making Back ups copies

[BIG_BUTTER]

Hey its all good guys . this topic rocks though.
i appreciate everyone taking the time to reply.

XBOX ROX guys and girlz.


keep fit and have fun!

[LynxFX]

Batman,

You are right. The copyright laws are vague to say the least. That is one problem right now with the MPAA and RIAA and their copy protection schemes. The law says it is legal for the consumer to backup a media product that they have purchased. But it is illegal to crack the code that would allow the person to actually do this? It just doesn't make sense. I have no respect for the RIAA and I'm losing respect fast for the MPAA. I will never buy another CD because of the RIAA's practices. But that is a whole other rant.

The problem is that you can't allow a backup scheme without allowing pirates to exploit it at the same time. At least not with current technology that is affordable to both parties. There will always be piracy no matter how tight of a protection scheme they create. You can't defeat that and companies are naive if they think they can. The problem I have with it is when these companies make the consumer pay for it either by creating products that are no longer within proper specs, ie some dvd's that won't play properly in some players because they put in a new copy protection scheme or music cd's that won't let you rip the songs to your mp3 player or to make your own mix cd. That is flat out unnacceptable.

How about the new protection scheme being made for HDTV. If it passes it means that anyone that has bought an HDTV prior to late 2002 won't be able to watch HDTV when HDTV becomes standard. Nice isn't it? You purchase a product that is supposed to be able to play a standard that was created YEARS ago and they quietly change the standards and make your expensive gear obsolete and nonfunctioning. All of this is to prevent so called pirates who will just crack it anyway.

Ok I've ranted enough, I'll stop.

Piracy is bad, but I don't want to pay the price for someone elses bad morals.

[Batman2372]

Lynxfx,

See, I agree with you COMPLETELY. It does stink. However, regardless of how we feel, it would be ILLEGAL under the DMCA to backup our Xbox games.

I've been an anti-DMCA advocate from the start (DeCSS supporter here), but unfortunately, the law is still the law. And that includes the crappy DMCA.

[LynxFX]

You are right Batman, I completely forgot about what the DMCA states now. Of course they say it is only illegal to backup media if you have to circumvent a copy protection scheme. I think I read that right?

Still, if the technology arises for me to make backups of my purchased games, then I will use it. I will never buy a game or software product twice.

[chili325]

Like 5 days after i bought Max Payne it was stolen (Sisters had a party) I liked the game but i dont feel like deelin no 50 bucks for a game I was halfway through. If we could have backups,there would be no problem.

[Toder]

Okay I know i was a little harshe with my first post here, but what i really want to get across to all of you is that the fact if they are able to crack xbox and make playable disc then i think it will be the downfall of the xbox.

[Azazel]

I completely agree toder.

Big Butter I think you are a fool!
Do you have a backup of your entire cd collection? Probably not. Even though they could be damaged you dont keep backup copies. (you will probably make one for your buddy though).

If backups get out I think it will ruin the xbox.
I think those of you that cant wait for games to be cracked are either out to steal games or are just nieve.

Gotta go. Im buying my girlfriend a diamond ring. The store is going to give me an extra diamond at no cost.
(Just in case the original gets scratched) Wasnt that nice of them!

[LynxFX]

Toder,

I don't think that being able to copy games on the Xbox will be the downfall of it. Heck the PSX is the most pirated gaming system ever, and the easiest and it is still going strong.

Even if they do crack the code to allow you to backup a game it isn't going to be cheap at first. DVD-R media is still expensive and the recorders as well. I don't want to have to rip out audio, and cinematics either to make it fit on a CDR.

Until then I'll take good care of my current games like I do the rest of my stuff.

[Toder]

Originally posted by Lynxfx
Toder,

I don't think that being able to copy games on the Xbox will be the downfall of it. Heck the PSX is the most pirated gaming system ever, and the easiest and it is still going strong.

Even if they do crack the code to allow you to backup a game it isn't going to be cheap at first. DVD-R media is still expensive and the recorders as well. I don't want to have to rip out audio, and cinematics either to make it fit on a CDR.

Until then I'll take good care of my current games like I do the rest of my stuff.

Good point, but most people who owned the PSX don't know how to sauder a mod chip. On the other hand look at the Dreamcast no such alterations were required to play hacked games on it and most people can download a games and burn them to a cd. And look where the Dreamcast is now.

[Afro Aura]

Originally posted by Lynxfx
Toder,

I don't think that being able to copy games on the Xbox will be the downfall of it. Heck the PSX is the most pirated gaming system ever, and the easiest and it is still going strong.

You say that it won't bring the XBOX down are you sure that

You said that PSX is the most ripped machine ever the reason for this is that there are about 50millions units out there and people buy the PSX for the ripped games, you could buy a brand new machine for about £40, Sony doesn't give a d@mn about the progammers as long as they can sell another PSX thats money in their pockets

The same situation with the PS2 people buy the silly thing for ripped games there are loads of games out there for PS2 including the PSX games you can play on there and there are over 25 million units out there, again does Sony care NO as long as they can sell the PS2 their happy

It's with the games that a machine survives on not the hardware if the piracy where to pop it's head in most companies may stop making games for the XBOX as it doesn't have the same following as the PSX/PS2 or the units to make games for, they may just continue to make games for the PSX/PS2 as some people do buy games for those machines

it's also the cost of the XBOX which will put people off, if you can buy a PS2 for £150 and the XBOX at £300 and you know you are going to get loads of games for the PS2 which one would most people choose, I here taking about someone who hasn't played a console in there life or wants an upgrade from the Genesis or the SNES and has the choice. I know that XBOX is for people who are new to the console area but with the cost of a PS2 at £150 with loads of ripped games and the XBOX at £300 with around 50 games I feel the XBOX will lose

Who knows if the XBOX is a success then maybe it will happen, but untill then this machine is still the underdog and need time to shine out to those who are looking for a new way in life...with the XBOX

[BIG_BUTTER]

hey ty818

a fool is one to judge and assume that a person you dont even know would do something that is wrong.

My original msg was backing up my 90.00 games for ME ME ME ME ME ME ME not for a friend, and not a 15.00 music cd.

we are not looking for ripped cds hey, thats stealing. But you would only assume that of me, someone you dont know because you are probably guilty of ripped software and games.

i dont want ripped software, i dont want back ups for my friends . when i get an xbox i would like backups of my expensive games to put away just in case.

thats it , thats all. nothing more. not everyone that wants to backup their stuff are thievs.

Who is more fool. the fool or the fool who follows it?

hey keep fit and have fun!!!!
hahahahahaha

[Batman2372]

Okay, BIG_BUTTER, the cut and dry answer to your question:

As of this moment, it is ILLEGAL for you to break the copy protection and make a backup of your Xbox games.

Period.

[BIG_BUTTER]

totally understand that batman.

but its great discussion though.

[Snoopy7548]

Originally posted by Batman2372
As of this moment, it is ILLEGAL for you to break the copy protection and make a backup of your Xbox games.

when would it be legal to break the protection and copy the games? of course its illegal, and it will always be illegal.

[Crazy Joe]

Originally posted by BIG_BUTTER
Here in OH CANADA games are so expensive. are we able to make back up copies or do we go pay another $90.00 for the same game .

Games are almost exactly the same price in Canada as in the US(once you do a currency conversion) $50 US = about $79 CDN. I have seen any games that cost 90.00 in Canada, most are $70 - $80 and some are even in the 60s, so some games are CHEAPER in Canada.

[BIG_BUTTER]

come to the maritimes good friend. nba 2k2 here is 89.99.
not in the states . its 49.99.

of course when you change the currency it will cost the same. because it is CANADIAN money.

if our money was as equal as the states the system would be
299.99 as well.

the xbox is 449.99 here.

60.00 dollars is a medium difference from 40.00.

plus our taxes are outrages. here in saint john n.b.
our taxes are 15%. buuuugh h.s.t.
compared to our neighbors taxes are crazy here.
minimum wage is 6.00$
so its a big difference!

but I wouldnt want to live any where else than CANADA.

cause in CANADA we get to see them all!

hahahah keep fit and have fun

[scoomey]

does anyone here use audiogalaxy or napster before they got shut down.if stealing games is wrong so is music. i download music all the time and i would games too.

[Hugh_Jass]

I've downloaded music in order to preview the material. If I like the song I'll buy the CD. If I LOVE the song then I'll buy the entire catalog from the artist.

When record companies put copy-protection on CDs and actually prevent me from ripping CDs I purchased I will lose all incentive to buy CDs.

But you're right. Downloading music is stealing, too.