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Originally posted by Koopa
lol great overexaggerated, flaming fanboy post!
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Yea, it reminds me alot of someone who used to post here.... HMMmmmm maybe he is still around. Have you seen him Koopa?
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Originally posted by Koopa
lol great overexaggerated, flaming fanboy post!
;)
Yea, it reminds me alot of someone who used to post here.... HMMmmmm maybe he is still around. Have you seen him Koopa?
:D
:cheers:
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Originally posted by dances with broom sticks
Yea, it reminds me alot of someone who used to post here.... HMMmmmm maybe he is still around. Have you seen him Koopa?
:D
:cheers:
[whisper] Are you talking about Koopa's GC fanboy days? [/whisper]
Or about his new Half Life 2 fanboy days?Quote:
Originally posted by SPARTAN VI
Haha
[whisper] Are you talking about Koopa's GC fanboy days? [/whisper]
Nah, he's not a HL2 fanboy, just a little more hyped about it's release than the rest of the big 3. I just know that everyone will have an...... orgasmic.... experience when the big 3 finally land on our laps.Quote:
Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
Or about his new Half Life 2 fanboy days?
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From the way he speaks no other game will be worth his time, only Half Life 2.
Yeah, but I believe it's because he thinks eveyone is under-hyping HL2 and over-hyping Halo 2. There were some comparisons between the two, and that might've set him off. :pQuote:
Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
From the way he speaks no other game will be worth his time, only Half Life 2.
But yeah, he's crazy about the Doom3 Alpha... cause he DOES have it. He's crazy about Halo 2, and crazy about Half-Life 2. Since there is more footage on HL2, he got pretty hyped up. :)
I guess it was more obvious than I figured. I remember how much flaming he used to get, anytime he would walk into a thread it would be to bash xbox and praise gamecube.Quote:
Originally posted by SPARTAN VI
Haha
[whisper] Are you talking about Koopa's GC fanboy days? [/whisper]
Then they both came out, and he realised the err of his ways
I thought i was nothing but courteous in my earlier days. dig up older posts if you want. even fuzion, the mod at the time (thats before most of you noobs got here), offered me a mod position...which he had to later decline once he found out i was younger than my maturity made him think.
then there's no need for you to post here. I don't need to read your high-and-mighty, self righeous posts, about how everyone else is biased and you have no bias at all about games, or read your insults and snide side remarks regarding a bias you think i have. i guess you have some sort of reading disorder, because i've never said anything about no other game being worth my time. in fact, i've REPEATEDLY said i'm looking forward to doom3 and halo 2. if you can't graps the concept of me looking forward to one game over another, and actually stating my opinion, instead of the politically correct "all games are equal" bull****, then i don't think any forum is the right place to go.Quote:
I personally have found this discussion to have become moot since the arguements about Half-Life 2 and Halo 2 came about.
let me make this as CLEAR as possible for anyone else who either has a reading disorder, or won't take the time to fully read my posts.
I want halo2.
I want doom3.
I want half life 2.
I want half life 2 the most.
to explain why i want half life 2 the most, i have to show, in detail, why i think half life 2 will be good, as well as point out flaws in doom3 and halo 2. if you can't stomach me pointing out flaws in xbox or halo, then, again, forums are not a good place for you to be.
being a converted xbox gamer, you can be assured i love the system, so I'm no fanboy. the fact that i own and enjoy a gamecube, pc, and xbox shows that i have little to no bias, except toward PS2. I give the facts as i see them , and i don't appreciate anyone implying that my opinions are "sickening." and spartan, thanks for being the most logical person in this thread.
flame on.
Funzion came back awhile ago, and was posting under a different name. I have a few PM's from him. cyviking said that he is married and doesnt game at all anymore :(
Koopa. You really should read your own posts. It would also be a good idea to read mine. I guess you can call me high and mighty if you want, but I never said that, nor have I implied it. If anyone, you are the person who thinks of themself as high and mighty. Most fanboys do.
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i think he came back for a bit and posted under the name aaron.Quote:
Originally posted by dances with broom sticks
Funzion came back awhile ago, and was posting under a different name. I have a few PM's from him. cyviking said that he is married and doesnt game at all anymore :(
yeah, the last time i talked to him, he said something along those lines...i saw him on aim a few months back with the SN vivalanuge. gaming kinda fell waay low on his priority list, i guess. he was a cool guy for the time i knew him, though. cheers wherever you are!:cheers:
note the "your peoples," implying that you're above this sort of thingQuote:
Despite your poeples flagrant attempts to choose a "better" and not look like fanboys you are all failing miserably.
again, raising yourself above the "sickening level"Quote:
The favoratism that is found in many gamers attitudes is sickening
maybe i'm getting your message wrong, though. the mood i felt from these quotes, however, is one of superiority over "fanboys" like myself.
you've also provided little to no evidence showing how i fail to read your posts
and again, you have to fall back on snide side comments, like implying i'm a fanboy, after i've proven MUTLIPLE times how i've tried to be as unbiased as possible.
Well, Koopa. I don't have to quote and pick apart. Simply go back in the thread and read through the posts, there is no use in repeating things.
Also, ofcourse I am saying I am not a fanboy. If you can find how my comments have been fanboyish, then please, tell me. You haven't proven how you have tried to be un-biased. Infact, several times you say something to hint that you like all three games, but then you turn around and contradict yourself. I will quote some things, even though I said I wouldn't.
For one thing, it is a widely known fact that many PC games have lag. That is how the term lag was introduced into gaming, as PC's were the first gaming machines to venture into the online world. Your comments ignore that and make it seem like Xbox Live has more lag than PC games, which is untrue. The incorporation of narrowband internet automatically increases the number of instances on the PC where lag occurs.Quote:
not true. there is little to no lag on many PC games with 64 players...the only time i get lag is because there's a fluke on MY end...I.E. my brother is downloading lots of porn or something and hogging my bandwidth. XBL has not done a good job of minimizing lag at all. the fact that it even exists in an all broadband network with all top of the line machines with only 16 players means that its not being addressed well at all.
Is this not unjust praise? Something that fanboys often use? You have not actually played with this engine and yet you are already claiming it to be the most advance technology there is. Videos are not proof of anything, as was learned with Enclave.Quote:
It's the most advanced, most scalable, most versatile, and arguablie most graphically stunning engine created...from what we've seen. I'll wait to praise it more once i get my hands on it in september.
Is that not what you are doing with Half Life 2? There are videos of both games. One video is not more proof than another.Quote:
you're implying that gamecube was a failure because i followed it blindly, yet that's what you intend to do with halo2
HalfLife 2 is also limited by the platform it is being developed for. PC games cannot be developed for technology that does not exist. And the "fact" that they were developing it for five years brings this question to light, what kind of system have they been developing for in those five years. You cannot simply change your code when a new technology comes out, that would take months, not only to learn the new technology, but to change the code itself. We aren't talking like one or two lines of code here, we are talking thousands, if not millions. Same can be said for textures and other graphical things. You can't simply press a button to change the old graphics become compatible and work perfectly with the new technology. Granted, they most undoubtedly have changed some things for the new technology, but some things are without a doubt, optimized for a top of the line system that was around at least a year ago. If anything, Halo 2 has an advantage becuase the programmers can focus on the technology that it has, and on optimizing the game for that technology, as it won't change.Quote:
mostly based on the fact that it's limited by the platform its on. It'll have great physics, great AI, great everything, but the fact that half life 2 is on PC and the fact that its been in the works for 5 years kinda gives it an advantage
once again stating false truths. Yes, it is your opinion, but it is not fact. After the game is released and extensive play has be had on all the games, then one could possibly state fact whether one is better than the others.Quote:
so does the fact that the source engine had 5 extra years have any impact on the fact that it's the best?
Yes, i too have had rumors that this is true. I also greatly want it to be true. But until you have played it, that cannot be stated as fact, just another rumour/opinion. Yet it comes out of you as fact, becuase you are the fact master!Quote:
the fact that EVERYTHING behaves as it SHOULD givees the player just that much more options, and immersion.
Oh it is the best out there is it? But, wait a second, IT HASN'T BEEN RELEASED YET! So, how can that be? Oh, that is right, it can't be. It is just another opinion falsely stated as fact.Quote:
also, all the physics "toys" aren't the whole game. i dont think hl2 is just a physics toy, its a great fps with lots of physics "toys" implemented into it. it's not ONLY physics, its a great shooter AND physics. that can only help the game, not hurt it.
Ot would have been nice if you said that the developers are saying they are implementing that into the game, but I am forgetting, you are the fact master! Infact, you know just as much about the engine as anyone else, even if they know nothing about it. Everything you hear, until you play the game, is just rumour and opnion. *wonders how much more he is going to have to say that*Quote:
more proof that you know nothing about half life 2. users can input a wav speech file and the engine will automatically create facial expressions for the speech, regardless of language or accent. alot easier than manually coding expressions, huh?
So how is geomod gimmicky but this source engine is not? Are not both trying to make games more realistic? Do they not both achieve that same thing? If one is gimmicky, then so is the other as they are both trying to achieve the same thing.Quote:
full geomod could be implemented, but a design decision was made not to, because it'd be to gimmicky.
Oooh, fact master is at it again! Claiming opinion to be an undeniable truth.Quote:
okay. you're opinion > every gaming mag ever printed. i guess you're right, hl's story sucked.
But the geomod isn't a good start? In real life does the ground not get a huge hole when you shoot a rocket into it?Quote:
well said. if games are gonna progress toward reality, they've gotta start somwhere. the source engine is a good starting point.
It seems you need to learn what a fact is.Quote:
I give the facts as i see them
Now, Koopa, I hope you see where I am coming from. You do say in spots that you are looking forwards to all the games. Then you turn around and start talking about how Half Life 2 is god and that no other game will be able to touch it for at least five years. In at least one spot you kind of bash the XBox even.
As for slander and snide comments, I made a few, yes, but you made tons before me, thusly, I felt it necessary to throw them back at you to let you know how those poeple felt whom you did it too.
Now I have to ask, do you not find favoratism sickening? If not, then how?
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I won't argue with you anymore over whether or not you are a fanboy or not. The pages in this thread and this post are all I need to prove the point I was trying to get across.
well, given the fact that xbox live games only have 16 players, as opposed to the 32-64 players that most modern pc games have, the lag that exists is unacceptable.Quote:
For one thing, it is a widely known fact that many PC games have lag. That is how the term lag was introduced into gaming, as PC's were the first gaming machines to venture into the online world. Your comments ignore that and make it seem like Xbox Live has more lag than PC games, which is untrue. The incorporation of narrowband internet automatically increases the number of instances on the PC where lag occurs.
my comments mirror those given by virtually all the gaming press, who pretty much said the seeing the engine in action was like seeinga game from e3 5 years from now.Quote:
Is this not unjust praise? Something that fanboys often use? You have not actually played with this engine and yet you are already claiming it to be the most advance technology there is. Videos are not proof of anything, as was learned with Enclave
20 minutes of in-game demonstrations are alot more to go on than a 5 minute trailer and a lot of hype.Quote:
Is that not what you are doing with Half Life 2?[following blindly] There are videos of both games. One video is not more proof than another.
you're now simply talking out of your ass. here's a fact: pcs are generally more powerful than xbox. its not an opinion, and all that stuff about old technology is just you trying to rationalize your opinion, and make me look like an idiot, which you seem to be failing at. if all pc games are being based on "old technology," how come doom3, unreal championship, and eventually, half life 2, will have to be downgraded for xbox? and how come it is the opinion of *most* people that doom3 and half life 2, pc games that use "old technology," look better than halo2?Quote:
HalfLife 2 is also limited by the platform it is being developed for. PC games cannot be developed for technology that does not exist. And the "fact" that they were developing it for five years brings this question to light, what kind of system have they been developing for in those five years. You cannot simply change your code when a new technology comes out, that would take months, not only to learn the new technology, but to change the code itself. We aren't talking like one or two lines of code here, we are talking thousands, if not millions. Same can be said for textures and other graphical things. You can't simply press a button to change the old graphics become compatible and work perfectly with the new technology. Granted, they most undoubtedly have changed some things for the new technology, but some things are without a doubt, optimized for a top of the line system that was around at least a year ago. If anything, Halo 2 has an advantage becuase the programmers can focus on the technology that it has, and on optimizing the game for that technology, as it won't change.
this it taking my quote out of context. this was about the fact that someone said halo2 was better because its been in the works for less time.Quote:
once again stating false truths[regarding the long dev time of source engine]. Yes, it is your opinion, but it is not fact. After the game is released and extensive play has be had on all the games, then one could possibly state fact whether one is better than the others.
this is not a rumor. this is a fact, according to gabe and the guys at valve. if you want to call them liars, go ahead.Quote:
Yes, i too have had rumors that this is true[regarding the fact that everything in half life 2 behaves realistically]. I also greatly want it to be true. But until you have played it, that cannot be stated as fact, just another rumour/opinion. Yet it comes out of you as fact, becuase you are the fact master!
i thought it was implied that when i say its the best, i mean IMO. but i guess from now i can help you out by adding IMO after every sentence i type. i'll make things even CLEARER for you, YET AGAINQuote:
Oh it is the best out there is it? But, wait a second, IT HASN'T BEEN RELEASED YET! So, how can that be? Oh, that is right, it can't be. It is just another opinion falsely stated as fact.
Halo2=great
Half Life 2=great
Doom3=great
based on what we've seen so far, i can safely assume that half life 2 will be better than halo2, IN MY OPINION
can you comprehend that? that's my past 500 half life posts in a nutshell.
you're calling valve liars again. your logic is inane and just plain stupid. when a developer says a feature is going to be in a game, and multiple gaming publications confirm it, its safe to assume it'll be in the game. otherwise it'd be impossible to even try to speculate about anything, and the whole point of forums would be moot. you're saying that every preview of every game ever written is all just a bunch of lies, that are proven right or wrong when the game is released. you're just twisting words to make me look like a fanboy. trust me, i've been here longer than you, i own multiple ystems, it is virtually impossible for me to be a fanboy. the mere fact that i said i want halo 2 and doom3 makes it impossible, because a fanboy would say they're TEH SUCK. a fanboy would say that features developers say will be in a game are lies. i havent done any of these. i've made logical assumptions and posted my opinion about them. what have you done, besides accuse me of being biased, and valve of being a bunch of liars?Quote:
[regarding lip synching tecnology] Ot would have been nice if you said that the developers are saying they are implementing that into the game, but I am forgetting, you are the fact master! Infact, you know just as much about the engine as anyone else, even if they know nothing about it. Everything you hear, until you play the game, is just rumour and opnion. *wonders how much more he is going to have to say that*
geomod had no impact on the game at all. source's physics will MOST LIKELY be a central part of the game...that is, unless valve has been lying to us about all this physics stuff the whole time. i forgot, everythign they've said is a lie, and we can't trust them. please forgive me.Quote:
So how is geomod gimmicky but this source engine is not? Are not both trying to make games more realistic? Do they not both achieve that same thing? If one is gimmicky, then so is the other as they are both trying to achieve the same thing.
how am i doing that? i'm comparing one guys opinions to those of the rest of the world. your snide sarcastic comments arent helping, by the way.Quote:
[quoting me"okay. you're opinion > every gaming mag ever printed. i guess you're right, hl's story sucked.]
Oooh, fact master is at it again! Claiming opinion to be an undeniable truth
your whole arguement is flawed. you're saying i'm not allowed to think half life is better than any other game coming out. and you're saying that because i feel this way, im a fanboy. then everyone here is a fanboy for prefering xbox and thinking it is better. i will repeat, AGAIN, what ive been saying all along. i think half life 2 will be the best shooter available. to do this, i need to use logic and the information given to us by valve, assuming they're not lying, in order to form an opinion. my opinion's aren't too crazy, because many gaming publications agree with me.Quote:
Now, Koopa, I hope you see where I am coming from. You do say in spots that you are looking forwards to all the games. Then you turn around and start talking about how Half Life 2 is god and that no other game will be able to touch it for at least five years. In at least one spot you kind of bash the XBox even.
As for slander and snide comments, I made a few, yes, but you made tons before me, thusly, I felt it necessary to throw them back at you to let you know how those poeple felt whom you did it too.
Now I have to ask, do you not find favoratism sickening? If not, then how?
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I won't argue with you anymore over whether or not you are a fanboy or not. The pages in this thread and this post are all I need to prove the point I was trying to get across.
i could just say that i think all games are equal and i cant wait for them all the same, but thats just politically correct crap. i think half life 2 will be the best. if trying to prove this makes me a fanboy, so be it.i've been here long enough, and enough people know me well enough on the boards to realize that i'm not a raving fanboy. i don't need your validation on the subject to feel this way about myself, so how about we keep the comments related to teh games, not about how i'm biased, how i'm a fanboy, or how i'm an ignoramus for believing the informaion given to me by valve, which you assume is all rumors.
and anyway, i really doubt anyone other than you and i are reading these long drawn out arguments.
Wow, everything I said has been proven again. Selective reading, false truths, accusations and slanderous remarks a plenty yep, they are all present.
These are by far the longest posts I have ever seen all together.
Is anyone other than those involved reading them? I try, but my attention span is MUCH to low.
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lol, i knew someone would say that, which is why i addressed it in my last essay..er..post.:D i've got a solution, read on. i'll try to be brief.Quote:
Is anyone other than those involved reading them? I try, but my attention span is MUCH to low.
i could say the same, but it wont get us anywhere.Quote:
Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
Wow, everything I said has been proven again. Selective reading, false truths, accusations and slanderous remarks a plenty yep, they are all present.
how about we kiss, make up, and start over? I'll work on adding IMOs and lighten up on the criticism if you'll stop the accusations and be a little more open minded.
okay.
so, in a nutshell, this is my opinion, based on what we know.
Half Life:
Pros
- most realistic physics I've ever seen, IMO, and they add to gameplay, unlike geomod in red faction, etc. they're also relatively easy to make mods with
-sequel to "best game of all time" according to every pc gaming mag ever. they've devoted their every resource for the past five years on topping themselves, and i think they'll do it.
-amazing AI, which is something i'd love to see more of in future halo2 demos. the jackals advancing in a v formation was cool, and seeing the AI drive the hogs was nice, but i'd like to see more combat AI, like the AI for friendly soldiers in the barricade street fight half life movie. half life had the best AI of its time, and better ai than some games that are out right now. i feel half life 2's AI will be some of the best of the next five years. i'm sure halo 2's will be up there as well, but i haven't seen it on film yet. if bungie pulls of what they say they'll pull off (i.e. AI reacting with EVERYTINg aroudn them, such as toppled chairs, tables, etc.), im sure it'll be out of this world.
-PC. lets face it. a radeon 9800 machine witha p4 3.0ghz and a gig of ram is more powerful than an xbox. gave newell said a radeon 97 with 512 ram and a p4 2.0 will run half life 2 with all effects on at 40fps, which is what i'm expecting to get. sure, the fact that halo2 is exclusive for xbox means it'll have greater graphics than other consoles, but vs the pc, it gets edged out just a bit by the fact that technology has advanced since november 2001. not only are graphics a benefit, but user-created mods will most likely be more plentiful in a pc game than in an identical xbox game. i realize that ms plans on allowing mods for counter-strike, and hopefully for halo, but given that modders will probably have to filter their mods through MS to get approval, i'm guessing mods will be few and far between. I'd LOVE to be pleasantly surprised though, and get some awesome halo2 mods as DLC's on my hard drive. i just don't think it'll happen as well as it could if halo2 were on pc. i wanna try and keep this post kinda short so i'll just say that modding is easy to do with the source engine, and valve is very modder friendly.
okay, lets try to stay civil.
cheers:cheers:
hey hey hey now, why is there so much hostility? why cant we just sit back and have a mountain dew code red? smoke some 2nd hand cigarettes and talk about how much we all like big brestesesessssss and firm ass cheeks spread eagle.......wouldn't that be better than bickering about who likes what and why they are wrong for liking something?
c'mon guys, can't we all just get along?
If I will stop the accusations and be more open minded? Seriously Koopa, I don't understand how you are coming about with this viewpoint. I explained in my post why I said what I did. You seem to have conveneintly forgot that part though.Quote:
Originally posted by Koopa
i could say the same, but it wont get us anywhere.
how about we kiss, make up, and start over? I'll work on adding IMOs and lighten up on the criticism if you'll stop the accusations and be a little more open minded.
Also, some of the things you posted in your last post showed your limited knowledge of programming and game development. Especially the part about me takling out of my arse.
If you read what I said without trying to contradict it while reading it, I think you will understand the piont I was trying to get across.
i tried to be nice, but you just can't stop fighting, can you?Quote:
Originally posted by MerimacHamwich
If I will stop the accusations and be more open minded? Seriously Koopa, I don't understand how you are coming about with this viewpoint. I explained in my post why I said what I did. You seem to have conveneintly forgot that part though.
Also, some of the things you posted in your last post showed your limited knowledge of programming and game development. Especially the part about me takling out of my arse.
If you read what I said without trying to contradict it while reading it, I think you will understand the piont I was trying to get across.
then i guess this thread is pointless.
its obvious to me that i can't convince you of my viewpoint, its obvious to me that i can't get a nice discussion going because you continue to make this a personal thing, and its obvious to me a discussion about the games is not what you WANT, because i gave an offer to return the discussion to the games, and it was ignored.
this is a waste of my time, your time, and everyone else who is attempting to read through our bickering. mods, if you're reading, i think this would be a good time to close this thread, its gone WAY off topic.
Man, selective reading once again. You can't get around that can you? I never bickered with you in my last post. I said what I observed. In your post before that you were still accusing me of things, so I replied in response to that.
I want to argue? I tried to stop the debate one or two pages ago. You found it more opportune to start a battle with me though.