2 things that will kill the X Box...

[SmileBit]

Is it just me or is this "X Box" becoming another Dreamcast?

1.) The X Box is almost bombing in Japan. Hardware is selling a little less than expected and any titles other than DOA3 isnt beeing touched. This was pretty much expected. Developers will notice. Europe is another thing. Europe has been known to purchase consoles based on price and Gamecube is literally HALF the price of X Box. Only hardcore gamers will pick it up. Looks like America is the only place X Box will "survive" and with 1 market how long will it last?

2.) Every new game announcment has been announced for the hardcore gamer. Shenmu 2, Project Ego, Jet Set Future ect... We all know while these game may rock they lack the popularity of say Mario, Zelda, Gran turism and Final Fantasy. They simply will not sell as well. Developers will notice.

Now this is all speculation but unless this Mays E3 is great for X Box dont expect it to last much longer than the DC.

[Romo28]

Dude... Where are you getting your info?

Xbox did very well in the Japan release. In fact SONY evel feels threatened. And what do you mean by hardcore gamer Dont hardcore gamers play mario and link? And nont non-harcore gamers play like every xbox game?

If you know something I dont, post a url.

[SmileBit]

X Box has nearly bombed in Japan. Wait for tomarrow and youll see.

The difference between Mario and alot of X Box games is that EVERYONE plays Mario. I dont think that can be said for games like Marrowind and Unreal Championship ect.

[Frostberg]

Originally posted by SmileBit
Is it just me or is this "X Box" becoming another Dreamcast?

1.) The X Box is almost bombing in Japan. Hardware is selling a little less than expected and any titles other than DOA3 isnt beeing touched. This was pretty much expected. Developers will notice. Europe is another thing. Europe has been known to purchase consoles based on price and Gamecube is literally HALF the price of X Box. Only hardcore gamers will pick it up. Looks like America is the only place X Box will "survive" and with 1 market how long will it last?

2.) Every new game announcment has been announced for the hardcore gamer. Shenmu 2, Project Ego, Jet Set Future ect... We all know while these game may rock they lack the popularity of say Mario, Zelda, Gran turism and Final Fantasy. They simply will not sell as well. Developers will notice.

Now this is all speculation but unless this Mays E3 is great for X Box dont expect it to last much longer than the DC.

1. Umm I think you might be thinking about the GC...and besides, even if it NEVER got released in amywhere but america it can survive...plenty of things are only sold in certain parts of the world and hte companies do fine...

2. Your a dumbass, what? Final Fantasy is a pretty hardcore game to me! It takes a helluva long time to finish...and most people willing to invest $300 for an xbox are hardcore gamers...if not, the only thing a caqsual gamer does is not play as much, but that doesnt mean they wont buy PE...even the casual gamer loves Halo....

[Frostberg]

Originally posted by SmileBit
X Box has nearly bombed in Japan. Wait for tomarrow and youll see.

The difference between Mario and alot of X Box games is that EVERYONE plays Mario. I dont think that can be said for games like Marrowind and Unreal Championship ect.

Oh the gamecube did so well! I saw a pretty large amount of people lined up at the launch party there...you are obviously a Nintendo fanboy because you know nothing about the xbox. First off, you cant even spell the games that are coming out...I guess you didnt know that the first 2 games in the Elder Scroll series were all on the PC, as well as Mirrorwind will be...but the developers are smart enough to make it for the Xbox as well...and Unreal Championship is just another game in the Unreal series, which was EXTREMELY popular

Yeah everyone plays mario, if it was 1990...now were playing Halo!

[SmileBit]

Its true Gamecube did less than steller at launch but look at it now. Hardware is selling well but software is selling mad. Overall GC is doing pretty decent in Japan. Just wait for this summer when Nintendo releases its god like franchises. One thing that X Box does not have is a killer Japanese aplication that will make Japanese gamers go out and buy an X Box.

Oh and no console has ever survived in one market alone. 2 markets is a necessity.

Unreal is popular for PC gamers. Console gamers havent really heard about it though.

[Whisper]

yeah... uh-huh, game cube is doing well, thats why its on all my kraft dinner boxes

isnt that where everything goes, RIGHT BEFORE IT DIES

[JADE8704]

how come every time there is a "xbox will probably fail" or "will xbox end up like the dreamcast" thread, the person that started it only has 10-15 posts?? hmm...something fishy is going on here .....

[DIGITAL]

you are smoking crack,xbox is going to blow up very soon ,once more devoplers in japan see its power an make games to its power

[SmileBit]

2 things:

To look at a consoles success I dont look at Kraft Mac and Chees Boxes I look at total worldwide sales. Gamecube is dooing very well.

Developers only see 2 things: Ease of development and Console sales. Gamecubes looking bright.

[Frostberg]

Originally posted by SmileBit
Its true Gamecube did less than steller at launch but look at it now. Hardware is selling well but software is selling mad. Overall GC is doing pretty decent in Japan. Just wait for this summer when Nintendo releases its god like franchises. One thing that X Box does not have is a killer Japanese aplication that will make Japanese gamers go out and buy an X Box.

Oh and no console has ever survived in one market alone. 2 markets is a necessity.

Unreal is popular for PC gamers. Console gamers havent really heard about it though.

Ok and the killer GC launch title was???? Once they play Halo they will be sold...you say wait for the summer...so if Nintendo has til the summer, shouldnt the Xbox have til then too, fanboy?

Oooo no console has ever survived....that means a lot...2 markets, like it is a big difference from people....Japan just intruduces more sales...it will still sell fine there, thats all that matters...

Hmm I think that the majority of console gamers are PC gamers...or at least know of PC games...I guess Unreal Torrnament wasnt on the DC...of wait it was!!

[Frostberg]

Originally posted by SmileBit
2 things:

To look at a consoles success I dont look at Kraft Mac and Chees Boxes I look at total worldwide sales. Gamecube is dooing very well.

Developers only see 2 things: Ease of development and Console sales. Gamecubes looking bright.

yeah thats about how a little fanboy would say it...

I guess you cant look at "total worldwide success" when the Xbox isint out to half of the world yet!

Ok there are like 350 games in DEVELOPMENT for the Xbox...ok they have made their commitments a long time ago because they knew with the best hardware out there it cant go wrong. Xbox is pretty easy to develop to, not any harder than any other console...console sales...a little too early now, and it takes a long time to develop a game, so they arent going to wait 2 years to see which one will win, they are interested in money, and if they can get their games on the more consoles, the better...but smart ones know that only the xbox can show the best game...

[Frostberg]

Originally posted by JADE8704
how come every time there is a "xbox will probably fail" or "will xbox end up like the dreamcast" thread, the person that started it only has 10-15 posts?? hmm...something fishy is going on here .....

Thats because silly fanboys wander in here to dis our system and then they eventually how no one cares and they leave. We all know that he has bogus info with no factual information and gives excuses (wait til the summer)....its like he thinks it will make us buy a GC or make us feel bad or something....too bad I cant think of one killer GC game out fight now, but I can think of a few XBox games...as well as the future is more bright for the XBox than the GC

[Azazel]

Why do you guys bother arguing with these kids?

All they want is for everyone to jump in and defend the xbox to start a big argument!

I feel very comfortable with my xbox purchase and have no need to defend it against kids that dont even have correct facts in their posts.

[thunderkiss2k1]

The link you requested , nintendo boy, uh, I mean Smilebit is: www.totalgames.net

Look in the news section.

[Frostberg]

Originally posted by ty818
Why do you guys bother arguing with these kids?

All they want is for everyone to jump in and defend the xbox to start a big argument!

I feel very comfortable with my xbox purchase and have no need to defend it against kids that dont even have correct facts in their posts.

Well its fun to see the crazy Nintendo kid with no knowlege about the Xbox trying to come up with good comebacks...Its like they organize Xbox forum attacks...I dont think any of us here would go over to a GC forum and be like
"XBOX 0wNzz J00 GC SuX, DA GamECrAP hAd a tErRiBlE AnArtiCa lAunCH!"

[Shadow Fox]

Originally posted by Frostberg


Oh the gamecube did so well! I saw a pretty large amount of people lined up at the launch party there...

Actually, Xbox had roughly the same launch line size as GCN did back in September, with just Luigi's Mansion, Super Monkey Ball, and Wave Race as the ONLY titles....hmm...

For some reason, JSRF wasn't accepted well in the homeland (though I think it's a killer game), as it went almost untouched the first two days in Japan this weekend...

Check up in IGN.com or Gamespot- they'll tell you the (not so good) news...

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict

[doctorrevill]

First off, Microsoft's introduction of the Xbox into the market is simply a way to keep Sony from owning the market, and from getting a hold of high end entertainment products. This is a starting point that Microsoft plans to use to dominate home related products, like coffee makers, intelligent washing machines, microwaves, and dishwashers. (things that literally EVERYONE has in their homes.) (See WinCE popping up everywhere) It all starts with "branding". They have to get a product on the market that people will associate with quality. They also feel that with a superior product they can make a heck of a lot of money along the way. Sony already has worldwide distribution channels, into many markets where, despite Microsoft's size, they are an almost complete unknown. Again the Xbox is the first product in a line that should be found all over the place in the near future. Making crappy Operating Systems can't keep you rich forever, since OS's will eventually go by the wasteside someday. Then where will Microsoft's market be?

Furthermore Microsoft is going to have to become a major content provider. Sony already has this with its ownership of Tri-Star and Columbia Pictures and many many other sources of content. Meanwhile Microsoft has been buying into Cable providers all over the world. Not the whole thing mind you, just a controlling interest. This is brilliant stategy. While Sony tries to make money owning the store and selling warez, Microsoft rents and sells warez. Big difference there. Microsoft can sell its stuff to many more people because they are not tied to a brand. (ie. you find Microsoft stuff in Compaq's, HP's, Sony's etc.) Its the old free razor, sell the razor blades strategy. They don't make the computers, they sell the stuff that makes them work.

Now with the Xbox they have reversed their strategy to a certain degree. They still have someone else own the store and the manufacturing, but they sell their identity with the product, just like Sony does. But they try to shaft someone else if the production is too expensive buy contracting 3rd party manufacturers to build the Xbox's and setting a price that is paid for each box made. This caps runaway expenses. Sony doesn't have this advantage. They make the PS2 in Sony factories. Look at how this eventually killed SEGA. This system is another good strategy.

Now as for who is going to win this console war? Well I bet in Microsoft, not to come out on top, but to produce the best piece of software in each genre. I feel this is already true. All games that are available on the PS2 and the Xbox invariably look better and play better on the Xbox. So Microsoft is already winning. For my sake I would rather have the very best racing game than 10 games that aren't nearly as good, and isn't that what we've already seen with the PS2? What about the 'Cube? Well it certainly has the price point beat, and it will sell really well because of it, but without some ADULT games to play its not gonna be as popular with that vital 17-25 group. College kids buy more games than 10 year olds. That's a fact. And that 17+ group is right where Xbox and PS2 try to sell their games to.

I believe software makers are going to make a big shift this year. Now that software companies know they can sell a hell of a lot of software on the Xbox, something they haven't really known until now, developers are developing first for Xbox, then porting to PS2 and maybe Cube. Eventually this will create an environment where Xbox gets games first, with better graphics and features. From a developers point of view its hard to ignore the installed PS2 base, but its just as dumb to not make a game that takes full advantage of the Xbox's clearly superior hardware, and then just dumb the game down so it can work on the PS2. Nuff Said.

[Shadow Fox]

Originally posted by doctorrevill
I believe software makers are going to make a big shift this year. Now that software companies know they can sell a hell of a lot of software on the Xbox, something they haven't really known until now, developers are developing first for Xbox, then porting to PS2 and maybe Cube. Eventually this will create an environment where Xbox gets games first, with better graphics and features. From a developers point of view its hard to ignore the installed PS2 base, but its just as dumb to not make a game that takes full advantage of the Xbox's clearly superior hardware, and then just dumb the game down so it can work on the PS2. Nuff Said.

And this, ladies and gents, was also said when the Saturn, 3D0, Jaguar, and DC launched...

Point is, it's dumb not to make a game that takes full advantage of a console, yet developers have been doing it since launch day and will continue to do it thru 2003. Why? Because until Xbox sells some 23 million units more to catch up with PS2, it won't be the "preferred" console amongst developers. User base+software for user base=sales. PS2 has enough user base now to not worry about Xbox for another year or so as far as retail competition is concerned. But both Xbox AND GameCube- now THAT is fierce competition, and PS2 is still holding up, which really boggles me...

-Official Ninja of XboxAddict

[doctorrevill]

You are right, the same sorts of things were said about the Saturn et al. However we have already heard developers SAYING that they were developing for the Xbox first. See EA and its entire Sports lineup, as well as Sega. So only a few months into the XBOX life cycle the shift has occured. You made a good point though.