Women gamers

**Bundy** · 01-28-2002

So has there been any demographics stating how much of the xbox population is women? I was just curious. Myself i do not know of any hardcore or even regular female gamers. My wife and a buddy’s wife will play on occasion, but not nearly as often as my friends and I do.

Do we have any women posters on these boards?

**Ninja Scroll** · 01-28-2002

I would like to know the stats on this topic, it would be interesting to know.
But I do know we have several chick in here.
xboxpebbles, xboxbabe (aint seen her in forever doe

), and I seen a couple others come and go.

**JJaX** · 01-28-2002

most women i know like games were they just get to hold one button down and go. Fun Fun Fun!!

Hydro thunder was a favorite for the ladies......

**LynxFX** · 01-28-2002

Well according to womengamers.com the last survey in 1999 said that women made up 43% of PC gaming and 35% of console gamers. That number was on the rise back then so I would image it is getting close to being even with men gamers.

I don't doubt why you haven't seen many around here. Just look what happened with xboxbabe. Practically every guy on this board jumped down her throat with lame pickup lines and 'you are hot' posts. Does that sound like something you would want to put up with everyday when you just want to share info about the xbox like everyone else here?

BTW, I personally know more female gamers than male gamers but that's just me. And I'm sure if you have played any game online that you have had your ass kicked by a woman gamer and didn't even know it.

**Bundy** · 01-28-2002

wow those figures are a lot higher than i would have guessed. Now if I can only transform my wife into a true gamer...

**Nato King** · 01-28-2002

I have a sister who likes to play the xbox she is about 16. she likes that game called Fuzion Frenzy the DEMO yes the demo not even the real game. She plays this game all the time and I can never get on the xbox to play halo online.

**Bundy** · 01-28-2002

I did hear that game was kinda targeted at women.

**Nato King** · 01-28-2002

I know what you mean all the time. she even has your friend addict to that game.

batman46st · 01-28-2002

my wife who likes online gaming like if anyones herdof sweettooth in pogo.com she loves that and in my xbox shes hooked on munches oddesy the bad thing is when im online shes like i wann play sweeeeet tooooth (nagging voice) when im on the xbox i wannnnnnnna beat munch (nagging voice) so u know im cool with it i want her to play xbox soon she'll even make a account on this site.

**Ninja Scroll** · 01-28-2002

Originally posted by Lynxfx
I don't doubt why you haven't seen many around here. Just look what happened with xboxbabe. Practically every guy on this board jumped down her throat with lame pickup lines and 'you are hot' posts. Does that sound like something you would want to put up with everyday when you just want to share info about the xbox like everyone else here?

But dude, xboxbabe was HOT!

**xboxpebbles** · 01-28-2002

id just like to say that i have been
into video games my whole life!
(even though im only 15)
my and my cousin grew up w/ the
nintendo...
i had a sega, a 64, a few
handhelds...now the ultimate xbox
(by far the best

) and
im just a typical gamer..i
like pretty much all genres,
especially rpgs, strategy, action,
and a lil bit of anything else...
i know a few girl gamers(not
really into it as much as i am

,
but my cousin and best friend both have xboxs

)
just wanted to tell ya ..lol

**Hugh_Jass** · 01-29-2002

Originally posted by Lynxfx
I don't doubt why you haven't seen many around here. Just look what happened with xboxbabe. Practically every guy on this board jumped down her throat with lame pickup lines and 'you are hot' posts. Does that sound like something you would want to put up with everyday when you just want to share info about the xbox like everyone else here?

I agree with you but she DID post a pic of herself on the board. She submitted herself for public opinion. If she didn't expect the reaction she got then she isn't a good judge of human male gamer behavior. I'm not saying the events that transpired were correct but they shouldn't have been surprising.

I'm not entirely convinced that the picture was her anyway.

**Ninja Scroll** · 01-29-2002

Originally posted by Hugh_Jass

I agree with you but she DID post a pic of herself on the board. She submitted herself for public opinion. If she didn't expect the reaction she got then she isn't a good judge of human male gamer behavior. I'm not saying the events that transpired were correct but they shouldn't have been surprising.

I'm not entirely convinced that the picture was her anyway.

well said Hugh

But whether or not that was her in that pic,....dude,...I cant tell you enough how hot that chick was!

**Sada** · 01-29-2002

New woman poster here.

The point is, why is gaming defined by males that view females first and foremost as sex objects? And why should women just put up with that? Just because 15-year-old boys like it that way? Hell no. I don’t think so.

Lots of people post pics of themselves online. Why is it when women do it, men automatically assume she is doing it to get her appearance judged? That’s not why we live our lives, sorry guys. I’ve posted pics of myself online, and it’s not so guys can tell me how hot I am. Lots of BBs foster a sense of community. When that happens people tend to share more of themselves, including pictures. Don’t read so much into it.

But the basic message is: in order for women to participate in gaming and its culture, we need to agree to this and shut up about it? I think that’s crappy.

I almost loathe posting on this board because of that stupid nurse on top of the page. It’s shows everyone loud and clear how women are viewed here. And you wonder why we don’t hang around? It’s not fun to be judged as a sex object. Attention doesn’t equal power or anything.

Sada - *who will seriously pay the Xbox Addict people money to remove the nurse – the icky guy is more fun anyway*

And yes, I do play Xbox. I don’t kick ass (at the current games anyway), but I do play.

**Hugh_Jass** · 01-30-2002

I don't like the nurse, either. It's poorly done and has nothing to do with XBOX.

I never said she posted her pic to get her appearance judged. I said if she posted her pic she should expect to get her appearance judged. Her motivations were irrelevant. Judging someone by their appearance is common human behavior and don't try to tell me it is unique to males.

I welcome women on XBA (and the Internet in general). It's a great place where people are free to be themselves. I'm just saying that if women want to be thought of as gamers they should present themselves that way. XBOXBabe was a willing participant in the attention she got and much of it could have been avoided if she handled it differently.

**Sada** · 01-30-2002

Much of it could also have been avoided if others handled it differently as well. That's my point. When I walk down to the road to get the mail and a guy honks at me, who is more at fault? I'd say the guy.

Judging people by their personal appearance is something all people do. I understand that. But it's a question of where that judgement is placed among all the other judgements people make at the same time. If someone is viewed as a sex object first and foremost - that really bites. And when that judgement takes value over all other judgement, that is wrong.

I agree that she should not have been surprised. I highly doubt she was surprised. But as you said before, that doesn't make it right. *I think we are actually agreeing here*

**JJaX** · 01-30-2002

Originally posted by Sada
When I walk down to the road to get the mail and a guy honks at me, who is more at fault? I'd say the guy.

And im assuming your a woman....

Because if your not then somethings not right here.

Never mind i read the last posts (Uhh Duuuh)
Yea and i dont like that nurse on top either, her face is busted

And that guy honking at you was probaly ninja scroll. Sorry bro didnt mean to blow up your spot

Anyways, I think woman should feel flattered when men think ther sexy. But posting your picture on a videogame forums is kinda asking for the attention. When i see a beautiful woman her looks is what motivates me to wanna get to know her. But hitting on forum girls is kinda low. Sorry if im getting a tad Off topic here.

*JJaX pauses

my point here is.......

I love WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!
I love WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!
I love WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!
I love WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!
I love WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!

And women love me

**Sada** · 01-30-2002

Well, you may feel it's a compliment, but many women don't. Trust me. How many women do you know run after a car that has just honked at them?

And of course it all depends on the situation. Am I offended when my boyfriend finds me sexy? Hell no.

Cause I know he still sees me as a person, not a piece of meat. But when a random stranger goes on and on about, excluding everything else about me? Yeah. That's disrespectful. I mean, just look at how quickly this thread (originally about women gamers) deteriorated into a thread about how "hot xboxbabe is." I mean, you see how it takes over everything? That's not cool.

But anyway, back to the original topic. My cousin is a top graphic artist who works on video games, and she's a woman. I always thought that was cool.

Here are some more general articles on the subject. The 43%/35% stat is still the more accurate thing out there, I think, as it's mentioned in this article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci...00/1708233.stm

Here are some more stats: PC Data's study titled "Spotlight on Games: Categories and Hardware," says that out of 30 to 40 million online gamers in the U.S., women comprise 50.4 percent of that group. A study for the IDSA says that of 145 million people who call themselves hard-core PC or console gamers, 43 percent are women.

From this article: http://www.happypuppy.com/features/e...swit-ed-1.html

This article here is actually console-driven. Microsoft chose not to answer the journalist's initial inquiry, so that kinda leaves out the Xbox: http://www.joystickenvy.com/article1007.html

And some more random links:

http://www.mg.co.za/pc/2001/02/0902_grrlgames.htm

http://www.msoworld.com/mindzine/new...00report3.html

**darianX** · 01-31-2002

I thought this was an xbox forum, not a political discussion or a college campus..

**JJaX** · 01-31-2002

Originally posted by Sada

Here are some more stats: PC Data's study titled "Spotlight on Games: Categories and Hardware," says that out of 30 to 40 million online gamers in the U.S., women comprise 50.4 percent of that group.

Ignorance is beautiful isnt it???
Ive been playing online games since the 14.4 days and i can honestly say that about 4% of the people i play are women.
I played UT hardcore and ran into about 4 women on servers i visited often. Of the about say 100 people i met and got to know on the servers 4 of them were woman, Lets see thats about 4% eh?

Dont you think that these polls and surveys these people conduct are very false. Do you think a woman who plays chess on Yahoo considers her self a online gamer? I do! You see, Ignorance and lack of knowledge can lead to false statistics.You think a woman who plays soul calibur with her boy friend every now and then thinks shes a gamer?? I DO! The true question is, What is a gamer? I think that they surveys conducted had a loose judment call on what a real gamer actually is. And thats why we have such extreme numbers. I would think about 15% of the true gamer population is female. But thats just a shot in the dark