As a fan of the 2k series/espn I have to admit graphical style of Madden is a step back, but the animations I am seeing look so much better. The IGN review was enough to get Madden a new customer, I usually rent it and see how I like it. 04 was a shoot out almost every time, and now every site agrees that this version of Madden has the best engine seen to date on ANY football game. So I have to get it now. I love a lot of things about ESPN, presentation, menus, music, crib, etc. However 2k5 still lacks in the AI department, so I will get both and post up later on it.