think that... I can take a pic if you like? You have nothing to say back to us so now you're going to sit here criticising us, how ****ing typical. - Can't take the heat.. GET OUT, because I took your criticism, yet all you do is cry?

These toys must be precious for you to defend them so.:bang:

[SamSmith]

Mike u sux. I writ dis frm m mbile. Vwls r bad.

[tsrdawg]

1) I prefer the Duke controller over the S version.

2) The xbox spherex surround system didnt sell well...but it got awesome reviews for its sound clarity...

3) I still have my original communicator, almost 5 years later...maybe you should take better care of your toys:cheers:

[WillyV2]

Guys... Thanks for the constructive criticism. Without people consistently talking about Microsoft’s failed attempts, it seems people forget, or let it go to the wayside not ever thinking about how it needs to be improved or marketed for better sales. I state it like I see it no matter what "Just for discussion sake"... If you don't like it, well - TOO f-ing bad! How about you just don't look? If there is good news to post, I'll post it, & if there is bad I'll do the same no matter what the platform. This idea came to mind when I started to look back at the things/games brought to us by Microsoft = so don't hate on me for showing the reality of it all.

You can't always be happy go lucky as a consumer, or you'll constantly get crapped on while you give them a smile. It's just funny to me how people protect things that they purchased while never admitting it has such faults, or ever wanting to talk about them.

This thread is more for Microsoft & their fanboys to have something to think about… Microsoft/gamers can’t learn if they forget the past - Like the old saying goes, “You learn more from failing than wining” When Microsoft gives us something to praise, I'll be the first in line to sing it.

It's funny how people can hate on me, call me names for brining up realistic points. Gaming toys are serious business! :hail:

At least I'm finding out now that Xbox supporters are the same as the Sony ones in their fanatical way of thinking that something is better than it really is... & saying something bad about an inanimate object is like calling their mom a whore.

You can say we're all "Microsoft fanboys" or whatever you want, while that may be true or not, is another argument.

All of the products you posted, some of us probably would agree with you that they either didn't live up to expectations, or, didn't sell very well while on the market. The fact of the matter is, what is your point? You say "Nothing is perfect... Fanboys need to know & so does Microsoft." Well, us 'fanboys' don't need to be told years after their release which products disappointed and which didn't, like previously said. I don't think anyone here is afraid to admit a purchase for their Microsoft console was a bad choice; on the same note I don't think just because something didn't have massive success in stores that it is a bad thing. People have their likes and dislikes, people have their own opinions.

That is the way of the industry. Things are going to succeed, things are going to fail. There is nothing to "let" developers know, it's always going to be this way. There is nothing we can do to change this, everything that releases over the stretch of a consoles life is not going to be considered a huge success. It's just not practical.

[Ainokeatoo]

These toys must be precious for you to defend them so.:bang:

Nope, I just hate ignorance. You say these products failed, some of them just very well may have, but most of them did not, before you post once more, try thinking a little.

[Variation-XBA]

1) I prefer the Duke controller over the S version.


DUDE, you are like the only other person I know other than myself that feels this way too!

RESPECT DA FATTY :hail:

[Reclaimer]

You want to know what failed miserably? It was the partnership between Microsoft and RCA to produce a line of TV's called the "Xbox Entertainment Series" Tv's. The TV's would all have "Vports", otherwise known as that proprietary Xbox connector. All you had to do was spring the cash for the TV, then buy the Vport cable from RCA and that was it.
The Vport cable supposedly offered a better picture than component inputs and was pretty much the middle road for those that couldn't afford the bazillion dollar hi-def TV's when it was in it's fledgling technological introductory state.

It just so happened I moved to Houston TX when those TV's came out. What didn't really survive the move was my old 25 inch Zenith TV. So I was already looking for a new TV, Best Buy was selling a 37 inch model for 799. Keep in mind this was years and years ago. Like 5 years tops.
So I bought the TV.

It was a good TV for what it was. I never bought that Vport cable because nobody.. not even the RCA people over the phone had any idea what I was talking and about it pissed me off that the TV didn't even come with the damn thing.

On a side note, the dvd controls on the TV's universal remote operated the Xbox's DVD controls (providing you had the little IR sensor)

Despite it being a good TV, I guess I should really say that the Vport thing failed and never caught on. Hell the TV was nice.

[JakofallAces]

whats wrong with the network adapter i have used it for over a year and it works awesome

[Dr_J]

Nope, I just hate ignorance.

Amen to that!


Before you post once more, try thinking a little.

I have a better idea.....just do the world a favor and kill yourself.

[Ainokeatoo]

Gah, RCA I now hate that company, their TV's are official crap, I bought one and the damn thing crapped out after a month it was brand new to. I will never buy from rca again.

[Not Pink]

Can you please post exlanations or even
sources of why you think these products
failed or didn't live up to expectations?

[Not Green]

Guys... Thanks for the constructive criticism. Without people consistently talking about Microsoft’s failed attempts, it seems people forget, or let it go to the wayside not ever thinking about how it needs to be improved or marketed for better sales. I state it like I see it no matter what "Just for discussion sake"... If you don't like it, well - TOO f-ing bad! How about you just don't look? If there is good news to post, I'll post it, & if there is bad I'll do the same no matter what the platform. This idea came to mind when I started to look back at the things/games brought to us by Microsoft = so don't hate on me for showing the reality of it all.

You can't always be happy go lucky as a consumer, or you'll constantly get crapped on while you give them a smile. It's just funny to me how people protect things that they purchased while never admitting it has such faults, or ever wanting to talk about them.

This thread is more for Microsoft & their fanboys to have something to think about… Microsoft/gamers can’t learn if they forget the past - Like the old saying goes, “You learn more from failing than wining” When Microsoft gives us something to praise, I'll be the first in line to sing it.

It's funny how people can hate on me, call me names for brining up realistic points. Gaming toys are serious business! :hail:

At least I'm finding out now that Xbox supporters are the same as the Sony ones in their fanatical way of thinking that something is better than it really is... & saying something bad about an inanimate object is like calling their mom a whore.

Listen, I guess I could go through and post a picture of all the games I have ever bought and said, " Hey, all of these things had atleast one thing wrong with them." Then, I could be mad that people are calling me captain obvious.

Games are going to have their faults. Get over it. There is no game that is perfect in every aspect. You have to find the games that have very few faults and praise those. Not because of perfection but because they are great games for having fewer faults than others. Games should bring you joy, not such dismay that you would get on these forums and say every single Xbox product you ever purchased had a flaw.

Oh, and I don't see how you could find fault in the regular Xbox Memory Card. What did you want? For it to have more space? I mean I guess nothing will ever be perfect then because there will always be room for more space. Please think before you post...

[Mikewarrior]

Either critical acclaim, or success in sales, so let me know what one of those Microsoft Xbox products don't belong in that category?

Just liking a game does not make it a AAA title, or make it a great selling item.

[Reclaimer]

Gah, RCA I now hate that company, their TV's are official crap, I bought one and the damn thing crapped out after a month it was brand new to. I will never buy from rca again.

You know, that RCA eventually died. The integrated power transformer that is non replaceable as a single part burned out. It died last month. I think in all the TV lasted maybe 8 years, maybe not that long since I had to replace it with my new plasma TV.

It used to be that TV's lasted damn near forever, they were considered like furniture. You bought it and it just lasted and lasted. Even the Zenith before it lasted longer and probably would have lasted even longer if it wasn't for the hurricane.

So I wasn't too happy with the short life span of that RCA product.

[Not Green]

Just liking a game does not make it a AAA title, or make it a great selling item.

I don't see how you can justify this. You have to like a game to purchase it. If everyone likes a game then everyone is going to buy it. Therefore making it a AAA title and a great selling item. Does that make sense buddy? I could go through your list and pick out half of the things that you posted and tell you why you are wrong.

Like Bloodwake for example.

"The game was not literally an Xbox launch title, since its debut was part of a second wave of game releases thirty days after the first launch. Microsoft backed Blood Wake with a television advertising campaign on release, and it reached the #4 position on the NPD sales charts in early 2002, and later that year was the #1 game on the NPD Xbox game rental rankings."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Wake

So now do you say Bloodwake was a game that didn't live up to its expectations?

[DozertheDozaria]

Ok... I've read all the threads... I've read all the posts... Now I'm going to weigh in with my opinions... Here goes:

The idea behind this thread is not a bad one. The title of this particular thread is a question, not a definitive "Screw these products"-style post. It appears to be meant as a topic for discussion. "Do you think XXX was a failure?" "Did XXX meet the expectations M$ touted?" That's what I'm seeing.

That said, I'm not sure this is the best place for said topic. XBA is a haven for Xbox Fanboys. Now I say that realizing that, while new here, I'm always quick to voice my opinion. And that, I suppose, makes me a fanboy, too. I can deal with that.

So posting something that has the potential to turn into a complete flame-fest is not the best idea. Couple that with the fact that people already suspect mikewarrior of being a PSFanboy and you have the potential for maximum flamage. "Look! There's smoke! It must be fire!!!" And it is.

Now... Mikewarrior, I really don't care what your intentions were with this post at this point. You're a grown man (I'm assuming) so you can post what you like where you like. But seriously, please consider posting things of this nature elsewhere. If you want a discussion of the ups and downs of a given company's hardware/software decisions, try somewhere with a little less vehemently one-sided crowd. XBA obviously has responded that they don't want it here.

Now, maybe, a mod will lock this thread and the others and we can move one...

[Mikewarrior]

Like Bloodwake for example.

"The game was not literally an Xbox launch title, since its debut was part of a second wave of game releases thirty days after the first launch. Microsoft backed Blood Wake with a television advertising campaign on release, and it reached the #4 position on the NPD sales charts in early 2002, and later that year was the #1 game on the NPD Xbox game rental rankings."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Wake

So now do you say Bloodwake was a game that didn't live up to its expectations?

lol, no you don't make any sense... Just because the game got on the NPD ONE month at the #4 position & was the #1 RENTED Xbox game for that year, doesn't make it a success, or a AAA game status by the critics... Now, go get a clue.

[WillyV2]

lol, no you don't make any sense... Just because the game got on the NPD ONE month at the #4 position & was the #1 RENTED Xbox game for that year, doesn't make it a success, or a AAA game status by the critics... Now, go get a clue.

You know what? Everybody has been saying this to you, all games aren't going to be perfect. Live with it, seriously. Your not going to have a console with all perfect games, your not going to have a developer release all perfect games. It's not realistic. So before you come in here, and start making useless threads, think. I could sit here all day and complain about games I didn't like for the NES, SNES, Sega consoles all the way up through until now if I wanted too. What is the point? There is no point. It's dumb, and a waste of time.

[Mikewarrior]

You know what? Everybody has been saying this to you, all games aren't going to be perfect. Live with it, seriously. Your not going to have a console with all perfect games, your not going to have a developer release all perfect games. It's not realistic. So before you come in here, and start making useless threads, think. I could sit here all day and complain about games I didn't like for the NES, SNES, Sega consoles all the way up through until now if I wanted too. What is the point? There is no point. It's dumb, and a waste of time.

Nope, I'm showing what was successful & what wasn't successful for the Xbox brand in two different threads... Microsoft needs to find out that they have had more failures than successes with the Xbox & what they need to do to change that... By looking at the failures, it can paint a picture in what Microsoft did wrong to promote/develop each item.. Please stop being stupid fanboys for a second!

[CrazyCougar]

Please stop being stupid fanboys for a second!

Watch it bud, you are treading on thin ice now. You are making things personal. Set aside the fact that you want to be anti-MS in everything you say. Sure, you posted another thread of MS successes, after you took heat for posting all negative stuff about MS and the Xbox brand. Both of your threads are completely based on opinion and not fact. Your opinion that is. MS is well aware of what has worked and what has not. And you know what, despite what you may think they know alot more about marketing products than you'll ever dream to. In todays world, it like the old saying "One man's junk is another man's treasure." Same goes for video games and peripherals.

[WillyV2]

Nope, I'm showing what was successful & what wasn't successful for the Xbox brand in two different threads... Microsoft needs to find out that they have had more failures than successes with the Xbox & what they need to do to change that... By looking at the failures, it can paint a picture in what Microsoft did wrong to promote/develop each item.. Please stop being stupid fanboys for a second!

We're not being "fanboys". What exactly are you proving? We've already said some of these products yes, were bad, some were underrated and some were great. Look at Sony or even Nintendo, we could do the same thing about those franchises but do most people? No, they don't.

It's pointless and it's not going to do any good. To some people, just because a game didn't sell lots or because a certain accessory was deemed to be phenomenal, doesn't mean it wasn't good in any way. People have agreed and disagreed with you and you are continuing to attempt to shoot their opinions and thoughts down, which just means your irritating people even more.

[Mikewarrior]

It's pointless and it's not going to do any good. To some people, just because a game didn't sell lots or because a certain accessory was deemed to be phenomenal, doesn't mean it wasn't good in any way.

Maybe I should have said... “Stupid f-ing fanboys“... I never said all of them wasn't good in any way (People have different opinions) & I like most of what I posted in the OP (Hell I still own most of them) - Yet they failed in either SALES or Critical Acclaim... Will you guys ever get it?

Your opinion about what is good & what is bad is based off opinions = NOT FACT!

My OP is showing Xbox things that either didn't sell well, or didn't get high scores from the critics = FACT!

[CrazyCougar]

Hmmmmmm...

Critics & Reviews = Opinions...not fact

Hard Sales Numbers = Fact , but who are you to judge on what the bottom line is for failure.

[WillyV2]

Maybe I should have said... “Stupid f-ing fanboys“... I never said all of them wasn't good in any way (People have different opinions) & I like most of what I posted in the OP (Hell I still own most of them) - Yet they failed in either SALES or Critical Acclaim... Will you guys ever get it?

Your opinion about what is good & what is bad is based off opinions = NOT FACT!

My OP is showing Xbox things that either didn't sell well, or didn't get high scores from the critics = FACT!

"Stupid f-ing fanboys" heh. Right.

Obviously some of these didn't sell well, we've already established that fact, everybody has said so. What is this thread proving or contributing to anything? Answer that without saying "to let Microsoft know products have failed in sales" or "critical acclaim".

[Shawn-XBA]

Enjoy your vacation Mikewarrior!