The End Of Games On CD! M$ Rep Info...

[DOOM]

one of Microsoft's sales rep's was telling
us since dsl is becoming more wide
spread, because your getting 700 meg per sec on most
rates....

Soon Microsoft is going to run programs from
each software company. meaning no more CDs like adobe
photoshop,3ds Max, and so on...since connection will be
crazy in the near future. if you want Photoshop Or A Game you
will buy the license and run Photoshop from Microsoft's
server in real time. yes you will be able to save what
you do and work files on your pc.but no CD or
installing program in your own pc Or Game Console (XBOX2)!!!!!

So they are talking about running games straight from Microsoft
server. not sure how they will sell but its going to be
some sort of ip key.the guy said their server is
Called octopus.

SONY Is Having Similar Plans For Its PS3

I Think This Freaking SUXORS!
How Many People Will Be Put Of Work, No More Game Shops, No More Game
library's, No More Physical Games, No mres Game Shops To Chill Out In And Meet Other Gamers... And I Personally Will Be Put Out Of Work By This...
What A Bunch Of BULL CRAP!!!
If This Is The Future, I have enough games n systems,
i'll just play what I have and Screw em!

Looks Like The Reps Rite,
Check Out The Crap I Found About Sony's PS3:

Sony explains some neat features that will be packed into the PS3, including a hard drive and being able to be "intrinsically" linked to the PSX. The article also talks of broadband distribution of games too, by 2006.

Reeves spoke about Sony's "ultimate goal" for PlayStation 3 - "to get into electronic broadband distribution". By 2006, at which point Reeves says all Sony's current crop of hardware products should be available, the platform holder hopes we'll have always online access and viable broadband distribution. "It's going to have to be 2 or 3MB, something like that," he said. "Ken [Kutaragi]'s even talking about 30MB! And when it gets to that, then it is broadband distribution, and people then can just download whatever game they want. But it's got to be secure, and that's where DNAS [Sony's online security protocol] comes in."
LINK:
1.
http://www.firingsquad.com/news/news...?searchid=6401
2.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04..._talks_up_ps3/

Looks Like All Next Gen Consoles Are Doing This, This SUX!!!

[Ninjermy]

i think its stupid. i mean i think it will be so abused and ripped off like people getting ahold of others "ip numbers" and everyone will be able to rip everything off. having actual CD's is like actually OWNING the game. without it you no longer will have your own hardcopy! i also think this iz teh tOt@L /\/00B sUx0rz

[Chaotic]

700 meg per second Let's be a little realistic here that's totally way off base... Most DSL and Cable don't even come close to that speed so i'm not sure where you go that info from. Also about companies going to No CD's, I'll believe it when i see it. We are years away from anything of this nature... At least 10 years IMO.

[Fatnick]

yeah, i think the fastest connection you can get in the UK is 2mb i think. Mind you, it wasn't so long ago that the fastest was 500kb. It's a scary thought though...i mean, from the corporate point of view noone being able to own their own music, games, movies and software would be the ultimate way to prevent piracy.

[Casper]

There's no way in hell this will be happening for awhile. The lines aren't even close to giving that much bandwidth, nor does MS have control over enough connections to be able to do this - say a connection drops while you're working on a Word doc for work, you will not only lose the program, but the file you were working on as well.

I smell something and it's gotta be a turd

[Spaztic]

I will not buy any console that does this! Complete BS!

[LiquidX]

one of Microsoft's sales rep's was telling us

This is where I stoped believing it. Why would a sales rep know about this? And how many times have we heard from a guy who works in a game store that overheard a conversation that Halo 2 is coming out next week and that it will be multi-platform? Besides, the idea itself seems really far-fetched. MS isnt retarded, they know this would not work because people want the hard copies. Also, this idea sounds like it would make piracy easier and we all know how anti-piracy MS is...

[DOOM]

This Move Is Taking A Step Back, This Is Not Progress, This Is A Disaster...
Besides Being Put Out of A Job, I Wont Even Have The Games I Paid For...
Total, BS!
I Am A Store Owner, Game Collector, & Taking Away Hard Copies Of Games SUX! If I Buy It, I Want To Own It, Period!

[No Fear 23]

well, i want to see the link to the story.


right now it is just rumors....and im sure this prolly wont happen bc there will be millions of ppl agianst this stupid plan

[Carnage]

Hah! Imagine how expensive it would be to run fibre optic cabling to EVERY house in Canada/US.
Chaotic and Casper are right, we wont be seeing anything like this for years.

[DOOM]

Looks Like The Reps Rite,
Check Out The Crap I Found About Sony's PS3:

Sony explains some neat features that will be packed into the PS3, including a hard drive and being able to be "intrinsically" linked to the PSX. The article also talks of broadband distribution of games too, by 2006.

Reeves spoke about Sony's "ultimate goal" for PlayStation 3 - "to get into electronic broadband distribution". By 2006, at which point Reeves says all Sony's current crop of hardware products should be available, the platform holder hopes we'll have always online access and viable broadband distribution. "It's going to have to be 2 or 3MB, something like that," he said. "Ken [Kutaragi]'s even talking about 30MB! And when it gets to that, then it is broadband distribution, and people then can just download whatever game they want. But it's got to be secure, and that's where DNAS [Sony's online security protocol] comes in."
LINK:
1.
http://www.firingsquad.com/news/news...?searchid=6401
2.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04..._talks_up_ps3/

Looks Like All Next Gen Consoles Are Doing This, This SUX!!!

[Variation-XBA]

Why is Leo Back? :P

Either way, this won't happen for a LONG time, even if it was SOMEWHAT true.

Phantom is tryin the idea, it will flop.

Cable/dsl gets nowhere near 700k for the AVERAGE user. Yes I can get more, so can others, but many casual people dont, or care/know.

Even if it were true, ISP's wouldn't allow it for very long concidering the bandwidth that would be used over the time.

Your "rep" is a retard and should be fired, but thats assuming this is real "info" :P

[l Maximus l]

Why is Leo Back? :P

Either way, this won't happen for a LONG time, even if it was SOMEWHAT true.

Phantom is tryin the idea, it will flop.

Cable/dsl gets nowhere near 700k for the AVERAGE user. Yes I can get more, so can others, but many casual people dont, or care/know.

Even if it were true, ISP's wouldn't allow it for very long concidering the bandwidth that would be used over the time.

Your "rep" is a retard and should be fired, but thats assuming this is real "info" :P

lol, dude....no one is certain that the Phantom even exists

[Variation-XBA]

lol, dude....no one is certain that the Phantom even exists

Ok.... IF it does, and if it even somehow sells.... it'll flop... :P

[DOOM]

Why is Leo Back? :P

Either way, this won't happen for a LONG time, even if it was SOMEWHAT true.

Phantom is tryin the idea, it will flop.

Cable/dsl gets nowhere near 700k for the AVERAGE user. Yes I can get more, so can others, but many casual people dont, or care/know.

Even if it were true, ISP's wouldn't allow it for very long concidering the bandwidth that would be used over the time.

Your "rep" is a retard and should be fired, but thats assuming this is real "info" :P

Um, No I'm Not Leo, & My Rep Is Correct...
He Told Me About M$'s Plans & PS3 's Plans...
If You Look AtEarlier Posts, I Posted An Article About Thes Same Issue:

Looks Like The Reps Rite,
Check Out The Crap I Found About Sony's PS3:

Sony explains some neat features that will be packed into the PS3, including a hard drive and being able to be "intrinsically" linked to the PSX. The article also talks of broadband distribution of games too, by 2006.

Reeves spoke about Sony's "ultimate goal" for PlayStation 3 - "to get into electronic broadband distribution". By 2006, at which point Reeves says all Sony's current crop of hardware products should be available, the platform holder hopes we'll have always online access and viable broadband distribution. "It's going to have to be 2 or 3MB, something like that," he said. "Ken [Kutaragi]'s even talking about 30MB! And when it gets to that, then it is broadband distribution, and people then can just download whatever game they want. But it's got to be secure, and that's where DNAS [Sony's online security protocol] comes in."
LINK:
1.
http://www.firingsquad.com/news/news...?searchid=6401
2.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04..._talks_up_ps3/

Take Care...
& I Really Hope This Never Happens, Would Be Crap!

[Folgerboy]

The other thing to consider is that no one's said this will be the ONLY way software will be distributed to these consoles. It wouldn't be the first time games were distributed on different media for different requirements - remember the Sega Master system with cards and cartridges? - and any future consoles will likely still support a physical distribution method i.e. DVD or what have you. I mean, technically, even PS2 games are distributed in two different forms - CD-ROM (blue disc) for 700 mb and under, and DVD format for larger programs. We'll probably see some distribution model where games distributed by broadband transmission are offered at a lower price point to encourage gamers to adopt them, but I don't think it'll be forced on us. That sort of thing inspires too much resentment.

[GuiltySpark]

The other thing to consider is that no one's said this will be the ONLY way software will be distributed to these consoles. It wouldn't be the first time games were distributed on different media for different requirements - remember the Sega Master system with cards and cartridges? - and any future consoles will likely still support a physical distribution method i.e. DVD or what have you. I mean, technically, even PS2 games are distributed in two different forms - CD-ROM (blue disc) for 700 mb and under, and DVD format for larger programs. We'll probably see some distribution model where games distributed by broadband transmission are offered at a lower price point to encourage gamers to adopt them, but I don't think it'll be forced on us. That sort of thing inspires too much resentment.

This is true. It is a fact that america and most definately other countries are far away from having the majority of their country online with broadband. It would simply be unlogical of M$ or any other company to do this in the near future. This might be possible if it compatible with multiple sources of software.

Oh and yes the Phantom is real, where have you been? They had a playable system at a recent expo. You can expect to see more of it at E3. I think CGW had something about it a couple months ago. Very impressive system.... very original.... its too bad the world isn't ready for something of that magnitude.

[Reclaimer]

In an article I read awhile back in a Popular Mechanics, a Swedish research firm was able to develope a compression technology that allowed them to transfer a 800 meg file in just under a few seconds across the internet. The sender and recieve stations where a few miles away.
I'm not saying it's going to happen tomorrow, but the technology most certainly exists. But it will be years before it becomes mainstream. Years and years.
The Phantom is real as well, but I have my doubts on how well it's going to do this late in the next-gen wars, sporting a radical new media distrubution means.
Face it, people want a tangible CD or DVD to hold in their hands when they spend 50+ dollars (USD) for it. Nobody is going to put that much faith in their little game console that their 50 dollar download is safe and secure inside it, and that it will never get corrupted, or accidentally deleted or any other occurance or quirk that happens in every day computers, wether it was operator error or not.
I just doubt that they can replace the experience with going to the game store and throwing 50 bones on the counter and walking out with the game, and an instruction manual that you will inevitiably read for 30 min while sitting on the toilet taking a crap when you get home.
I further continue by stating that America is one of the least broadband connected countries in the global connectivity market. This would be a foolish venture to propose when your entire revenue is based on a US market of about 50% or less of people with broadband connections. This would make more sense if they just outlawed narrowband dial up all together. This is why the Phamtom is not going to do very well to begin with. Who's going to buy the games to download? The huge percentage of people still on dial up? Not a chance. So that's a ton of money you won't get.

[kenji]

This would suck really bad if it were true. I know I don't have a DSL or cable connection, so there is no way I'm going to be gaming.

It can't be true, so stop posting that article over and over again.

[ShannonX]

ah yeah, i can make a phantom console also. Its called designing a custom case and custom program and then putting a normal pc into the case. Thats all the phantom is, just another attempt at making money from fancy casing (alienware anybody?) The only thing different is that there is no optical drive and you have to get all your games from online. Heh yeah.


Speaking of high bandwidth, most cable companies in the united states dont have the infrastructure to run 10mbit connections and have a decent upload (512Kb/s minimum). You can tell this already where neighborhood nodes are vastly over populated and your internet crawls to a hault.

Dsl on the other hand doesn't have to worry about this, just at the CO or remote terminal. Of course, if your more than 9000 feet from the CO, good luck getting any type of "fast" connection. (as in faster than 3 - 4mbit download/s).

There is a dsl called vdsl which can hit 50mbit/s download speeds of course, the distance limitations are even more grealy increased. think 9000 feet from a CO or remote terminal is really short, well, with vdsl to get that full 50mbit potential, you have to be within 2000 feet or so, after than the drop off is horrific.

The only way your gonna get the type of speed necessary for this type of distribution is through gigabit fiber to the home or broadband over powerline (its still slower than most dsl connections now though although the potential for speed is in the hundreds of gigabits/s.)