The Xbox isn't backwards compatible, and it sold great. Not like it can be backwards compatible. But, it still isn't and doesn't need that feature to sell well. As it has already proved. See my point?Originally Posted by xbocks
The Xbox isn't backwards compatible, and it sold great. Not like it can be backwards compatible. But, it still isn't and doesn't need that feature to sell well. As it has already proved. See my point?
So how is that evidence that the Xenon will sell just as well as PS3? Its the first generation of MS consoles, plus PS2 has sold much better than Xbox, and has a much better profit. Not making the Xbox BC will just hurt its sales even more.
Agreed. Further, I really find the language of "old" games amusing. When the next Xbox system launches, there will still be original Xbox games on the best seller list that some of you guys refer to as "old". My local Toys R Us still carries PS1 games. Do you think Sony thinks of those game sales figures as "old". Hardly.
I have a very difficult time believing that by late next year I would have already grown tired of Doom3, Half Life2, Fable, Halo2, etc...
I still enjoy Halo 1, I don't consider it "old".
Moreover, I don't fully understand the argument against the included backwards compatibility. There is no reason to believe that next generation hardware will have to be neglected so that the ability to play original Xbox games can be implemented. I have seen people debate emulation over the net for a while and most of it I simply dismiss. These people are not system engineers and really are just repeating things they have read posted by other "I type smarter than I am" people on the net. Microsoft acquired VirtualPC, and I still believe emulation is a very possible option.
As I have reflected upon this topic a little further I have really come to believe that if the next system launches without BC, it will crash and burn. Die hard fans will purchase the system initially which will reflect a decent launch. Then it will quickly tamper off. And Sony will enjoy the benefits of those weak sales figures. Sony is a giant in this business right now, the only way to beat them is to observe how they have been so successful, copy what they have done right, then improve upon where they have failed. BC is one thing that Sony did very right. It made the PS2 fly off the showroom. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF PEOPLE ACTUALLY PLAY THEIR OLD GAMES. It matters that the feature help them to make the initial purchase decision. BC must be there.
The only reason why I want BC is because of the stellar games that I have now. Never before have my console games kicked so much butt and come with so many pluses. You know, 5.1 surround sound and High Def support.
I still don't mind playing 007 on the N64, barely. I just don't play it myself because I don't have the console. If I did though, I'd probably still do it! Especially if I could just plug that Gem of a game into my current Xbox! That'd be sweet!
M$ released a tid bit of information about a Microsoft Next PC that's window's based and is used to run PC and Xbox & Xbox next games on it. Where did that article go?
Anyhow, that looked interesting. In it they were talking about BC, HArd Drive, Web Surfing Functions, Camera functions. (I think it's in the Xbox 2 discussion)
ANyhow, it looks like they're moving closer to the thing in your living room, hooked to your HDTV that acts as your DVD Player, your cable box, your internet, your game console, your movie recorder, and your visual telephone.
If it can do all that, I'll be happy, but I'd still be sad if the next box can't play Halo one & two.
Compared to the ps2, xbox DID NOT sell great. And if xenon wont be able to play xbox games, then it will sell even worse and lose a lot of customers...I sure know that I didnt spend 200 bucks on this xbox and another 1000+ on games just to never play them again in another year.
Why the hell wouldn't you play them again? Are you getting rid of your Xbox?
I shouldn't have to repeat myself like this...
I dont really care if it is BC, the only good part about it is you can sell your old x-box to buy a new one.
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Its simple pelasures in life...pleasures like being able to just pop in your old xbxo games into your new xenon system without having to unplug and plug two systems in...
lazy people < poop
Im not lazy...Im just motivationally challenged.lazy people < poop
I'm probably never going to get rid of my HALO SE XBOX. But I'd still like to have be able to buy just one Xenon. Run LAN's and save my old Hardware, especially all those game saves!
are there really that many of you who sell their old systems when the new one comes out? if so, why? dont you ever have the desire to go back and play them? sure, backwards compatibility is cool..but how many of you actually play PSX games in your PS2? and for those of you who do...how often?
sure, it would be cool for xbox 2 to play xbox games..but even if it does, i wont be getting rid of my xboxes. almost everyone i know keeps several consoles connected at once so they can play them. so unhooking one and connecting another isnt really an issue. i dont keep all of them hooked up..but usually the 5 most recent ones. a few weeks ago, i had NES, snes, saturn, turbografx 16, and sega genesis/32x/sega CD, jaguar, and atari 2600 hooked up..as well as my newer consoles. but that was a bit much.
my point is that i dont see backwards compatibility, or lack there of, seriously affecting the sale of xbox 2. so if xbox 2 comes out, has some great games..im going to buy it...regardless if i can play Halo on it...that's what my xboxes are for. in fact, i don really like the fact that ps2 is backwards compatible..because now my playstation that i bought just sits there collecting dust..becuase it is essentially worthless. if i want to play an old saturn game, super nintendo game..i get out the system, hook it up and have some fun...but if i want to play a playstation game..i just put it in my ps2...and it just isnt as fun. you lose that whole nostalgia feeling. instead of the fun and excitement of firing up an older system and recalling the fun you had with it...you just get that "why am i playing this old game, when i have newer, better ones to play" feeling.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: backwards compatability is crucial espescially since Halo 3 (if there will be one) won't be ready to be launch title for the Xbox's successor.
Halo 3 will sell units by itself, if there is one. Not to mention that it will be on Xbox 2, not Xbox. Why would Bungie hold themselves back? And I'm sure Microsoft would like a title like Halo 3 on the Xenon, so that speaks for itself.
See...its not a matter of will I play my old games with the mob, its can I play my old games.
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Here is my point, there isn't going to be the huge tech gap between the systems in the next generation releases that there is today. The PS2 is a toy hardware wise compared to the Xbox. The MS Xbox 2 will not have that advantage once the next generation systems start to compete. What will separate them? Content. The PS3 will be able to play PS1 and PS2 games. Therefore at launch, the PS3 will have a huge game library dwarfing that of the Xbox 2 system. Now, if the Xbox doesn't ship with backwards compatibility, they would have crippled themselves even further. Instead of having several titles at launch, the system will only have a few. It will not work.
Man I am sure glad I don't care about my old games. It's one less thing to worry about. I feel bad for all these people worrying "Oh no I won't be able to play my 3+ year old game".
I have aboslutely no desire to play even some of the early xbox games. They are 2 years old, some of which have sequels. No reason to play them what so ever.
Well from that I think you know my answer.... SCREW LEGACY SUPPORT
What people don't see with no backwards compatibility is that MS will change controller layout. People hated that Duke was altered to Controller S. If that happens the Black and White buttons will be either eliminated or actually placed like the PS2 layout. If the controls are changed anymore than they already are then Xbox's new FPS and action titles might not be as easy to use as before. Just think about that for a little.
Just because it doesn't have legacy support doesn't mean they have to change the controller. They might.... but that doesn't mean they will.
Why should we worry about the next system so much. Let's all go back to playing our xbox and enjoy it while we have it. Then when we know EXACTLY what the next systems are going to be and they are goingt o be ready to come out in just a few weeks then we can get all excited about them and forget about our xbox. And play xbox2 or whatever system you perfer out of the next gen consoles.
What I'm saying is, that since Xbox 2 will not have it's most anticipated game (Halo 3) as a launch title, it could really use a big library of games upfront to compensate for that.
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